did you know itaniums arent in the same market segment as opterons? at least thier itneded to be xeon alternatives, no matter what others might say about it. of course taht doesnt stop some from targeting itaniums market with opterons. also itaniums sell for alot more then opterons do, that is evidenced in how much intel's itanium revenue has gone up, it doenst take a huge number to create some real profit. It sounds like to me your just trying to take a shot at the opterons, but its like compariing apples to oranges, and they both can co exist in the market.
as far as Iwill being picke dup by fortune 500 companies, i never said they would, you put words in my mouth. Its just another sign of more makers getting on baord. Progress is always slow in these areas, but when over comapnies start seeing more of thier competition producing solutions, they will want to compete.
I mean look at serverworks, they will be releasing opteron solutions as well, another good step forward.
as far as Iwill being picke dup by fortune 500 companies, i never said they would, you put words in my mouth. Its just another sign of more makers getting on baord. Progress is always slow in these areas, but when over comapnies start seeing more of thier competition producing solutions, they will want to compete.
I mean look at serverworks, they will be releasing opteron solutions as well, another good step forward.
>You now that itanium systemes revenue stream have reach 10
>time the amount of opteron systemes.Itanium also have a
>much larger growth.
Oh juin, will you ever make a sensible post, in understandeable english, that is not flat out wrong or pointless... I fear odds are just as small as seeing you use url or quote tags.
Itanium outsold opteron by revenue by a factor <b>3</b> in Q1 of this year, hardly 10. Average cost of an Itanium procurement was $45,000 according to Garnter, and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out most of that sum goes into expensive disk arrays, memory and other kit, while Intel gets maybe 5% of that revenue at best. Not surprising when you sell the bulk of the systems into the >16way market in Altix and Superdomes.
Opteron OTOH outsold Itanium by a factor 5 by unit sales in the same period (both figures from Gartner), with an ASP of around $3.000 (which IMHO can't be right, that is too low even for Opteron's target market and with mainly 1/2 way systems available), of which AMD should get at the very least 20% on average, which means opteron chips generated considerably more revenue than Itanium in the first year of its existance, whereas Itanium will soon be half a decade old.
None of this is surprising, or shocking though, considering the vastly different markets and targets, but that doesnt mean your BS is correct.
As for growth.. big deal. i'll sell you one bag of P4man special strawberry flavour potato chips this quarter, and I'll sell my mom 2 next quarter, and guess what . HUNDRED PERCENT revenue growth. Surely that means I'll totally own the strawberry flavor potato chips market next year.
(Oh wait, i'd own it already with just one bag
)
>i need to change useur name.
No you don't. I'd recognise your posts with 99.999% percent certainty, no matter what name you'd pick. You don't need a new name, you need a clue, an english crash course, and you need to read to FAQ to learn to quote and use tags.
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>time the amount of opteron systemes.Itanium also have a
>much larger growth.
Oh juin, will you ever make a sensible post, in understandeable english, that is not flat out wrong or pointless... I fear odds are just as small as seeing you use url or quote tags.
Itanium outsold opteron by revenue by a factor <b>3</b> in Q1 of this year, hardly 10. Average cost of an Itanium procurement was $45,000 according to Garnter, and it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out most of that sum goes into expensive disk arrays, memory and other kit, while Intel gets maybe 5% of that revenue at best. Not surprising when you sell the bulk of the systems into the >16way market in Altix and Superdomes.
Opteron OTOH outsold Itanium by a factor 5 by unit sales in the same period (both figures from Gartner), with an ASP of around $3.000 (which IMHO can't be right, that is too low even for Opteron's target market and with mainly 1/2 way systems available), of which AMD should get at the very least 20% on average, which means opteron chips generated considerably more revenue than Itanium in the first year of its existance, whereas Itanium will soon be half a decade old.
None of this is surprising, or shocking though, considering the vastly different markets and targets, but that doesnt mean your BS is correct.
As for growth.. big deal. i'll sell you one bag of P4man special strawberry flavour potato chips this quarter, and I'll sell my mom 2 next quarter, and guess what . HUNDRED PERCENT revenue growth. Surely that means I'll totally own the strawberry flavor potato chips market next year.
(Oh wait, i'd own it already with just one bag
)>i need to change useur name.
No you don't. I'd recognise your posts with 99.999% percent certainty, no matter what name you'd pick. You don't need a new name, you need a clue, an english crash course, and you need to read to FAQ to learn to quote and use tags.
= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =
Those are blades.. not the same thing.
