DS ahead of PSP in 3rd party support

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On Mon, 17 May 2004 09:14:56 GMT, Kalikopela
<juradoc001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

>You missed the point of my post drocket.
>
>If Sony wants to advertise it - let them. They have every god-given
>right to. If they want to manufacture underwear with advertisements
>about the PSP's capabilities in displaying high quality porn on your
>PSP... they have every god given right to.
>
>Now what are you trying to tell me? Something I already know? That PSP
>is making a big deal about it? That they have been telling the world
>that IF BY CHANCE the film industry wanted to produce films for the PSP,
>that they can because of their "robust copyright protection system"?

Are you freaking stupid or something? Sony spent time and effort
developing complicated encryption technology for the PSP and is hyping
the media capabilities of the PSP so that maybe by -sheer random
chance- it'll happen to get used as a movie platform?

Sony clearly intends to push the PSP as a video platform. We're just
listing the many reasons why the whole thing is a dumb idea.

 

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"drax" <drax1313@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike O'Connor" <mike@leptonicsystems.com> wrote in message
> news:mike-1C3D65.09265917052004@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > In article <JWUpc.54454$BG1.23788@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> > Kalikopela <juradoc001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What the PSP boys are doing with this movie playback thing is nothing
> > > more then shouting to others what it's capable of doing. It is NOT
> > > meant to replace your portable DVD player.
> >
> > That's EXACTLY what it is meant to do (in addition to gaming.) This is
> > meant to be Sony's video WalkMan. Sony owns tons of movies, tons of
> > music videos. Very soon, you will find many major motion pictures,
> > especially recent on-video releases, available in PSP format. This
> > function will be played up as much as the gaming, once the product and
> > the movies are out.
> >
> > It's proprietary, but it's a whole new format to sell movies on, and
> > studios love that. And it's purportedly secure from copying. We'll see
> > movies from many studios on it.

So these many studios will give money straight to one of their competitors?

>
> The movies better be really, really inexpensive. I doubt people will want
> to pay full price for a movie they can only watch on a very small screen.

 

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Bleh - the second I read Sony suggesting that you throw away your DVD
sets - I'll believe it.

As for the portable being used for movies as much as games? Yer dreaming.

As for sony advertising their movie playing capabilities - let it be.

Honestly - I came here to talk about Nintendo - not the PSP. Focus
people! Focus!!! 🙂

Mike O'Connor wrote:
> In article <JWUpc.54454$BG1.23788@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> Kalikopela <juradoc001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>What the PSP boys are doing with this movie playback thing is nothing
>>more then shouting to others what it's capable of doing. It is NOT
>>meant to replace your portable DVD player.
>
>
> That's EXACTLY what it is meant to do (in addition to gaming.) This is
> meant to be Sony's video WalkMan. Sony owns tons of movies, tons of
> music videos. Very soon, you will find many major motion pictures,
> especially recent on-video releases, available in PSP format. This
> function will be played up as much as the gaming, once the product and
> the movies are out.
>
> It's proprietary, but it's a whole new format to sell movies on, and
> studios love that. And it's purportedly secure from copying. We'll see
> movies from many studios on it.

 

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> Are you freaking stupid or something? Sony spent time and effort
> developing complicated encryption technology for the PSP and is hyping
> the media capabilities of the PSP so that maybe by -sheer random
> chance- it'll happen to get used as a movie platform?
>
> Sony clearly intends to push the PSP as a video platform. We're just
> listing the many reasons why the whole thing is a dumb idea.

You honestly need to chill out drocket.

The UMB format is meant to protect everything from pirating. That
includes your precious movies. But it also extends to the game, and
whatever media is on the disc. Or whatever subscription based content
you might have had. This is still a function of the System - a
possibility - but will it it replace your DVD player? The answer is a
flat no.

Unfortunately, this is a messageboard - and you can get away with
calling complete strangers "freaking stupid". My response to you - is
to grow up and get a life. And while yer at it, learn some manners.

