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> Any small time independent who goes out of business isn't going to have
> the same impact on a business *if* they supplied 100% compliant ATX
> systems.

I agree with this 🙂 I'm at a loss why they use propriatary parts. Unless
it's for cost saving.

Rob.
 
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So big names are immune to this then?
There are less of them. Most have crashed / been taken over / merged out of
existence.

Once there was the BUNCH. Burrows, Univac, NCR, Honeywell. Then IBM...
I haven't heard of Facom or Amdahl for yonks...
Oh, don't forget DEC, Compaq, Gateway made a big flop - is it still going?
Micron... Some names are different in other countries.

It depends on what you want, what you need, how much you are willing to pay,
where you are, service level you require, *toungue in cheek* how ignorant
you are, and what is available.


"Gama Chameleon" <richcatard.halfcatord@ulcat.thacatlesgroup.catcom> wrote
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> On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:07:33 GMT, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>
>>While you can argue that Dell does not provide the same value as your
>>self-built system in your experience, many of us, with far more
>>experience with far more vendors, can assure you that Dell (and the
>>others) do offer more value than your seeing on your end.
>
> One also very important point is that unlike quite a few mom and pop
> outfits, they are not going to go out of business the following year
> either due to not being financially viable or doing the old close down
> and open under a new name loop hole (leaving you in the lurch).
>
> Round here I've seem small operations come and go on a yearly basis.
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In article <crj0ik$o2n$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>, me@spam.com says...
> Once there was the BUNCH. Burrows, Univac, NCR, Honeywell. Then IBM...
> I haven't heard of Facom or Amdahl for yonks...
> Oh, don't forget DEC, Compaq, Gateway made a big flop - is it still going?
> Micron... Some names are different in other countries.

And you could get support for those companies for years after they
merged or closed. I know for a fact that Burrows (which merged with
Sperry to become Unisys - which my wife worked for during my time time
in the Navy) provided support via Unisys after the merger. The same for
NCR and Homeywell... IBM is still around. DEC was still providing
support years after, same with Compaq, Gateway, and Micron. Micron,
while not producing PC's under their name any more still has support
under the new company....



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I agree with Mr Bronson - build your own and the you know exactly what is in
it.

Dell used to make decent quality machines but there was still a lot of Dell
customisation which left few options for upgrading. But now they are turning
out cheap junk.

As my Dad always used to say "You only get what you pay for"....


"Charles Bronson" <charlesbronson@deathwish.zzn.com> wrote in message
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> If you want a GOOD computer, assembly one your own.
> If you want a regular generic computer with low life spam, buy one from
> dell or compac or any damn griffe.
>
> "Lem" <z@mail.com> escreveu na mensagem
> news:95D3C039A8FB6D5E712@130.133.1.4...
>> Do all Dell PCs (for the UK market) come with Dell's own
>> motherboards?
>>
>> I am thinking of getting a Dell but I don't want to find that it uses
>> a Dell proprietary motherboard that may have little technical data
>> available.
>>
>> ISTR hearing that Dell used a non-standad wiring on the 20 or 24 pin
>> mobo power connector. And I imagine there may be several other Dell
>> quirks.
>>
>
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I worked on a 386 sx (?) for a while. Had a 8085 running CPM 1 in about 1981
with a whopping 5mb HDD and 64 kb ram. But then the mainframe I worked on
(which was huge) had 16mb ram, 2 processors, paper tape, punched cards, 14
tape decks, 28 HDD's (biggest was 600MB), etc...

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>
>>Gosh I remember the day of ISA graphics cards and you could watch windows
>>draw the drop list of a combo box so sloooowly.
>
> I still have an early Windows video performance test program named WinTach
> (1992 from Texas Instruments) which measured speed of drawing real world
> test
> screens from Word, Excel, CAD and Paint software. Its result compared
> speed
> to a 20 MHz 386 with standard VGA video. We got real excited when new 486
> 50
> MHz systems with 8 bit ATI video got 20x and 40x ratings.
>
> My AMD 3500+ with Matrox G550(4x AGP) gets 2000x and 4000x numbers on it
> 🙂
>
> I dont know how todays hotrod 3D cards might do, but we've come a long
> way.
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do a google. it is commonly (sort of) known. I read it a few weeks ago
somewhere out there ===>

