duel core or hyper threading

[emogoch]

I don't know about 64... I still find it particularily suspicious that XP x64 was released with such close timing to Intel's EMT64 processors...

 

[shawnlizzle =]]

thats cuz intel controlls so much of the market, even though AMD skeets all over Intel in this round, the Intel franchise saved its butt. i mean, they have the resources and enough dumb ppl to buy their products. so windows have to comply with this zombie like scheme and go with the intel release on their pathetic take on 64 bit processing

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[Keman]

"lol well somtimes in fps the drop in performance (escipically in multi player) is very noticeable..... although noprmal apps won;t be too damaged but games are effected the most, and i goto get my dad to upp his IMB intel machine to a HT one so i can, like you said, try it out, i wil under clock my 3200 venice to a equevwlent speed of the intel rig (after all its a 3 year old IBM intel rig, or if i'm lucky enough he will let me build one for him, and he don;t really need upgradeablility lol) maybe then i will have more say but now since gaming is still big part of my computering use (will be less in the future when i get into programming but it will never be too small) i still think HT is bad"

First, freaking talk like a normal human being, I can barely understand what your saying in all that giberish. Second, you have absolutly no idea what your talking about, Disabling HT at most gets you 4-6FPS, now, unless your really treading the lines of a low end GPU, generally that has no impact whatsoever, Im sure 80FPS will really improve my BF2 experience rather than my HORRIBLY HT LAGGED 75FPS... Actually use a real HT enabled intel for a few days and actually try things out before you spit out so much biased crap.

 

[theholylancer]

obviously i'm talking a machine that is on multiplayer and have lots and lots of ppl in one same instance (and the host has got a great server that is... or lanparty styled thing) not like your normal 4 person sparing. geeze not everyone have english as their first language ya know, maybe this is y americans are a lot less tolerant of different cultures than canadians, or at least a example of it.

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 08/05/05 09:07 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[Guest]

Yeah most of the time, unless you have a ubber fast card, games are GPU limited anyhow.
And then when you do have a ubber fast card, a drop to 65 instead of 70 is no biggy. If for some reason you alt+tab out of the fgame(playing single palyer whatever) you can do something much faster, also if you didnt turn down your AV or whatever that'll be smoother on both apps!

Point is HT did some good thing for Intel and you cant deny it, if you dont like it, disable it!

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[theholylancer]

lol i don't deny that HT did do some good things but i do not like the way intel is treating it (marketing it) and saying that its like the future of all things (that is until now) that it is the god of cpu feature

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheHolyLancer on 08/05/05 12:33 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[Guest]

Hehe thats better!
The tech is goof at what it does. Its not miraculous, its not like its revolution, its much more an evolution that served the netburst, and long pipelined cpu, in general.

You better get use too it. Its marketing for the masse! Every new tech is the best thing since sliced bread! And between me and you, we cant say that dual core are the most amazing technology we saw.

You didnt make any comments, yet Intel is marketing dual core mouch more than it did market HT. Yet you dont whine about it, is it only because AMD is offering similar tech?

You where talking about HT removing a few frames per seconds, well you can disable it. With a dual core, you will get also get less fps(true for equally priced intel parts, true for highend AMD parts). Yet you agree that DC is the way to go for the future...

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[theholylancer]

well dual core optimized software i belieive will run faster on read dual physical core machines, i mean think of DC as two person carry a aplitted weight so each carry less and each could go faster or carry more, while if this was used on HT machine its like giving the two load to two person while the two person is one the same (ummm well as best as i can put it...) so still only 1 person is doing the job.. maybe with the longer piplines this is good but i would say that a real DC would be the future IF the software segament really uses that much cpu power (eventually it will i believe) so for now its all the same, until software becomes more demanding with hardware, nothing will be changed (or at least sooooo little that you don;t notice it, i mean acheiving 130 fps is indiffernt than 80 fps to our eyes i think, unless ya count in the upgradeability part then...... amd would win because every upgrade do not require a new mobo, while with intel with the mobo ya have you can only go certain speeds....) until that day i guess nothing is gona be different and marketing scheme is the only thing that matters to the public, not the best bang for buck, not the best performance, only flashy wrappers.....

 

[Guest]

Well you are right my point was simply that HT serves a purpose, it does what its suppose to do really well! Dual is obviously a better way to multitask, but modern processor can do it rather well. Once again Dual core is more evolutionnary than revolutionnary!

As for the upgrade that is not perfectly valid. Amd did change platform albeit a little less often than Intel but changing platform si simply require to keep up with innovation. Amd will introdue M2 socket and a whole new platform in a bit more than 1 year...And socket A-->754-->939 now -->M2 was a rather fast transition...

Oh and flashy wrapper is tha shhhhhiiiittt!

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