Does this build have value and performance?

[lanson.noah]

hey guys,
i am thinking of starting a new build with the following specs

GPU - Gainward Pheonix GTX 1070
Mobo - MSI tomohawk b350
CPU - Ryzen 5 2600
RAM - 2x8gb G.Skill
PSU - 600w
Case - NZXT

I bought the gpu on ebay for $400 which was a great pickup i think.
How will the PC perform on games and is it good value?

 

[tejayd]

Yes. That's a very reasonable build.

 

[nobspls]

If you don't mind the video card being gimped by ryzen, then it is fine. To date the ryzen's are really only good up to GTX1060s. If you want to get to that last 5-10% from the GPU you'll need to go Intel.

 

[Aeacus]

When it comes to gaming and web browsing, Intel CPUs are better since they have much better single- and quad-core performance. Web browsing uses only one core while most of the games use up to 4 cores. Though, Ryzen CPUs have good multi-core performance and they are best suited as workstation builds (e.g video rendering).
R5 2600 vs i5-8600K comparison: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-2600-vs-Intel-Core-i5-8600K/3955vs3941

When it comes to the value (price to performance ratio), i5-8600K is at 5th position while R5 2600 is at 23rd position, making Core i5 having much more value over that Ryzen chip,
source (arrange CPU list by Value): http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/

Here's builds comparison as well, R5 2600 as a base and Core i5 as an alternative, rest the components are same:
Userbenchmark PC Build Comparison

Baseline Bench: Game 91%, Desk 65%, Work 68%
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1070
HDD: WD Blue 1TB (2012)
RAM: G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4 3000 C15 2x8GB

Alternative Bench: Game 96%, Desk 75%, Work 65%
CPU: Intel Core i5-8600K
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1070
HDD: WD Blue 1TB (2012)
RAM: G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4 3000 C15 2x8GB

Another bonus what Intel CPUs have is that they have built-in graphics and when your GPU happens to die, you can use on-board graphics to continue using your PC until you'll get new dedicated GPU. With AMD builds, Ryzen CPUs doesn't have built-in graphics in them and when your dedicated GPU dies, your whole PC is dead in the water until you'll get replacement GPU.

To put it short:
office PC - Intel
gaming PC - Intel
workstation PC - AMD

 

[Rexper]

What exact power supply is that?

 

[ohenryy]

Get a X470 motherboard, otherwise your new Ryzen wont boost as much / not as much performance.
The X470 SLI is not as cheap but for the price it's a good value.

 

[Aeacus]

While X470 chipset MoBo could offer a tiny bit better performance over B350 chipset MoBo, the performance wouldn't be the main thing why to go with X470 chipset MoBo.

What would be main thing is that B350 chipset MoBo needs to have BIOS that will support 2nd gen Ryzen CPUs. If it doesn't have BIOS that supports 2nd gen Ryzen chips, you'll need to update the BIOS. And to do that, you'll need 1st gen Ryzen chip.

For MSI B350 Tomahawk MoBo, it's BIOS must be version 7A34v1C with release date of 2018-01-29 or newer BIOS. If it has older BIOS than that, your system won't POST.

 

[lanson.noah]

When it comes to gaming and web browsing, Intel CPUs are better since they have much better single- and quad-core performance. Web browsing uses only one core while most of the games use up to 4 cores. Though, Ryzen CPUs have good multi-core performance and they are best suited as workstation builds (e.g video rendering).
R5 2600 vs i5-8600K comparison: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-2600-vs-Intel-Core-i5-8600K/3955vs3941

When it comes to the value (price to performance ratio), i5-8600K is at 5th position while R5 2600 is at 23rd position, making Core i5 having much more value over that Ryzen chip,
source (arrange CPU list by Value): http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/

Here's builds comparison as well, R5 2600 as a base and Core i5 as an alternative, rest the components are same:
Userbenchmark PC Build Comparison

Baseline Bench: Game 91%, Desk 65%, Work 68%
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1070
HDD: WD Blue 1TB (2012)
RAM: G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4 3000 C15 2x8GB

Alternative Bench: Game 96%, Desk 75%, Work 65%
CPU: Intel Core i5-8600K
GPU: Nvidia GTX 1070
HDD: WD Blue 1TB (2012)
RAM: G.SKILL Trident Z DDR4 3000 C15 2x8GB

Another bonus what Intel CPUs have is that they have built-in graphics and when your GPU happens to die, you can use on-board graphics to continue using your PC until you'll get new dedicated GPU. With AMD builds, Ryzen CPUs doesn't have built-in graphics in them and when your dedicated GPU dies, your whole PC is dead in the water until you'll get replacement GPU.

