DV vs Digital8...is size the biggest difference?

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On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:15:04 GMT, Tony <trusso11783@yahoo.com > wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:17:58 GMT, Mitch@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>>In my opinion, yes. It will.
>>>
>>
>>After reading more about the Canopus, this may be the way to go.
>>Although, my wife is hot and heavy to get a "tiny" camcorder, I can't
>>justify the cost of basically discarding my Hi8 camcorder plus the
>>cost of a new MiniDV.
>
>
>I have all of the equipment you are talking about in this thread. Hi8 Cam, Digital 8 cam, Mini DV
>cam, Canopus ADV-C100.
>
>Got the Digital 8 so I can transfer my old Hi8 and 8mm via firewire.
>Although I could have used the D8 Cam as a digital passthrough for my VHS and SVHS tapes, I went
>with the Canopus because it was a pain in the ass to connect the camera every time I wanted to do
>that.

Hooking up the D8 for transfering Hi8/Video8, OTOH, is the same as
hooking it up for digital tape. That is a nice plus. As well, it
seems to me that the Sony D8 playback of Hi8 is very good, no worries
about imperfect levels, and even some picture stabilization.

>As for buying a new D8, I would because they are down to the $300s now. They will play your Hi8 and
>8mm and you will not need the Canopus.

If you have a lot of 8mm/Hi8 videos you'd like to digitize, D8 is a
very economical solution. The camera isn't too expensive, making it a
fair option as a spare/second camera, even if you later on move to DV.

OTOH, if you're going to shoot all new videos on your new camcorder,
and don't have many or any Hi8 tapes to copy/reuse, DV is just as
good, and has more options in models.
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Mitch wrote:
>After reading more about the Canopus, this may be the way to go.
>Although, my wife is hot and heavy to get a "tiny" camcorder, I can't
>justify the cost of basically discarding my Hi8 camcorder plus the
>cost of a new MiniDV.

Lots of mini DV cameras can function like a Canopus for Analog/Digital
conversion. Most of the Sony dv cameras offer A/D and D/A. Sometimes called
analog pass thru.

Craig H.

 

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>Yes, disposable technology. I look back at what I spent for my first Color
>TV, VCR, digital watch, computers etc.

My 4-year old Sony DVD player just broke ($500) and I replaced it with
a $59 Sanyo from WalMart, and it has DTS, DD, and progressive scan
output, plays DVD+-R and RW, and MP3 CD's. Amazing.

 

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Tony wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:17:58 GMT, Mitch@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> In my opinion, yes. It will.
>>>
>>
>> After reading more about the Canopus, this may be the way to go.
>> Although, my wife is hot and heavy to get a "tiny" camcorder, I can't
>> justify the cost of basically discarding my Hi8 camcorder plus the
>> cost of a new MiniDV.
>
>
> I have all of the equipment you are talking about in this thread. Hi8
> Cam, Digital 8 cam, Mini DV cam, Canopus ADV-C100.
>
> Got the Digital 8 so I can transfer my old Hi8 and 8mm via firewire.
> Although I could have used the D8 Cam as a digital passthrough for my
> VHS and SVHS tapes, I went with the Canopus because it was a pain in
> the ass to connect the camera every time I wanted to do that.
>
> As for buying a new D8, I would because they are down to the $300s
> now. They will play your Hi8 and 8mm and you will not need the
> Canopus.
>
> Tony


Be advised that several of the newer D8s will NOT play back 8/Hi8. That's a
feature Sony is choosing to leave out, ostensibly to keep costs down.
Similar, I guess, to the lack of pass-through on several of the newer
mini-DV camcorders :-(

Mike

 

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Mitch@hotmail.com wrote:

>> An ADVC100 can be found in the $200 USD
>>range on Ebay and elsewhere.
>
>I haven't had a problem with the image quality of my camera.
>
>Would the Canopus get me the same quality as playing back an analog
>tape in a Digital8 camcorder and capturing it via Firewire?
>
>Thanks again for fielding my questions!

Hi Mitch,

I recomend you consider the Canopus ACEDVio card rather than the
ADVC100 box if you decide to go with an AD converter.

You are really unlikely to see any difference using a DV or Digital8
Camcorder or the ADVC100 in converting your Hi8 tapes, or in
converting your edited DV back to VHS. However, the ACEDVio card has
several important features that set it apart from the other three
methods. Through software, you can control Brightness, Contrast,
Saturation, Hue and Sharpness of the analog signal before it is
digitized. Since Hi8 tends to have dismal saturation and contrast,
(and your individual camcorder may have problems with any of the other
visual components of your video), it can make all the difference in
the world in the quality of the captured video to be able to tweak
those elements before you capture.

I increase the saturation and contrast of all my old Hi8 tapes as I
digitize them, and they were recorded on professional-grade ME tapes
and professional camcorders.

It is true that you can "fix" many pictute quality problems by using
video filters in the editing process. However, it is usually far
better to fix such things at the analog level before the picture is
ever digitized, because filters require re-encoding, which sooner or
later will lead to picture degredation in addition to the extended
rendering times.

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing basically wrong with the ADVC100,
but it is two generations down from the ACEDVio card and doesn't give
you any control of the video stream before it is digitized.

If you decide to go with the ACEDVio card, you can get it by itself or
bundled with Vegas or PremierePro/Audition/Encore. It also comes
bundled with the Let's Edit software but that is not a good deal since
Let's Edit is sorely lacking in basic usability features and it has no
upgrade path.

I've used many Analog to DV and back converting methods and by far the
ACEDVio is the best.

Hope this helps.

Susan

 

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>We'd like to spend no more than $600.
Sorry if this is OT but if you're not that bothered about the image
quality then a digital still camera with video feature may suit you.
I've stopped using my camcorder since I got a Canon A60.
It only allows clips up to 3mins each but with a 256Mb memory card you
can get quite few clips on.
However, as I said, the quality is rubbish compared with a camcorder
and it wont allow alteration of the zoom whilst recording. But I take
a few decent still shots around the clips for detail.
It's great for clandestine filming as most people assume it only takes
stills.
For example I managed to film my daughter playing the flute without
her realising - I'd no chance with a camcorder!

HTH

 

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I was just looking at camcorders at WalMart. They only have Sony and
JVC. I have to say, you get no sense of scale looking at pictures of
them on the internet. I had no idea just how TINY the MiniDV's are.

 

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On 13 Jun 2004 18:48:02 -0700, ed_frank@hotmail.com (Ed Frank) wrote:

> Right now
>Mini-Dv is by far a better choice than D8.


Thanks for the post.
I did alot of research over the weekend, and I'm leaning heavily
towards the Canon Elura 65. Now I'm just trying to find the best
price.

 

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<Mitch@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 13 Jun 2004 18:48:02 -0700, ed_frank@hotmail.com (Ed Frank) wrote:
>
> > Right now
> >Mini-Dv is by far a better choice than D8.
>
>
> Thanks for the post.
> I did alot of research over the weekend, and I'm leaning heavily
> towards the Canon Elura 65. Now I'm just trying to find the best
> price.

In my never ending research I ran into this thread with Collection of sample
media from Canon Elura 65. Thought you might be interested:

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&postid=77340#post77340

Rich