Does it have more functionality? Yes. Does it have enough to warrant taking over the whole goddamn screen? No.*presses win-key and types in a phrase on windows 7 box**sees list of programs and files with phrase in the name**presses win-key and types in a phrase on windows 8 box**sees list of programs and files with phrase in the name... and documents, and tagged photos, and other potentially related programs*Ya, the process is just so different, and the newer search results are just simply not as comprehensive or as useful red77star. I COMPLETELY see why a an intelligent human being would be completely offended by this.
Well, if Microsoft does what people are hoping for Windows 9, then Windows 9 will be the last good one, because Windows 10 is going Cloud. I will not go the way Google went if Microsoft does it. I like having my Optical drive, and Hard drive built in. They remove those two for cloud, and I am done with Microsoft's newer releases. That to me is so stupid, because not the whole world has internet at their finger tips, like DSL or Cable. Dialup would be so nasty for cloud OS.You may have a point there, in regards to MS's ability to spy on it's users, however it made it so much easier being logged on live to MS beginning with Windows 8. I can agree that it at least began when MS introduced the WGA process with XP in or around 2006, as my genuine OEM Dell XP Pro was flagged, however a phone call took care of it. However, there's a huge difference between how MS can interact with us between Windows 8 & XP. As to what I term "apps", I'm actually referring to applications (formerly called "programs"), just going with the flow, I guess. Who uses the term "surfing" in regards to web browsing anymore? I've read that is one word NOT to include on a job resume. Many now calls applications/programs "apps", when another current term is widely used, I'll adapt to it. Just being with the times 🙂However, I won't update 8.1 any further, actually I'll gladly transfer my licenses for what I paid in 2012(& it's perfectly legal, according to the EULA), as soon as I make some other changes to those computers. As long as everything, including all install media & license keys are transferred to the new user & I keep nothing, it's good. I've known others to do the same. Hopefully someone else can find the joy that I haven't with the Windows 8 project. I don't even bother to boot into the OS's & update them any longer. As for the Dell that I purchased with Windows 8, that SATA3 HDD has been removed from the PC & will be retained in it's original state, until the warranty expires in 2017. It's in a safe place, cushioned in a box that another HDD shipped in. Being logged into an OS just isn't my preference, not to mention that Windows 7 Pro outperforms the OEM Windows 8 that shipped with the PC. There are some good features of the OS, such as IE syncing between Windows 8 devices & the same with Store apps. However other browsers had this function long ago. The Hyper-V app is rough around the edges also, especially when running some Linux VM's. Windows 7 Ultimate's version of bootable VM's is better than running Hyper-V guests with Windows 8/8.1 running & they get to use the full resources of the computer. It's going to take one hell of an OS to knock Windows 7 off the top of the charts. I see MS in 2020 having a much harder time getting 7 users to let go, than they are with XP users now. More than likely, 7 will get a stay of execution like XP did. That OS should have been gone as initially planned, it was Vista that stalled those plans. Hopefully Windows 8 will cause the same effect for Windows 7. I don't see where 8.1 update will actually increase migration to a huge extent, as MS is already trying to distance themselves from the failed OS release, that except for maybe tablets, wasn't even needed for PC's & traditional notebooks. Catjimmysmitty :Apps vs applications. And apps are controlled just like Apple does in iOS and Google does in Android. But normal desktop applications still install just like on 7.BTW, Microsoft has been able to "spy" on you since XP. Acting like 8 is any different is acting blind.cat1092 :No thanks, I have Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center on 2 notebooks that dual boots with Windows 7 Pro. Fortunately, I gave only $40 for one & $15 for the other, during the initial release promo period, otherwise I'd never have bought it. Have bought a XPS 8700 since with Windows 8, I removed the HDD, installed a SSD & went with Windows 7 Pro, which meets most of my needs. Linux Mint 16 meets the rest. Beginning with Windows 8, it seems that MS has used the OS to spy on it's customers, as they know everything we install & some apps can actually be blocked if MS desires. Unless MS takes three steps in reverse & give it's users an OS like Windows 7, which shows no signs of slowing in sales, 8.1 will be the last Windows OS that I own. Cat