I think we'll have to wait for either sun or celestica to bring >4 way systems later this year, but frankly, there is still so much potential in the 1/2/4 way market for AMD, I can't believe they would care much for >4 way. By (cpu) unit sales, those markets are pretty much irrelevant. By system revenue they are very relevant, which is what matters to the oems, so Sun or whomever might be tempted to enter this market with opterons, but AMD doesnt sell systems, they sell mainly cpu's, so I don't expect them to make a lot of effort to get into that market as long as they have a potential 10 fold market share increase in a market that is maybe 100x bigger (again, cpu count, not system revenue).
= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =
I think we'll have to wait for either sun or celestica to bring >4 way systems later this year, but frankly, there is still so much potential in the 1/2/4 way market for AMD, I can't believe they would care much for >4 way. By (cpu) unit sales, those markets are pretty much irrelevant. By system revenue they are very relevant, which is what matters to the oems, so Sun or whomever might be tempted to enter this market with opterons, but AMD doesnt sell systems, they sell mainly cpu's, so I don't expect them to make a lot of effort to get into that market as long as they have a potential 10 fold market share increase in a market that is maybe 100x bigger (again, cpu count, not system revenue).
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>I don't see you using quote tags either, P4
Then you're not looking very carefully, since I always use the same quote tags that I have used for nearly twenty years since early BBS boards, and that have been standard on usenet, email and most bulletin boards for decades. it wastes much less screen estate that the fancy [ quote ], and isn't any less clear IMHO. Further more, it doesnt require me to use finger-breaking alt-gr combinations on my azerty keyoard
With juins replies you can only guess where the quote ends where his own post begins -though this is usually not all that hard to spot, since you'll notice the sudden near incomprehensible english and general cluelessness, but it still forces me to rescan the entire post, and I can't skip to his reply. Its not THAT hard to use ">" signs or [ quote ] if you prefer.
= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =
Then you're not looking very carefully, since I always use the same quote tags that I have used for nearly twenty years since early BBS boards, and that have been standard on usenet, email and most bulletin boards for decades. it wastes much less screen estate that the fancy [ quote ], and isn't any less clear IMHO. Further more, it doesnt require me to use finger-breaking alt-gr combinations on my azerty keyoard
With juins replies you can only guess where the quote ends where his own post begins -though this is usually not all that hard to spot, since you'll notice the sudden near incomprehensible english and general cluelessness, but it still forces me to rescan the entire post, and I can't skip to his reply. Its not THAT hard to use ">" signs or [ quote ] if you prefer.
= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =
Pffft. :tongue:
I was referring to HMTL tags, not '>'. Yes, I see them in email all the time, and they annoy the hell out of me.
At least you only use one... I hate getting forwarded emails that are loaded with them. One question though, why would you have to use alt-gr to use the HTML tags?
I agree with you on juin's posts. They are extremely difficult to read at times. He started using tags for a little while, but apparently he's gotten lazy again. :tongue:
<font color=red> If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it. </font color=red>
I was referring to HMTL tags, not '>'. Yes, I see them in email all the time, and they annoy the hell out of me.
At least you only use one... I hate getting forwarded emails that are loaded with them. One question though, why would you have to use alt-gr to use the HTML tags?
I agree with you on juin's posts. They are extremely difficult to read at times. He started using tags for a little while, but apparently he's gotten lazy again. :tongue:
<font color=red> If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it. </font color=red>
> Yes, I see them in email all the time, and they annoy the
>hell out of me.
I have yet to see a better way to clearly answer to different parts of a message, and seperating the quoted text from the response in a way that works everywhere (all browsers, all mail and news clients, ..). What annoys me is people that don't clean up the useless history so you end up with mails (or posts) with seventeen levels of ">>>>>>>". And HTML mail annoys me even more.
> One question though, why would you have to use alt-gr to
>use the HTML tags?
HTML doesn't use square tags (nor is there a "quote" tag in HTML) 😉.
But on azerty keyboards you need alt-gr to type square brackets [] while < and > have their own key right next to the shift, which is quite convenient if you use them a lot.
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>hell out of me.
I have yet to see a better way to clearly answer to different parts of a message, and seperating the quoted text from the response in a way that works everywhere (all browsers, all mail and news clients, ..). What annoys me is people that don't clean up the useless history so you end up with mails (or posts) with seventeen levels of ">>>>>>>". And HTML mail annoys me even more.
> One question though, why would you have to use alt-gr to
>use the HTML tags?
HTML doesn't use square tags (nor is there a "quote" tag in HTML) 😉.
But on azerty keyboards you need alt-gr to type square brackets [] while < and > have their own key right next to the shift, which is quite convenient if you use them a lot.
= The views stated herein are my personal views, and not necessarily the views of my wife. =
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