 

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On Mon, 17 May 2004 21:32:48 GMT, Kalikopela
<juradoc001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

>but will it it replace your DVD player? The answer is a
>flat no.

Is Sony hyping it to kingdom come that its going be a viable movie
platform? Hell yes, and if you can't see that, then I stand by my
'freaking stupid' comment.

 

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"drax" <drax1313@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike O'Connor" <mike@leptonicsystems.com> wrote in message
> news:mike-1C3D65.09265917052004@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > In article <JWUpc.54454$BG1.23788@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> > Kalikopela <juradoc001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What the PSP boys are doing with this movie playback thing is nothing
> > > more then shouting to others what it's capable of doing. It is NOT
> > > meant to replace your portable DVD player.
> >
> > That's EXACTLY what it is meant to do (in addition to gaming.) This is
> > meant to be Sony's video WalkMan. Sony owns tons of movies, tons of
> > music videos. Very soon, you will find many major motion pictures,
> > especially recent on-video releases, available in PSP format. This
> > function will be played up as much as the gaming, once the product and
> > the movies are out.
> >
> > It's proprietary, but it's a whole new format to sell movies on, and
> > studios love that. And it's purportedly secure from copying. We'll see
> > movies from many studios on it.
>
> The movies better be really, really inexpensive. I doubt people will want
> to pay full price for a movie they can only watch on a very small screen.

the UMB is one of Sony's latest storage media. (Previous formats Sony have
had a hand in creating are things like the CD, the MD, and the DVD...)

The PSP uses the UMB format, and if Sony delivers than it should playback
anything that is stored on a UMB disc, be it software, music or movies. It
is mainly a games console, but was designed to play movies and music as
well - much like the PS2, which is games console but plays DVDs and CDs as
well. And whos to say Sony won't release home UMB players for your theatre
systems? If the UMB format takes off, then in a few years every home might
have a UMB player... or at the very least many cellphones and PDAs and
other small might have builtin UMB drives...

<=[BC]=>

 

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"BC" <animusainthere@ihug.co.nzorami> wrote in message
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> "drax" <drax1313@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Mike O'Connor" <mike@leptonicsystems.com> wrote in message
> > news:mike-1C3D65.09265917052004@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> > > In article <JWUpc.54454$BG1.23788@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> > > Kalikopela <juradoc001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > What the PSP boys are doing with this movie playback thing is
nothing
> > > > more then shouting to others what it's capable of doing. It is NOT
> > > > meant to replace your portable DVD player.
> > >
> > > That's EXACTLY what it is meant to do (in addition to gaming.) This is
> > > meant to be Sony's video WalkMan. Sony owns tons of movies, tons of
> > > music videos. Very soon, you will find many major motion pictures,
> > > especially recent on-video releases, available in PSP format. This
> > > function will be played up as much as the gaming, once the product and
> > > the movies are out.
> > >
> > > It's proprietary, but it's a whole new format to sell movies on, and
> > > studios love that. And it's purportedly secure from copying. We'll see
> > > movies from many studios on it.
> >
> > The movies better be really, really inexpensive. I doubt people will
want
> > to pay full price for a movie they can only watch on a very small
screen.
>
> the UMB is one of Sony's latest storage media. (Previous formats Sony
have
> had a hand in creating are things like the CD, the MD, and the DVD...)
>
> The PSP uses the UMB format, and if Sony delivers than it should playback
> anything that is stored on a UMB disc, be it software, music or movies.
It
> is mainly a games console, but was designed to play movies and music as
> well - much like the PS2, which is games console but plays DVDs and CDs as
> well. And whos to say Sony won't release home UMB players for your
theatre
> systems? If the UMB format takes off, then in a few years every home
might
> have a UMB player... or at the very least many cellphones and PDAs and
> other small might have builtin UMB drives...
>
> <=[BC]=>
>