Ok, I usually stay out of rants and the bickering of old souls, but I have to stop this stupidity. You have absolutely no right to complain about being unproductive with one monitor unless you are working with a 40 inch+ 4k monitor. Working IT, our firm requires 8.0+ on our computers, and with 4 monitors productivity has never been an issue. 8.0 is a huge step in the right direction. YES the UI sucks, but the OS itself runs so much smoother and is much more efficient. Dropping back to W7 is like saying you want a slower computer..I have only one screen and having search pane opened all the time takes too much of the space but it doesn't matter. In nutshell Windows 8.1 offers nothing over Windows 7 for consumers let alone businesses. I have Windows 7 installed on a GPT partitioned drive, but i agree it is not easy process. About memory i don't know. I really didn't see any differences. Both Windows 8 and Windows 7 idles at 1.5Gb of RAM after clean install. No matter how you organized Start Screen it stays unorganized, as i said looks like cluttered circus. Out of box Windows 8 is a mess so you have to spend time to get that Start Screen meaningful which most people have no time for such crap.Most people who are in a highly productivity related field have two or more monitors. The way 8.1 works is the monitor you are focused on becomes the start screen. Now a easy way to do it would be to open up search and make it 1/4 of the screen on one screen that way you always have a search open and you can still focus on what is open.Of course no one is forcing you to use 8.Getting 7 to boot under UEFI is no big deal. It's the same as getting XP to boot with AHCI, it is possible. The main difference is that 8 was designed to natively take advantage of it. I have one for you to try here. Try and get 7 to load on a GPT partitioned drive. I tried and it is near impossible. Then do it with 8. It will work like a charm as it is the first Windows to support booting from GPT and as well has a new FS in place, just us end users can't really use it right now.A lot of the improvements are in memory, for instance 8.1 uses less memory when it is a clean OS only install than 7.I prefer 8.1 overall to 7. I didn't use the start menu at all so it doesn't affect me. Even without it I can navigate through a PC with a keyboard or a command prompt. What I do find funny is how people call the Start Screen unorganized when in reality you can remove everything that is there and put what you want and organize it how you want it to be.red77star :Bringing full screen takes away a focus from what i was looking at, and in does in slow manner that over time it becomes unproductive and useless. It is terrible in form of workflow. Again that eye candy matters to me because i cannot stand flat ugly look of Windows 8. There is nothing modern about Windows 8. Metro apps are useless, whole eco system brings 0 value to PC and Windows in general. As far as Phone, Windows Phone Team did ok thing but bringing that mobile eco system to Desktop is out of mind.Beside video editing i also like to play games , Counter Strike GO / Battlefield 3/4 and few others, for me Windows 8 was a step up in gaming performance than 7. I don`t mind the "metro" start on the whole screen, people tend to say is not productive, well, tell me what`s the difference ? You have a full screen with all your apps in it vs a menu on the side with your apps, maybe even need to scroll to see some of them, all this while you can`t use your rest of the screen since your mouse is focused on the Start Menus after you click your desired app to start, both OS do the same thing , return to full desktop mode waiting to load the application, so , again, where`s the productive problem ? It looks different and not eye-candy, yes, is it counter-productive ? NO!red77star :Windows 7 performs as good as Windows 8, also i managed to setup Windows 7 to boot under UEFI making same boot time as with Windows 8. I wanted to give some credit to Windows 8 but compared to Windows 7 there is not any performance improvement that i noticed.What you are telling us is that 8.1 has great performance but you ditched that for the eye candy of the Windows 7`s interface.red77star :I returned back to Windows 7 after a year of dealing with Windows 8 and 8.1. Windows 8.1 has great performance but just terrible UI which makes OS unusable. Looks too flat and ugly, messes up my eyes. After going back to Windows 7 what a fresh nice look that is and plus looks more modern than Windows 8. Also had problems with games under Windows 8.1. Skyrim suffered from lag unless runs in compatibility mode which was no no to me. Overall, hopefully Windows 9 follows where MS stopped with Windows 7 otherwise i don't see myself upgrading to future Windows releases.