To put it short:
office PC - Intel
gaming PC - Intel
workstation PC - AMD

what if i go with a Ryzen 5 2400g instead? I heard that it has a decent intergrated GPU.
I dont really want to go the Intel path because it costs more. I am under a bit of a budget, i have only around 800aud to spend on the mobo, cpu and ram. Thats why i went for ryzen instead of intel.
Also i heard that ryzen cpus were better for gaming than intel.

Thanks for the quick answer though!

 

[Aeacus]

R5 2400G has even worse value than R5 2600 by being in the 35th spot. Also, do note that while R5 2400G does have on-board graphics, it's not a CPU but instead an APU. And as far as CPU side of the performance of APUs go, they are even worse since good part of the APU die is used up by the on-board graphics.

In R5 2400G, there's Vega 11 GPU which has so poor performance that using it for gaming is painful. Even the GTX 1050 Ti, which can do medium settings @ 1080p is a lot better than Vega 11,
comparison: http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-Vega-11-Ryzen-iGPU-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1050-Ti/m401440vs3649

$800 AUD can get you this Intel combo, with money to spare:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8400 2.8GHz 6-Core Processor ($248.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: MSI - B360M PRO-VDH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($124.74 @ AX86 Gaming Systems)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($269.00 @ Shopping Express)
Total: $641.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-22 11:46 AEST+1000

Few words
No matter how you look at it, i5-8400 is better CPU than R5 2400G APU,
comparison: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-2400G-vs-Intel-Core-i5-8400/m433194vs3939

Downside of non-K Core i5 is that you can't OC it.
While the Ryzen CPUs do have OC ability compared to the non-K Intel CPUs, majority of users don't OC their CPUs. CPU OC is more for an enthusiast thing than common practice. Still, there are gains with CPU OC to increase minimum FPS and reduce stutter but that doesn't apply to all games. Some games (e.g CPU bound) do benefit for CPU OC but other games (e.g GPU bound) doesn't benefit almost at all from CPU OC. And of course, there are also downsides. Running CPU clock on constant high clocks (e.g 3.8 Ghz) will wear out CPU much faster than running it with stock clocks (e.g 3.2 Ghz). Not to mention the additional heat produced by the CPU which in turn increases the noise CPU cooler makes to cool it down.

But if you want to have CPU OC ability with Intel build, you need to go with K-series CPU and Z-series MoBo, e.g this one:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8350K 4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.00 @ Mighty Ape)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($89.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($159.00 @ Umart)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($272.00 @ Shopping Express)
Total: $749.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-05-22 12:19 AEST+1000

Few words
Due to the budget limitations and necessity for aftermarket CPU cooler, couldn't put in i5-8600K. But did manage to put in i3-8350K, which by value is 3rd best CPU there is. Only i5-8600K and Xeon E5520 have better value than i3-8350K. Best part is that i3-8350K is also a lot better than R5 2400G,
comparison: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-2400G-vs-Intel-Core-i3-8350K/m433194vs3935

Also, there's little difference between i3-8350K and i5-8400 where Core i5 has 6 cores/threads compared to the 4 cores/threads Core i3. But since you can OC Core i3, you can get even more performance out of it if need be,
comparison: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8400-vs-Intel-Core-i3-8350K/3939vs3935

Note: CPU cooler is 160mm tall and if your PC case can't fit it, let me know and i'll look for something shorter.

And as i said above, most games are using quad-core performance while some use single-core performance. Due to this, and if you want best CPU for gaming, Intel is better choice. Intel has been better choice for gaming for the last 7 or so years.
If you were to look back in the 2012 when AMD launched it's popular FX line, where FX-8350 (8 cores/threads) is still used at some parts of the world and if you were it to compare with i5-2500K (4 cores/threads) that came out in 2011, you'll see the same difference between those old timers and current Ryzen/ Coffee Lake CPUs. Where AMD leads by multi-core performance and Intel leads by single- and quad-core performance,
comparison: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-FX-8350-vs-Intel-Core-i5-2500K/1489vs619