I think the capacity of the UMD is about 1.8 Gigabytes. Most current DVDs
are considerably larger than that, DVD-5 or DVD-9. Does Sony have a new
video compression system that will allow movies to fit on the much smaller
UMD media without compromising video and audio quality? Not to mention that
the current DVD format is pretty well entrenched in homes around the world,
do you think that everyone will run out and buy a new machine for their
house so they can watch the (assumedly) lower quality video on their TVs? I
doubt Sony has the strength to unseat the current format. Another point is
the declining quality of sony's consumer electronics. I've had enough
problems with sony gadgets (DVD burner, vaio laptop, cybershot digital
camera) that I can't see myself buying anything else with the sony name on
it.

drax

 

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> The PSP uses the UMB format, and if Sony delivers than it should playback
> anything that is stored on a UMB disc, be it software, music or movies.
It
> is mainly a games console, but was designed to play movies and music as
> well - much like the PS2, which is games console but plays DVDs and CDs as
> well. And whos to say Sony won't release home UMB players for your
theatre
> systems? If the UMB format takes off, then in a few years every home
might
> have a UMB player... or at the very least many cellphones and PDAs and
> other small might have builtin UMB drives...
>
> <=[BC]=>



Wait, wait, oh my, you;re not actually saying this are you? Oh wait? You
are? You're trying to say that a propreityo format, which will have minial
third party support, has less resolution than DVD, less capcity that DVD
(therefore higher compression), has a chance of becoming a mass market
porduct that everyone and their dog will start adding to their entertainment
center?

 

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And if the UMB format takes off - we'll have two giants to worry about
in this world...

Microsoft for personal and business computing...

Sony for entertainment...

The future looks bleak my friends... thank god for nintendo. 😉

BC wrote:


> The PSP uses the UMB format, and if Sony delivers than it should playback
> anything that is stored on a UMB disc, be it software, music or movies. It
> is mainly a games console, but was designed to play movies and music as
> well - much like the PS2, which is games console but plays DVDs and CDs as
> well. And whos to say Sony won't release home UMB players for your theatre
> systems? If the UMB format takes off, then in a few years every home might
> have a UMB player... or at the very least many cellphones and PDAs and
> other small might have builtin UMB drives...
>
> <=[BC]=>
>
>

 

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In article <2gs54eF65ln9U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"drax" <drax1313@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I think the capacity of the UMD is about 1.8 Gigabytes. Most current
> DVDs are considerably larger than that, DVD-5 or DVD-9. Does Sony
> have a new video compression system that will allow movies to fit on
> the much smaller UMD media without compromising video and audio
> quality?

There is no problem putting two hour movies on these discs without extra
compression. A DVD often has two or three soundtracks and extras. The
movie alone is no problem.

> Not to mention that the current DVD format is pretty well
> entrenched in homes around the world, do you think that everyone will
> run out and buy a new machine for their house so they can watch the
> (assumedly) lower quality video on their TVs?

It won't be lower quality. But it will have fewer things, like the
digital soundtrack. It is not meant to replace the DVD. These devices
are meant to replace portable DVD players and eventually the MiniDisc. A
DVD disc is simply too big for a pocket size device, so they had to do
something. And, people can now record on DVDs - but they can't record on
the new format. This is purposeful. The copy protection aspects of the
device are important to Sony. The fact that only Sony and its licencees
can make devices that create OR play these discs is a good thing in the
mind of Sony and the licencees who will make new devices and content.

Yes, other studios will release movies for this. It's more sales for the
movie. But Sony does not wish to put back-catalogs of movies on this
thing for now. For marketing reasons, they want to put mostly brand new
releases on it, to emphasize the cutting-edgeness of the device in its
first year.

> I doubt Sony has the strength to unseat the current format.

Not the goal. But they do want it to replace the portable DVD player.

> Another point is the
> declining quality of sony's consumer electronics. I've had enough
> problems with sony gadgets (DVD burner, vaio laptop, cybershot
> digital camera) that I can't see myself buying anything else with the
> sony name on it.

But enough others can.