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> "Rob Stow" <rob.stow.nospam@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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>
>> While placing that order it was confirmed by Dell
>> that both the new and the old PSU did not have
>> standard ATX connections.
>
> That is certainly my understanding, but I have never actually checked
> myself. The wires are in a different order. Out of interest, how difficult
> would it be to disassemble the ATX connector of a standard PSU and put the
> wires into the order required by Dell?
>
> I've got a cheapo PSU here that I've been fiddling with. I can't get the
> little connector pins out of the ATX connector block. Is there a knack to
> this, or are they intended to stay in forever?
>
> Do you remember how many of the wires are different? My understanding was
> that it was just a couple of wires that were swapped over. If it's only
> two, I guess that it would be possible to cut the wires and splice them
> back together in the right order.
>
> Geoff
>
>
 
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yes and your seagate drive from your local builder has a 5 year warrantee,
but the dell non seagate drive won't.

Big Names provide post warrantee / contract support for a [big] fee.


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> In article <crj0ik$o2n$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>, me@spam.com says...
>> Once there was the BUNCH. Burrows, Univac, NCR, Honeywell. Then IBM...
>> I haven't heard of Facom or Amdahl for yonks...
>> Oh, don't forget DEC, Compaq, Gateway made a big flop - is it still
>> going?
>> Micron... Some names are different in other countries.
>
> And you could get support for those companies for years after they
> merged or closed. I know for a fact that Burrows (which merged with
> Sperry to become Unisys - which my wife worked for during my time time
> in the Navy) provided support via Unisys after the merger. The same for
> NCR and Homeywell... IBM is still around. DEC was still providing
> support years after, same with Compaq, Gateway, and Micron. Micron,
> while not producing PC's under their name any more still has support
> under the new company....
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In article <crjdac$d0$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>, me@spam.com says...
> yes and your seagate drive from your local builder has a 5 year warrantee,
> but the dell non seagate drive won't.

I get three years (as is common in the US on many retail products) for
all the parts in the Dell's we purchased.

> Big Names provide post warrantee / contract support for a [big] fee.

Not as big a cost as you might "Think", when you consider the cost of
not having a support contract, even for home users.


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a short run vendor specific board for a sony or dell (asus has supplied
mobos for both) are not as good as "retail" boards. 100,000 mobos is a short
run for a company that makes over 30,000,000 p/a. No offemce to asus - they
make under contract.

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <MPG.1c4723b525e8397d989f03@news.individual.net>,
> tx2newscollection@hotmail.com says...
>> In article <dmvpt0t8bf3t5fcp5jb1qpneuqag1c87ra@4ax.com>,
>> richcatard.halfcatord@ulcat.thacatlesgroup.catcom, a.k.a Gama Chameleon
>> says...
>>
>> > One also very important point is that unlike quite a few mom and pop
>> > outfits, they are not going to go out of business the following year
>> > either due to not being financially viable or doing the old close down
>> > and open under a new name loop hole (leaving you in the lurch).
>>
>> Of course, again, you forget that a self-build PC is usually built from
>> off-the-shelf parts, and as such is very easily maintained.
>
> And neither are the majority of the parts in most of the large vendor
> systems. Most of the parts are the same off-the-shelf parts you would
> get anywhere. Vaio, E-Machines, Dell, Compaq, HP, etc... The only hard
> thing about getting parts on those it getting a power-supply, their
> cases support standard hard-drives, cd-rom drives, even standard
> floppies.
>
>> Tiny were a PC manufacturer who went bust and left a lot of people in
>> the lurch due to the use of proprietary parts.
>>
>> Any small time independent who goes out of business isn't going to have
>> the same impact on a business *if* they supplied 100% compliant ATX
>> systems.
>
> But the point was the small business user or the home user - so a small
> shop going out of business is going to have an impact on 100% of the
> customers that purchased from them that are looking for Warranty
> replacement of that compliant ATX power supply.
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In article <crjdgj$jg$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>, me@spam.com says...
> a short run vendor specific board for a sony or dell (asus has supplied
> mobos for both) are not as good as "retail" boards. 100,000 mobos is a short
> run for a company that makes over 30,000,000 p/a. No offemce to asus - they
> make under contract.

Do you honestly think that ASUS compromised it's quality for Dell? No,
more likely that Dell looked at a specific production board and asked
ASUS to maintain a certain level of compliance for a specific time
period.

