Does PSU Load Affect its Lifespan??

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Will having a PSU that is only being used at 15% - 30% of its maximum wattage last longer than a PSU that is being used at 50% - 80% of its maximum wattage? *Assuming it is the same PSU quality, and same amount of time being used* Also, by how much does it affect its lifespan? Thanks!
 
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Phenomenal question. Did you know you're my second favorite user on this forum?

Anyway that answer is that it depends on the exact PSU, and the real answer goes in contrast to what popular belief is. So here is what popular belief is:

If you have a computer with, say for exemplary purposes, 425W of load when gaming, and you have two power supplies: a 450W and and 750W, both based off the same platform (this is important, since they are similar), the 750W power supply will last longer. What would be the general reasons to support this? Intuition says:

-) It has "more beefy components". What does this mean? Well, higher wattage units have higher rated bridge rectifiers, rectifiers, switching transistors, and transformers. This...
No. Other things will, like dust and heat. I fyou don;t push it past it's max you will not affect it's lifespan.
You will, however, make it's fan run faster and that may reduce just teh fan's lifespan. And the fan is usually teh first to go in a properly used good quality PSU barring electrical accident from teh mains.
 


So, what you're saying is it won't wear out the capacitors or anything? Just the PSU fan?
 


Yes. So long as you never exceed it's wattage and it remains cool and relatively dust free.
 
The load on a PSU won't wear out capacitors, provided you're running it within spec and it's good quality to begin with.
A lot of quality PSUs can actually operate beyond their rated output - doing that for any extended period of time certainly has the potential to impact the lifespan.

Everything will degrade in time. A quality PSU should reasonably be expected to last to it's warranty period (quality built PSUs generally have a 7-10 year warranty). Lower quality units, their warranty isn't an indication of anything, unfortunately.

It's been covered off already, but a fan in a PSU running at high loads will likely wear out (in theory) faster than one operating at lower loads - so, depending on how you look at it, it may feasibly impact it's lifespan.
 
that's not entirely true. running a psu at max or near max levels for long periods will certainly effect it's lifespan. it will run warmer which will of course effect the fan as well as the internals of the psu. heat is the enemy of a psu and high loads equals higher heat.

generally you want to shoot for no more than 80-85% of the psu's power ratings at full load. more than that and you will shorten it's lifespan. by how much is hard to say as there are other factors involved.

but if you are designing a system calculate power needs and then chose a psu that stays at or below the recommended 80-85% usage range.

if you need some help computing the power needs i can easily offer some help there :) just post the system specs and it's rather easy to figure out
 


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($117.89 @ B&H)
Motherboard: MSI H110M Gaming Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($51.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($59.99 @ Corsair)
Storage: A-Data Premier SP550 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($61.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 460 4GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card ($99.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool KENDOMEN Red ATX Mid Tower Case ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Other: Windows 10 Home ($29.20)
Total: $513.01
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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750 is overkill and that's not the best quality PSu in teh world.

Go with this, as it's more tahn enough:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($117.89 @ B&H)
Motherboard: MSI H110M Gaming Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($51.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($59.99 @ Corsair)
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.54 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 460 4GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card ($99.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Deepcool KENDOMEN Red ATX Mid Tower Case ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($33.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $485.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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cpu = 51w
gpu = 105w (torture load)
a very high estimate for the rest of the system would be another 150w. so at most (and this is a high figure on purpose) the system is looking at about 300w at full torture load. so the 750w psu would be some major overkill for sure. i'm guessing this is the reason for the question :)

a 450w psu would be more than enough power for the system. looking at prices and features, this would be a good choice for price and wattage.

corsair 450w CXM would be ample for the system and rather cheap as well

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na
 




Here is my issue with that: I have had multiple people tell me that the CX and CXM are not good PSUs, and that the B2 is much better. If I were to buy a decent 350 - 450 watt PSU, it would cost between $40 and $55 (as well as being non modular). The EVGA 750W B2 has PLENTY of wattage, is semi-modular, has a 5 year warranty, japanese capacitors, and has great reviews. It is on sale for just $50.
 