 

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"drocket" <drocket@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> 1) Sony seems to be doing a good deal more than merely saying that
> the system is capable of playing video. The press release for the PS
> says:
>
> "a robust copyright protection system has been developed which
> utilizes a combination of a unique disc ID, a 128 bit AES encryption
> keys for the media, and individual ID for each PSP hardware unit."
>
> In other words, they've clearly spent time and effort developing PSP
> as a video player, and appear to have plans to promote it as such
>
> 2) Considering, as you pointed out, that the GBA is already capable
> of video playback, this is a less-than-stellar advancement in
> technology, and therefore not something you'd want to spent time and
> effort hyping. Unless, of course, you intend to promote the system as
> a video entertainment center (as opposed to it simply being capable of
> video.)

I don't know how you can call it a "less-than-stellar advancement." The GBA
video technology is said to work pretty well for what it is, but all that's
been shown so far are animated cartoons. Cartoons generally don't have vast
amounts of color and detail, so they are easier to compress when compared to
filmed footage of live action (which I don't believe has been demonstrated
on GBA, at least not publicly). The PSP video will certainly be higher
resolution, and probably higher quality and with better sound fidelity as
well. UMD discs can also hold about 3-4 times the amount of high-quality
video compared to GBA cartridges (which, again, are lower quality--the UMD
could probably hold 100 times the video if it was restricted to GBA
quality).

Speaking of cartoons on GBA, here's something else to consider: How about
cartoons on UMD? The cost of manufacturing a UMD disc would probably be
cheaper than a GBA cartridge, yet it would benefit from the advantages I
mentioned above. Instead of having to buy two separate $20 Spongebob
Squarepants GBA video cartridges (each holding about 45 minutes of video), a
parent could buy just one UMD disc with 90 minutes of cartoons for about the
same $20 price as a single GBA video cartridge.

Sony wouldn't have to convince all the movie studios to release their movies
to UMD format right away, but I bet they'd easily be able to convince the
studios that plan to put out cartoons on GBA cartridges to release improved
versions on UMD for the PSP.

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Limbaugh

 

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> video technology is said to work pretty well for what it is, but all
that's
> been shown so far are animated cartoons. Cartoons generally don't have
vast
> amounts of color and detail, so they are easier to compress when compared
to
> filmed footage of live action

Actually, the opposite is true. Cartoons are much harder to compress without
visible artifacting because of the large areas of flat colour, and hard
black lines, compression artifacts are more visible.

More ass talk.



> resolution, and probably higher quality and with better sound fidelity as
> well. UMD discs can also hold about 3-4 times the amount of high-quality
> video compared to GBA cartridges (which, again, are lower quality--the UMD
> could probably hold 100 times the video if it was restricted to GBA
> quality).

Why the hell does this matter?

> Sony wouldn't have to convince all the movie studios to release their
movies
> to UMD format right away, but I bet they'd easily be able to convince the
> studios that plan to put out cartoons on GBA cartridges to release
improved
> versions on UMD for the PSP.

I think you overestimate their chances.

 

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"drocket" <drocket@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 17 May 2004 21:32:48 GMT, Kalikopela
> <juradoc001@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >but will it it replace your DVD player? The answer is a
> >flat no.
>
> Is Sony hyping it to kingdom come that its going be a viable movie
> platform? Hell yes, and if you can't see that, then I stand by my
> 'freaking stupid' comment.
>

Here, let's make this easy for you. Sony is releasing the PSP that will have
game functions, audio/video media playback functions and what not. One of
the functions will be similar to a portable DVD player so they are hyping
their product to inform the customers of the various and different features
of the unit. What has been a big downfall for a lot of products over the
last 20 plus years of consumer products?? Yep, lack of advertising and
marketing. Sony is doing what it has to in order to make sure there product
is advertised to as many people as possible which, they hope, will deliver
more sales in the end. Easy marketing approach that has worked wonders for a
majority of companies on and off Wall Street. Pretty basic economics if you
ask me.

RickB

 

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> > Yes, a 90 minute movie *can* fill up a 9 gigabyte (GB) dvd easily. No
one
> is
> > questioning that it can't. what the previous poster was trying to say
the
> > the movie *could* be compressed in a way to fit on the new format. I
don't
> > think its even been confirmed the maximum capacity of the new format. If
> you
> > are the all-knowing then please provide proof.
> >
>
> He was saying it wouldn't need to be compressed. \

Then he is totally an utterly wrong.

