Don't know what to upgrade

[Beasty_993]

Cant decide on an upgrade. So i bought a pre built pc, i think it was called ''Capital Neo x predator'' but i cant seem to find it now. I have an msi gtx 960 and an amd fx 6300 six core processor and an M5A78L-M LX3 motherboard. I was thinking of upgrading to a gtx 1060, and this motherboard/processor http://www.portatech.com/products/product.cshtml?id=73240&o=55352 Should i skip the processor and get the 1070 or should i g cpu/et a good cpu? My budget is 400 euros. I usually play gta5, the new cods, csgo, dota 2, doom and other new games, and i would like to run on high/ultra graphics, but i have an issue where my frames suddenly drop from e.g 100 to either 50 or 20. Is that ''bottlenecking''? Can i fix that by upgrading gpu/cpu?

 

[Calvin7]

Intel H110 Chipset motherboard would not work with a 7th Generation CPU without using a 6th Gen CPU to update the BIOS. This is not the case with Intel 200 Series motherboards

Asus Prime B250M-K Gaming
https://www.amazon.de/B250M-K-Mainboard-Kabylake-DDR4-Speicher-Schnittstelle/dp/B01MZ3YFJH/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491751433&sr=8-1&keywords=asus+b250m+prime

i5 7400
https://www.amazon.de/Intel-BX80677I57400-Quad-Core-Prozessor-Basistakt/dp/B01MSTDS3N/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491751571&sr=8-1&keywords=i5+7400+kaby+lake

I suggest getting a Intel Pentium Kaby Lake G4560.
https://www.amazon.de/Intel-Pentium-G4560-Mikroprozessor-DDR4-2133-DDR3L-1333/dp/B01NCE8T92/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1491751661&sr=1-1&keywords=G4560+kaby+lake

You also need DDR4 2400MHz memory and Windows 10.

Pentium G4560 review
http://www.pcgamer.com/intel-pentium-g4560-review/

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-pentium-g4560-budget-cpu-king-review

 

[The Paladin]

if you can get 500euro together I would suggest a full makeover, in this way;

G4560, Mobo Ram, SSD and Video Card.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor (€59.00 @ Amazon Espana)
Motherboard: MSI B250M BAZOOKA Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€76.95 @ Amazon Espana)
Memory: Patriot 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (€80.90 @ Amazon Espana)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€57.95 @ Amazon Espana)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB Mini Video Card (€228.82 @ Amazon Espana)
Total: €503.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-09 17:43 CEST+0200

2nd choice get ssd/video card for under budget of 400$

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€57.95 @ Amazon Espana)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING Video Card (€269.00 @ Amazon Espana)
Total: €326.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-09 17:45 CEST+0200

 

[dontlistentome]

On your FX 6300 you can run at high or ultra settings just by upgrading your videocard. Running at high/ultra settings AND keeping a high framerate requires both enough CPU performance and videocard performance. Generally, on newer games, if you see pretty good average framerate but it drops pretty low every now and then, that's a sign of the CPU not keeping up. I'm talking about well optimized games, not poorly coded games.

You can check this by monitoring your CPU usage while you play, using MSI Afterburner or something. If you see a lot of high CPU usage, you know you're being held back by the 6300 and a 1070 won't help.

By the way, buying a new videocard and motherboard and CPU and DDR4 ram is not 'upgrading' lol, it's 'buying a new computer'.

 

[Beasty_993]

if you can get 500euro together I would suggest a full makeover, in this way;

G4560, Mobo Ram, SSD and Video Card.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor (€59.00 @ Amazon Espana)
Motherboard: MSI B250M BAZOOKA Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€76.95 @ Amazon Espana)
Memory: Patriot 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (€80.90 @ Amazon Espana)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€57.95 @ Amazon Espana)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB Mini Video Card (€228.82 @ Amazon Espana)
Total: €503.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-09 17:43 CEST+0200

2nd choice get ssd/video card for under budget of 400$

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€57.95 @ Amazon Espana)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING Video Card (€269.00 @ Amazon Espana)

Can you explain why i should buy those things? I already have 8gb ram and why would i need storage? And isn't the cpu u recommended worse than the one i have now?