Oh, and 105w torture load is impossible (i think). The GPU doesn't require external power, and the PCI-E slot is only capable of 75 watts. So, I think a torture load would be even less, lol.
 
the older CXM models were a bit lacking but the newer ones they just released are very good for the money. the evga B2 is a great psu as well for sure but the CXM is hard to beat now for the money. here is the 650w version reviewed here a week ago. the 450w model is just as good as this one.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-cx650m-psu,4770.html

as for the torture load, i goofed there :) thought the windforce was one with a 6-pin as well so i used the numbers from the asus strix card. but you are right it should not use more than 75-80w from the mobo even at torture load since that's all the mobo can give. this only makes the power needs less and makes the 750w psu that much more overkill.

it is a great psu but just so overkill it's silly for your system.
 


That was true of teh old CX and CXMs, with teh green labels. Tehse new silver labeled ones are good and also semi-modular.
Also, like ai said, the B2 is not teh best SPu out there. But hey, it's your money :)

Good:
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Bad:
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Thanks for clearing up the difference between the two. :)
 


I said I was told that the Corsair CX were not good (Now I realize that the old greens are bad, but new silvers are good). And I thought the GPU required 6 pin connectors when I bought it, but further research proves it doesn't. You're not the only one.
 
Phenomenal question. Did you know you're my second favorite user on this forum?

Anyway that answer is that it depends on the exact PSU, and the real answer goes in contrast to what popular belief is. So here is what popular belief is:

If you have a computer with, say for exemplary purposes, 425W of load when gaming, and you have two power supplies: a 450W and and 750W, both based off the same platform (this is important, since they are similar), the 750W power supply will last longer. What would be the general reasons to support this? Intuition says:

-) It has "more beefy components". What does this mean? Well, higher wattage units have higher rated bridge rectifiers, rectifiers, switching transistors, and transformers. This argument can fall short, though, because frankly these are lesser likely to fail compared to other components of the power supply like capacitors and the fan.
-) It is more efficient at 425W load compared to the 450W PSU. This means less waste heat. This is true and probably the most important factor for why such a unit, if it does, would last longer compared to its 450W counterpart.

Now here is the real response:

If you have a computer with, say for exemplary purposes, 425W of load when gaming, and you have two power supplies: a 450W and and 750W, both based off the same platform (this is important, since they are similar), it cannot be determined which will last longer. What would be the general reasons to support this?

-) Fan profile. While the 750W unit will have less waste heat, its fan might be spinning slower than that of the 450W unit since its bridge rectifiers, switchers, transformers, etc. can take more heat. But you know what the slower-spinning fan does harm? Capacitors. Heat hurts capacitors. So while a 750W unit has less waste heat, the 450W unit's fan may actually be exhausting more heat and leaving the capacitors cooler.
-) Specifics of the design, too far for any of us or a reviewer to really understand fully. Power supplies are really complex, designed in large groups. It's hard to just make assumptions, even if it seems natural.

Now here is the reality:

In most cases, yeah, probably the 750W unit will last longer (but we can't be sure, the 450W unit might last longer). But the thing is, the 750W unit probably costs 50% more than the 450W unit. Now here is the question. Will that 750W unit last more than 50% the life of the 450W unit? I reckon not. I doubt it. I think money is better invested into an even better 450W unit in this case. If I can choose between a very good 750W unit or a phenomenal 450W unit for the same price, I would choose the 450W unit. This is because part of the money that goes into the 750W unit is for things that your computer won't make use of - a larger bulk capacitor for better holdup times, higher rated rectifiers, switchers, etc. Whereas the "phenomenal 450W unit" will have money put into stuff that will probably benefit you more, which could be a whole variety of things.

I think buying the higher wattage unit is silly because it is accommodating for something where money was even spent for that won't be made into use. It's like making a train meant for carrying a few people with 100 seats. Whereas, you can build a golden train with TVs in front of the toilets and accommodate 10 people. In the end, the latter is the better train. This is why I always believe in sort of living on the brink a little with power supplies - but to accommodate for that higher load percentage by just getting a really good power supply, which does not have anything to do with that wattage number on the label.

And I feel like I just conveyed literally everything that's been on my mind for weeks into the perfect words. This was good.
 
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sorry was responding to this statement.



true it has been replaced with the better g2/p2/t2 and even the GS model but it was top of the line when it was released and still a very solid psu. you did not read wrong. it's just too much for your system.
 
Thank you all for the amazing answers and help! You were all great, but ill have to give best answer to turkey3_scratch's beacause it was the most comprehensive, and helpful. Thanks!