> 1.8GB has been the only
> number I've seen reported, and seems reasonable based on its size. I
don't
> know if the size has been confirmed either, but I'd bet 1.8GB is very
close.

1.8gb is correct.

 

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> > Wait, wait, oh my, you;re not actually saying this are you? Oh wait? You
> > are? You're trying to say that a propreityo format, which will have
minial
> > third party support, has less resolution than DVD, less capcity that DVD
> > (therefore higher compression), has a chance of becoming a mass market
> > porduct that everyone and their dog will start adding to their
> entertainment
> > center?
> >
> >
>
> Yikes, who broke your keyboard?? It hurts to even read that paragraph.
>
> Proprietary formats are nothing new, we all have gotten used to some sort
of
> proprietary hardware or software over the last decade without any major
> problems.
>
> RickB
\

Nice job of avoiding the question. Guess you know you're wrong, as well as
too stupid too live, and you just don't wanna admit it.

Figures.

 

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"Mike O'Connor" <mike@leptonicsystems.com> wrote in message
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> In article <2gs54eF65ln9U1@uni-berlin.de>,
> "drax" <drax1313@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think the capacity of the UMD is about 1.8 Gigabytes. Most current
> > DVDs are considerably larger than that, DVD-5 or DVD-9. Does Sony
> > have a new video compression system that will allow movies to fit on
> > the much smaller UMD media without compromising video and audio
> > quality?
>
> There is no problem putting two hour movies on these discs without extra
> compression. A DVD often has two or three soundtracks and extras. The
> movie alone is no problem.
>

You are wrong. If, as reported, the UMD has a capacity of 1.8GB it won't
even hold one hour of DVD quality audio and video without extra compression.
4.7GB blanks are advertised as holding 2 hours of DVD video. You do the
math. Not to mention many, if not most, newer movies run over 2 hours.

If the sony UMD movies are lacking soundtracks and extras they should
already be much less expensive than regular DVDs, which is what I originally
said.


> > Not to mention that the current DVD format is pretty well
> > entrenched in homes around the world, do you think that everyone will
> > run out and buy a new machine for their house so they can watch the
> > (assumedly) lower quality video on their TVs?
>
> It won't be lower quality. But it will have fewer things, like the
> digital soundtrack.

It will be lower quality. I've yet to see any movie that would fit into
1.8GB of space regardless of soundtracks and extras. Newer movies tend to
be even bigger and longer than older movies.

> It is not meant to replace the DVD. These devices
> are meant to replace portable DVD players and eventually the MiniDisc. A
> DVD disc is simply too big for a pocket size device, so they had to do
> something.

I don't think a pocket size device is the right device for watching DVD
quality movies. Video clips and compressed audio would suit it better.

> And, people can now record on DVDs - but they can't record on
> the new format. This is purposeful. The copy protection aspects of the
> device are important to Sony. The fact that only Sony and its licencees
> can make devices that create OR play these discs is a good thing in the
> mind of Sony and the licencees who will make new devices and content.
>

This is one area that sony could have given themselves an advantage. If the
PSP could play regular recordable mini DVD think of all the people who could
make home movies and audio compilations and play them on the PSP.


> Yes, other studios will release movies for this. It's more sales for the
> movie. But Sony does not wish to put back-catalogs of movies on this
> thing for now. For marketing reasons, they want to put mostly brand new
> releases on it, to emphasize the cutting-edgeness of the device in its
> first year.
>

Again, you're looking at compression or multi-disks for each movie. If the
movies cost $5 or less it might work.

> > I doubt Sony has the strength to unseat the current format.
>
> Not the goal. But they do want it to replace the portable DVD player.
>

Laptop computers are becoming extremely inexpensive and can play regular
DVDs, games and use the internet. I can't imagine any thinking person
coming to the conclusion that they should buy two copies of a movie so they
can watch one at home and the other in the PSP.