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Nick Zentena wrote:
> Courseyauto <courseyauto@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>last time i looked Dell had brand name parts inside, Intel motherboard (by
>>Asus),Intel CPU by Intel, samsung memory,ATI video,WD hard drives,samsung DVD
>>Rom, turtle beach sound card. Same stuff you buy at NEW EGG. DOUG
>
>
>
> Are you sure of that? Or do they have custom OEM versions? If Dell wants a
> product that costs a couple of dollars less but leaves out some minor
> features they've got the volume.
>
> Nick

The only part I'm aware of on current Dell systems that can't be
(easily) replaced with standard parts is the motherboard - the front
panel controls connector has a nonstandard pinout. It's been reverse
engineered and it's likely possible to figure out the right connections
or make up an adapter, but it wouldn't be "plug and play". Also I think
some of the systems have motherboards with a slightly nonstandard shape..

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In article <YVhDd.161$665.19@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
rob.nicholson@nospam_unforgettable.com, a.k.a Rob Nicholson says...

> > How many mom and pop shops offer 24/7/365 phone support?
>
> I feel I do sometimes!


What are "mom and pop shops"?
 
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Short answer "Yes". They are made to contract - specs are frozen at a point
in time while the base design gets improved across revisions or there is no
cost cutting on mounted components for retail as they are competing on specs
/ facilities in the retail sector. Just take a look at the bios (also under
contract) and update availability for oem mobo's. There is a much shorter
bios life time. Take a look at the P2B variants produced for Dell and Sony
as examples. P2B had many rev's - how many did Dell implement?

The fact that many asus supplied dell mobos that had the psu cludge proves
the point... how many of these mobo's got blown up by plugging in standard
psu's when the dell psu failed? where was the warning sticker? who owns the
product when it is paid for? I hear it is happening again...

Personally, out of all the supplier they have supplied better consistncy
than many others and in a large environment they would be on my shopping
list. For small / medium, it would depend on many factors. As soon as you
get out of a large city, the Big Names cease to have meaning as either they
(or reps) are not where you are and time to get on site > 4 hours may be
unacceptable (servers). HP / Compaq / Digital has always failed on this
front. IBM was always yes - for a very large fee.



"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <crjdgj$jg$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>, me@spam.com says...
>> a short run vendor specific board for a sony or dell (asus has supplied
>> mobos for both) are not as good as "retail" boards. 100,000 mobos is a
>> short
>> run for a company that makes over 30,000,000 p/a. No offemce to asus -
>> they
>> make under contract.
>
> Do you honestly think that ASUS compromised it's quality for Dell? No,
> more likely that Dell looked at a specific production board and asked
> ASUS to maintain a certain level of compliance for a specific time
> period.
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In article <crk611$iur$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>, me@spam.com says...
> The fact that many asus supplied dell mobos that had the psu cludge proves
> the point... how many of these mobo's got blown up by plugging in standard
> psu's when the dell psu failed? where was the warning sticker? who owns the
> product when it is paid for? I hear it is happening again...

I have a number of Dell's that have the non-standard ATX power
connector. I tried several times to replace the PSU with a standard ATX
unit and noticed that it didn't work. No damage to the motherboard or
the PSU. I called Dell about it and was told it's a non-standard PSU. I
ordered a Dell replacement for $65 and was done with it.

A quick search on google shows at least 20 companies that many a large
number of ATX to non-standard ATX (for more than just Dell) PSU cable
adapters.

There is still a large value to customers, home users, purchasing
computers from Volume Retail outlets, even if you don't accept it
yourself.

Would I purchase a Retail system for my own use - yes and no. About 2
years ago I needed a P4 for some .Net development work and my other
systems were tied up (this was for my home), so I bought a Sony VAIO at
Best Buy (retail outlet), it was cheaper and quicker than getting time
to spec/order/deliver/assy a system by my normal self-build means. I use
the same system to this day - they have a non-standard PSU size, but 5
minutes with a dremal tool and I installed a 480W standard ATX PSU in
it. I also replaced the video card with a dual-port video card, replaced
the DVD-RW drive (which has a custom bezel) with a standard DVD+/-RW
drive (the case had removable parts that made a standard drive work
fine. I even installed an IDE RAID controller card in the system and
dual 250GB SATA drives.

So, while it's still a 1.8g P4 without Hyper-Threading, it still works
quite well and has been expanded to meet all my home needs.

The same is true with several of those Dell units. With the exception of
the PSU connector, they all take normal drives (Hard, CD, etc...), new
video cards, new sound cards, more memory (unless you maxed it out when
you bought it) and even faster CPU's.

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In article <MPG.1c485dad7cc516f5989f0c@news.individual.net>,
tx2newscollection@hotmail.com says...
> In article <YVhDd.161$665.19@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net>,
> rob.nicholson@nospam_unforgettable.com, a.k.a Rob Nicholson says...
>
> > > How many mom and pop shops offer 24/7/365 phone support?
> >
> > I feel I do sometimes!
>
>
> What are "mom and pop shops"?

