Endless Whispers and non-creature cards

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What happens when a card that is temporarily a creature (but is not a
creature card itself) goes to the graveyard while Endless Whispers is in
play?

Endless Whispers:

Each creature has "When this creature is put into a graveyard from play,
choose target opponent. That player puts this creature card from that
graveyard into play under his or her control at end of turn."

For example, Chimeric Egg:

Whenever an opponent plays a nonartifact spell, put a charge counter on
Chimeric Egg.
Remove three charge counters from Chimeric Egg: Chimeric Egg becomes a
6/6 artifact creature with trample until end of turn.

My confusion comes from the phrase "puts this CREATURE CARD" on Endless
Whispers. Clearly, the Egg won't be a creature card when it is in the
graveyard.

Similar issues abound for lots of other cards, Blinkmoth Nexus, Stalking
Stones, etc.

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Jeff Boes <jboes@qtm.net> wrote:

> What happens when a card that is temporarily a creature (but is not a
> creature card itself) goes to the graveyard while Endless Whispers is in
> play?

> My confusion comes from the phrase "puts this CREATURE CARD" on Endless
> Whispers. Clearly, the Egg won't be a creature card when it is in the
> graveyard.

It is referring to that particular card, even if it isn't creature at
that time.

202.2a If an ability of an object uses a phrase such as "this
[something]" to identify an object, where [something] is a category or
characteristic, it is referring to that particular object, even if it
isn't the appropriate category or characteristic at the time.
Example: An ability reads "Target creature gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
Destroy that creature at end of turn." The ability will destroy the
object it gave +2/+2 at the end of the turn, even if that object isn't a
creature anymore.
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 14:13:17 GMT, Jeff Boes <jboes@qtm.net> wrote:
>What happens when a card that is temporarily a creature (but is not a
>creature card itself) goes to the graveyard while Endless Whispers is in
>play?

It will come back, under an opponent's control (the one who you choose
as the target of EW's ability), at end of turn. It won't turn itself back
into a creature, it'll just come into play normally. (Though if some
global-ish continuous effect was responsible for it being a creature, such
as Living Plane or March of the Machines, and that effect is still around, it
may turn into a creature -again- from that effect.)

>My confusion comes from the phrase "puts this CREATURE CARD" on Endless
>Whispers. Clearly, the Egg won't be a creature card when it is in the
>graveyard.

It should have been just "this card", but I think they felt that would cause
people to get confused and wonder whether the _Endless Whispers_ was what
was being referred to. Tokens, of course, can't come back; the "this creature
card" is simply referring to what has the ability given by Endless Whispers.

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