> > Another point is the
> > declining quality of sony's consumer electronics. I've had enough
> > problems with sony gadgets (DVD burner, vaio laptop, cybershot
> > digital camera) that I can't see myself buying anything else with the
> > sony name on it.
>
> But enough others can.

Some maybe, but I doubt "enough".

drax

 

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On Tue, 18 May 2004 11:58:53 GMT, "RickB" <rberry883@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Let me guess, you actually used a PSP and are telling us from first-hand
>experience what it will be like??

I think its pretty easy to figure out a lot of ways that the PSP is
going to be in inferior movie player. A tiny screen, a proprietary
media format that's incompatible with everything else so your only
option for playing the movies you buy is on the previously mentioned
tiny screen, a media format that's going to be significantly more
expensive to produce than a DVD yet have lower capacity, a much
smaller market for movies than for DVDs...

It all adds up to more expensive movies that are lower quality than a
DVD and with many fewer usage options. I highly doubt you can debate
this conclusion.

> Riiiiggghhhtttt, I haven't seen anywhere
>that Sony is marketing the PSP as just a DVD-like movie player. They are
>marketing it as a portable game unit that *also* has the capabilities (out
>of the box) to play DVD-like movies and audio formats.

So its not a DVD-like movie player. It simply plays DVD-like movies.
Yes, there's worlds of difference there.

>Sony is marketing and advertising the unit for the features it has
>and what it is capable of doing

They're doing the exact same thing that they did with the PS2: Trying
to hide the fact that its second-rate gaming hardware by hyping the
fact that its also a third-rate movie player (regardless the number
and quality of PS2 games, purely from a hardware perspective, the PS2
is CLEARLY less powerful than the X-Box or GC, and as a dvd player, it
simply blows.)

>that is pretty basic R&D at its finest,

That's not R&D: That's marketting.

>or are you just upset that the DS isn't going to have similar functions?

Oh yes, I dream of having ANOTHER incompatible, expensive,
low-quality, proprietary media format. I lay awake at night yearning
for it.

 

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Some Moron wrote:
> >or are you just upset that the DS isn't going to have similar functions?

ROTFLMAO. I could care less about any of the silly extra feature in these
products. Both Xbox and PS2 are fine gaming machines, the Xbox being
slightly better, but both are absolutely terrible DVD players, and would
never use them as such. So I certainly won't be missing video features in
the DS, which would be an even worse video player.




Some smart perosn wrote:
> Oh yes, I dream of having ANOTHER incompatible, expensive,
> low-quality, proprietary media format. I lay awake at night yearning
> for it.


Hehehe.

 

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On Tue, 18 May 2004 19:48:37 GMT, drocket <drocket@hotmail.com> wrote:

>They're doing the exact same thing that they did with the PS2: Trying
>to hide the fact that its second-rate gaming hardware by hyping the
>fact that its also a third-rate movie player (regardless the number
>and quality of PS2 games, purely from a hardware perspective, the PS2
>is CLEARLY less powerful than the X-Box or GC, and as a dvd player, it
>simply blows.)

You're jumping the gun already writing off PSP as second-rate hardware
and a third-rate media player. They seem to have generated interest
from the developers who helped build the PSOne's brand to begin with.
And PSP hardware seems well suited for regurge ports, which I'm sure
they'll tap to the max. And whose to say at this point how creative
they will get with the video functionality UMD will offer.. It would
be in Sony's best interest to make the video playback functionality
useful for promotional gimmicks via game magazines, trade shows, and
other marketing tie-ins (eg anime & even digital manga).

 

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In article <2guvfkF79946U1@uni-berlin.de>,
"drax" <drax1313@hotmail.com> wrote:

> He was saying it wouldn't need to be compressed.

ALL consumer formats, including DVD, are compressed. The movie will not
need extra compression, by that I don't mean you take the DVD movie file
and move it to the smaller disc, but that it need not be compressed past
what is proper for standard TV. I believe this is Sony's intent, that
this video will be playable and satisfying on standard size TVs, not
just the PSP.