Places that only have 1 or 2 stores to their name.

You could also consider a chain of stores that's only present in a
single city/town a mom and pop organization.

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> Are you sure of that? Or do they have custom OEM versions? If Dell wants a
> product that costs a couple of dollars less but leaves out some minor
> features they've got the volume.
>
> Nick

The only part I'm aware of on current Dell systems that can't be
(easily) replaced with standard parts is the motherboard - the front
>panel controls connector has a nonstandard pinout. It's been reverse
engineered and it's likely possible to figure out the right connections
>or make up an adapter, but it wouldn't be "plug and play". Also I think
some of the systems have motherboards with a slightly nonstandard >shape..

The motherboard was propriotary,it was attacthed with clips rather than
screws,but everything was std parts.
 
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In article <MPG.1c483f74945b0e55989e1f@news-server.columbus.rr.com>,
void@nowhere.lan, a.k.a Leythos says...

> In article <MPG.1c485dad7cc516f5989f0c@news.individual.net>,
> tx2newscollection@hotmail.com says...

> > What are "mom and pop shops"?
>
> Places that only have 1 or 2 stores to their name.
>
> You could also consider a chain of stores that's only present in a
> single city/town a mom and pop organization

OK, thanks.
 
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Howdy!

"Rob Stow" <rob.stow.nospam@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Robert Hancock wrote:

> > They don't make their own boards, but they do have boards made for them
> > (usually by Intel)
>
> Intel hasn't made a motherboard for about 6 years now !

*blink* Funny, this 3.2G Dell P4 with the Intel logo'ed board is a
bit newer than 6 years old. (Not the machine I'm on - the one with the
knackered 120G drive in it)

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Ralph Wade Phillips wrote:
> Howdy!
>
> "Rob Stow" <rob.stow.nospam@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> news:xRmCd.683192$nl.106222@pd7tw3no...
>
>>Robert Hancock wrote:
>
>
>>>They don't make their own boards, but they do have boards made for them
>>>(usually by Intel)
>>
>>Intel hasn't made a motherboard for about 6 years now !
>
>
> *blink* Funny, this 3.2G Dell P4 with the Intel logo'ed board is a
> bit newer than 6 years old. (Not the machine I'm on - the one with the
> knackered 120G drive in it)
>

The logo says nothing about who manufactured it.
It is quite common for one company to rebadge a product
that they had contracted out to someone else.

See if you can find something on the board about where
it was made, then see if you can find an Intel plant
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On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:08:02 +0000, Rob Nicholson wrote:

>>20% for not being able to support them *properly* when the machine goes
>>down is worth it is it?
>
> Dell kit is incredibly reliable mainly because you don't mess around with
> it. The only Dell hardware we've had fail is a CD-ROM and video output from
> one laptop. Compared to the Compaq iPAQ that litereraly blew up, the custom
> built Gigabyte system that decided to stop working with WD hard disk and
> won't run through the KVM, the 3 Toshiba laptops that have developed several
> faults etc...
>
> If one of the Dell base units failed, we wouldn't bother trying to fix it.
> We'd simply buy a new base unit for ~£200. £200 doesn't buy you a lot of
> "fixing" time and you'll have a nice new higher-spec box anyway.
>

Surely that would depend on what blew. If a hard drive, optical unit
etc. goes then you just order up random new hard disk and stick it in.
Fans might be more tricky as they use blowers on at least the small
desktop chassis, but the mini towers use normal fans. Generally speaking
motherboards are not something that go frequently.

You do have to be careful with the upgrades. Last time I checked (just
before Christmas) a dual layer DVD writer upgrade was something like
£99+VAT, and it only does +R disks, and a CDRW/DVD combo unit was
about £37+VAT. I always get my own separately and fit it myself, takes
about 5 minutes and saves a bundle.

JAB.

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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:25:40 +0000, Rob Nicholson wrote:

>> Any small time independent who goes out of business isn't going to have
>> the same impact on a business *if* they supplied 100% compliant ATX
>> systems.
>
> I agree with this 🙂 I'm at a loss why they use propriatary parts. Unless
> it's for cost saving.
>

Because they offer something different. Tell me how you propose to
build a system like a small desktop chassis Optiplex with standard
parts, in a screwless chassis? You are not.

