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"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> _R wrote:
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>>On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 02:59:54 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
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>>>You have it reversed. Most of the print head clogging complaints in this
>>>NG are from Epson owners and the majority in that universe are useing 3rd
>>>party ink.
>>>
>>
>>Hi Measekite,
>>
>>I haven't had a chance to compare Epson vs Canon re clogging. Your
>>cmment about 3rd party inks certainly makes sense. Just wanted to
>>point out the separate thread re my own experience with Canon: Some
>>of them evidently still use pigment-based blacks, or so I'm led to
>>believe. My own Canon i850's black nozzle clogged shortly after I
>>bought it (the 'warranty + 1 day' rule). The colors still work. This
>>shows up in color prints as white spots where there should be deep
>>black.
>>
>>The IP4000's additional 6E-series black cart is supposedly dye-based,
>>but for IP3000's and some others, the clogged black printhead would
>>still be as much a problem as a clogged head on an Epson.
>>
>>This is not an argument for/against either brand, but I'd love to know
>>if Epson's pigment-based nozzles clog more/less frequently than
>>Canon's black pigment nozzles. That's a stat we probably won't see.
>>
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> The IP3000 and the IP4000 both use BCI-6M, Y, C ink carts plus a
> BCI-3eBK. This is a pigment based black used for text.
> In addition, the IP4000 has an additional dye based black used for
> enhancing contrast in printing photos. The IP3000 mixes the black using
> CYM colors.
>
> I use Canon OEM ink that I purchased at Costco for $9.00 a cart. While
> expensive, I do not have any problems and I do have consistency from batch
> to batch.
As Manager of a retail operation in the UK which both refills oems carts,
sells our own compatibles containing both formulabs, OCP inks and oems. I
have over Fifteen years experience in this field and can see both sides of
the story......
Epson printers are renown for the uniqueness of their printheads, it is fair
to say that they have inherent problems due to this design.
The Epson Printhead when it works can produce excellent results,
unfortunately we come across many occasions when it doesn't work due to
blocking, whether the carts used are oem or 3rd party or refilled. Blocking
tends to occur due to a small number of reasons; Not using the printer for a
length of time (allowing the printhead to dry out), using completely empty
carts (can be done with older printers), air pockets in the carts (both new,
refilled and 3rd party) and removing the carts whilst going to purchase
replacements. These are a few of the causes for epson printhead blocks. 3rd
party inks, provided they are not of the generic kind, tend not to cause
many problems although the print quality may not be as good as specific
formulated inks or oems.
Canon Printheads have the same susceptibility to blocking from generic inks,
low usage, using with empty carts or leaving without carts for a length of
time as epson printers. Due to the nature of the printhead used the amount
of blocking tends to be less than epson. We find canon printheads easier to
clean out than epsons not least due to the ease with which the user can
remove them.
We find that our sales percentages are approx as follows; 60% refilling
customers own carts, 30% compatibles and 10% oems.
Provided the ink use in compatibles or refilling is specifically formulated
for the various carts and from reputable manufacturers such as OCP(europe),
and formulabs then the end user should have no problems. I either refill my
own canons or use our compatibles with no problems or discernable
differences in output quality.
I do not worry about fading, I can always re-print!
regards
Stick
"measekite" <measekite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2Z%9e.3942$J12.1329@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>
>
> _R wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 02:59:54 GMT, measekite <measekite@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You have it reversed. Most of the print head clogging complaints in this
>>>NG are from Epson owners and the majority in that universe are useing 3rd
>>>party ink.
>>>
>>
>>Hi Measekite,
>>
>>I haven't had a chance to compare Epson vs Canon re clogging. Your
>>cmment about 3rd party inks certainly makes sense. Just wanted to
>>point out the separate thread re my own experience with Canon: Some
>>of them evidently still use pigment-based blacks, or so I'm led to
>>believe. My own Canon i850's black nozzle clogged shortly after I
>>bought it (the 'warranty + 1 day' rule). The colors still work. This
>>shows up in color prints as white spots where there should be deep
>>black.
>>
>>The IP4000's additional 6E-series black cart is supposedly dye-based,
>>but for IP3000's and some others, the clogged black printhead would
>>still be as much a problem as a clogged head on an Epson.
>>
>>This is not an argument for/against either brand, but I'd love to know
>>if Epson's pigment-based nozzles clog more/less frequently than
>>Canon's black pigment nozzles. That's a stat we probably won't see.
>>
>
> The IP3000 and the IP4000 both use BCI-6M, Y, C ink carts plus a
> BCI-3eBK. This is a pigment based black used for text.
> In addition, the IP4000 has an additional dye based black used for
> enhancing contrast in printing photos. The IP3000 mixes the black using
> CYM colors.
>
> I use Canon OEM ink that I purchased at Costco for $9.00 a cart. While
> expensive, I do not have any problems and I do have consistency from batch
> to batch.
As Manager of a retail operation in the UK which both refills oems carts,
sells our own compatibles containing both formulabs, OCP inks and oems. I
have over Fifteen years experience in this field and can see both sides of
the story......
Epson printers are renown for the uniqueness of their printheads, it is fair
to say that they have inherent problems due to this design.
The Epson Printhead when it works can produce excellent results,
unfortunately we come across many occasions when it doesn't work due to
blocking, whether the carts used are oem or 3rd party or refilled. Blocking
tends to occur due to a small number of reasons; Not using the printer for a
length of time (allowing the printhead to dry out), using completely empty
carts (can be done with older printers), air pockets in the carts (both new,
refilled and 3rd party) and removing the carts whilst going to purchase
replacements. These are a few of the causes for epson printhead blocks. 3rd
party inks, provided they are not of the generic kind, tend not to cause
many problems although the print quality may not be as good as specific
formulated inks or oems.
Canon Printheads have the same susceptibility to blocking from generic inks,
low usage, using with empty carts or leaving without carts for a length of
time as epson printers. Due to the nature of the printhead used the amount
of blocking tends to be less than epson. We find canon printheads easier to
clean out than epsons not least due to the ease with which the user can
remove them.
We find that our sales percentages are approx as follows; 60% refilling
customers own carts, 30% compatibles and 10% oems.
Provided the ink use in compatibles or refilling is specifically formulated
for the various carts and from reputable manufacturers such as OCP(europe),
and formulabs then the end user should have no problems. I either refill my
own canons or use our compatibles with no problems or discernable
differences in output quality.
I do not worry about fading, I can always re-print!
regards
Stick
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