 

[The Paladin]

1. the G4560 is a more powerful CPU then the old FX6300 sorry to break it to you.
2. the memory I suggest is simply put, your system uses DDR3 Ram and this B250/CPu needs DDR4 RAM
3. the SSD is 5-10x faster than a normal IDE/DATA drive, you do want to improve the loading time of your games yes?

but like I said, you can go with just the 2nd choice, and get a nifty powerful video card and ssd for the same price.

 

[Beasty_993]

1. the G4560 is a more powerful CPU then the old FX6300 sorry to break it to you.
2. the memory I suggest is simply put, your system uses DDR3 Ram and this B250/CPu needs DDR4 RAM
3. the SSD is 5-10x faster than a normal IDE/DATA drive, you do want to improve the loading time of your games yes?

but like I said, you can go with just the 2nd choice, and get a nifty powerful video card and ssd for the same price.

Would the full makeover help a lot for better performance than just the gpu and ssd?

 

[The Paladin]

I usually play gta5, the new cods, csgo, dota 2, doom and other new games, and i would like to run on high/ultra graphics, but i have an issue where my frames suddenly drop from e.g 100 to either 50 or 20. Is that ''bottlenecking''? Can i fix that by upgrading gpu/cpu?

the thing is about bottle necking is you have to run a software like HWINFO to see if utilization during the game that drops FPS is because CPU/GPU are at 100% or not.. can you perform this test ?

 

[Beasty_993]

I usually play gta5, the new cods, csgo, dota 2, doom and other new games, and i would like to run on high/ultra graphics, but i have an issue where my frames suddenly drop from e.g 100 to either 50 or 20. Is that ''bottlenecking''? Can i fix that by upgrading gpu/cpu?

the thing is about bottle necking is you have to run a software like HWINFO to see if utilization during the game that drops FPS is because CPU/GPU are at 100% or not.. can you perform this test ?

So i played gta 5 for about 15 mins driving around the big city with 5 stars and the highest i could get the cpu to go was 86%, generally it was staying at about 65%-80%. I had the settings mostly on high and my frames were from 30-50 max sometimes even going lower than 30

 

[The Paladin]

so you r video was at 100% then ?

 

[Beasty_993]

so you r video was at 100% then ?

Well no, i dont know how but i have 2 things called gpu. 1 was in the beginning but i checked a video and it said that i should monitor gpu core load, . Anyway the original changes from 45-60% but core load is anywhere from 0-80%

 

[The Paladin]

you probably have an internal video card (common with intel boards) and an another you use to plug your monitor to it..

 

[Beasty_993]

you probably have an internal video card (common with intel boards) and an another you use to plug your monitor to it..

Yea i was wondering what, why, how that is but never checked. model intel(r) 965 express chipset family and gtx 960

 

[Beasty_993]

Does that change anything?

 

[The Paladin]

well it doesn't really change anything when looking at HWINFO it should be looking at GTX960, as the internal Intel one should be at 0% doing nothing unless oyur connected to it.


I will rescind what I said earlier, I would start with a video card upgrade the 960 is a little better than a 1050ti. you need a 1060 3gb at least to get those games to play smoothly, preferably a 1070 if you can afford it problem is higher on the video card echelon you go the more likely your cpu will become the bottle necking. so you at 80% on a 960, this may go up with a 1070. not sure it will with a 1060 .

 

[Beasty_993]

I am planning to get a new monitor (probably 1440p) so I'm gonna have to buy the cpu/gpu now, then somewhere in summer get the other things and then the monitor. And for 1440p u need at least a 1070 right? I'm thinking msi gtx 1070 gaming x 8g. But by that time maybe the 1080 would be cheaper . could it get cheaper or maybe have a sail?

 

[Beasty_993]

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor (€59.00 @ Amazon Espana)
Motherboard: MSI B250M BAZOOKA Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€76.95 @ Amazon Espana)
Memory: Patriot 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (€80.90 @ Amazon Espana)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€57.95 @ Amazon Espana)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB Mini Video Card (€228.82 @ Amazon Espana)
Total: €503.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-09 17:43 CEST+0200

Well if you think this is the best i can get for 300 regarding mobo, storage, memory, cpu ill probably get these things but ill wait and buy a 1070/80 a few months later.