 

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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 Richard Strong <richard.strong@'remove'ntlworld.com> wrote:

> You must be really naive if you think movie studio executives (other than
> Sony) will see the PSP and it's UMD format as a viable method of
> distribution. The hand-held market is tiny compared to the movie and DVD mar
> ket. If you want to talk about the DS's features being gimmicks then i'd
> have to say that the movie playback on the PSP is the most expensive gimmick
> of them all.

I agree that this would be about as popular as buying albums on mini-disc.

However, if Sony created a PC package that included a UMD writer and some
software to convert DVDs (or other formats)... Sure, make this a separate
package from the basic PSP package.

As we've seen the popularity of hand-held digital music machines grow in
popularity (iPod anyone?) the next logical step would be a hand-held digital
video player. Yes, I know that you can use your laptop to play DVDs, and
then there's the highly illogical "portable DVD player" which costs almost
as much as a good low-end laptop. Portable DVD players can only play
DVDs and even the lightest laptop is still going to be close to 3 pounds
of equipment. Something that can play games, music and videos while
coming in under 2lbs is going to attract attention.

 

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format as a viable method of
> > distribution. The hand-held market is tiny compared to the movie and DVD
mar
> > ket. If you want to talk about the DS's features being gimmicks then i'd
> > have to say that the movie playback on the PSP is the most expensive
gimmick
> > of them all.
>
> I agree that this would be about as popular as buying albums on mini-disc.
>
> However, if Sony created a PC package that included a UMD writer and some
> software to convert DVDs (or other formats)... Sure, make this a separate
> package from the basic PSP package.

Since DVD's are copy protected, nevermind the fact that copying DVDs is
illegal, the chnaces os Sony offering something like this are ZERO.




> as much as a good low-end laptop. Portable DVD players can only play
> DVDs and even the lightest laptop is still going to be close to 3 pounds
> of equipment. Something that can play games, music and videos while
> coming in under 2lbs is going to attract attention.


It will attract plenty of attention as a gaming platform. As a movie it's
pointless.

 

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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 drocket <drocket@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Sony clearly intends to push the PSP as a video platform. We're just
> listing the many reasons why the whole thing is a dumb idea.

You, and the others, are assuming that Sony only intends to release movies
and music in this new format. I think instead they would be wise to simply
sell blank UMDs with a drive that you plug into your PC and let you put
your own media onto the discs. If they're worried about copyright, then
only allow the software to rip directly from a CD or DVD, rather than
simply moving media files from your hard drive.

I highly doubt Sony would try to simply market pre-recorded content on
their new format after seeing how well sales of albums on mini-disc sold.

 

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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 drocket <drocket@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Is Sony hyping it to kingdom come that its going be a viable movie
> platform? Hell yes, and if you can't see that, then I stand by my
> 'freaking stupid' comment.

I must have missed that press report... So far, Sony has only said what
the unit is capable of doing. Whether or not Sony intends to start
releasing movies on UMB has not been announced. Personally, I don't think
such a thing would do very well unless they push the UMB format into other
devices - such as their laptops and PDAs. Again, that hasn't been
announced and so remains speculation.

 

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"Mike O'Connor" <mike@leptonicsystems.com> wrote in message
news:mike-7F1B69.16324318052004@news4-ge1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
> In article <2guvfkF79946U1@uni-berlin.de>,
> "drax" <drax1313@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > He was saying it wouldn't need to be compressed.
>
> ALL consumer formats, including DVD, are compressed. The movie will not
> need extra compression, by that I don't mean you take the DVD movie file
> and move it to the smaller disc, but that it need not be compressed past
> what is proper for standard TV. I believe this is Sony's intent, that
> this video will be playable and satisfying on standard size TVs, not
> just the PSP.

Ok, he was saying it wouldn't need further compression. He was arguing that
DVD movies would fit on the 1.8GB if you cut out the extras. This is simply
not true. TV quality is not DVD quality, and so the discs should cost the
consumer much less than regular DVDs. This is what I originally said and
have repeated now a couple of times.

drax