Dell are sufficiently large that they can do their own case/form
factors which allows them to do things not possible (or easy/cheap)
if you are trying to conform to the ATX specification.

JAB.

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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:47:47 +1300, Mercury wrote:

> 2d graphics: The best PCI is up with average AGP.
> 3d graphics: AGP by leaps and bounds.
>
> Good PCI graphics is hard to come by.
> Gosh I remember the day of ISA graphics cards and you could watch windows
> draw the drop list of a combo box so sloooowly.
>
> Chances are the onboard graphic would be good for 2d and it would be
> expensive to find a PCI card better at 2d. 3d dunno.
>

It is only now that these flash 3D graphics cards have the
performance of the old Matrox Millenium II on a PCI card
for 2D stuff. The performance of WRAM was still is amazing.
You also get a much better picture with those old Matrox
cards than you do with these modern 3D cards. The RAMDAC
quality is really outstanding. A really good 2D card is a
Millenium II in it's ultra rare AGP configuration.


JAB.

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Northumberland, United Kingdom. Tel: +44 1661-832195
 
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Jonathan Buzzard wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:47:47 +1300, Mercury wrote:
>
>
>>2d graphics: The best PCI is up with average AGP.
>>3d graphics: AGP by leaps and bounds.
>>
>>Good PCI graphics is hard to come by.
>>Gosh I remember the day of ISA graphics cards and you could watch windows
>>draw the drop list of a combo box so sloooowly.
>>
>>Chances are the onboard graphic would be good for 2d and it would be
>>expensive to find a PCI card better at 2d. 3d dunno.
>>
>
>
> It is only now that these flash 3D graphics cards have the
> performance of the old Matrox Millenium II on a PCI card
> for 2D stuff. The performance of WRAM was still is amazing.
> You also get a much better picture with those old Matrox
> cards than you do with these modern 3D cards. The RAMDAC
> quality is really outstanding. A really good 2D card is a
> Millenium II in it's ultra rare AGP configuration.
>

I second that. I have solved headache and eye strain
problems for a lot of people by switching them over
from an nVidia or ATI card or integrated video to a
Matrox card. Even a PCI version is more than good
enough when you don't need 3D.

In addition to the Millenium II, I would also recommend
the G400, G450, G550, P650, P750, and Parhelia.

I find the quality improvement is impossible to see if
your current video card is providing DVI output to a
DVI LCD, but if your monitor needs an analog input then
Matrox is the only way to go when quality 2D is needed.
 
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Dell, Compac, e-machines all DO NOT allow you to change Motherboards in
their machines... They want you to buy DELL etc. Parts. If you want, go to
a computer show in your area and buy case, PS, MoBo, etc and put your own
together.

kk

"Lem" <z@mail.com> wrote in message news:95D3C039A8FB6D5E712@130.133.1.4...
> Do all Dell PCs (for the UK market) come with Dell's own
> motherboards?
>
> I am thinking of getting a Dell but I don't want to find that it uses
> a Dell proprietary motherboard that may have little technical data
> available.
>
> ISTR hearing that Dell used a non-standad wiring on the 20 or 24 pin
> mobo power connector. And I imagine there may be several other Dell
> quirks.
>
 
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My wife bought a CompUSA system at a yard sale that had a case exactly like
a Dell that I bought about 4 years ago. When it booted it showed a CompUSA
Logo on the boot screen. I was going to remove all the parts for use on
other systems that I play with but when I got into it I was able to reflash
the bios with the original Intel bios for that board and cleaned it up and
it works like a charm for my grandaughter in college. I took my old Dell
case and installed an ABit KR7A-133R in it and it works like a charm. I did
have to upgrade the Power supply with a little modification to the case.


"Kaptain Krunch" <captainkrunch@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:BqydnfASD8_nr7_fRVn-1w@comcast.com...
> Dell, Compac, e-machines all DO NOT allow you to change Motherboards in
> their machines... They want you to buy DELL etc. Parts. If you want, go
> to
> a computer show in your area and buy case, PS, MoBo, etc and put your own
> together.
>
> kk
>
> "Lem" <z@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:95D3C039A8FB6D5E712@130.133.1.4...
>> Do all Dell PCs (for the UK market) come with Dell's own
>> motherboards?
>>
>> I am thinking of getting a Dell but I don't want to find that it uses
>> a Dell proprietary motherboard that may have little technical data
>> available.
>>
>> ISTR hearing that Dell used a non-standad wiring on the 20 or 24 pin
>> mobo power connector. And I imagine there may be several other Dell
>> quirks.
>>
>
>
 
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