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What's a little surprising in this case is that Apple didn't have more software and firmware locks in place to prevent things like this from happening.
Apple does sell 16GB RAM versions, with up to 2TB of storage. It's a bit obscene to see the upgrade prices, though -- $200 to go from 8GB to 16GB! And $400 to go from 256GB SSD to 1TB SSD -- or $800 for a 2TB SSD! Frankly, I don't get why anyone would ever pay Apple prices on stuff like this. Even a 2TB Samsung 980 Pro only costs $350, so Apple charges double what Samsung charges for its fastest SSD. smdh
 

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No, that’s not the reason. MacOS is the reason.
As someone who has used OS X since the switch from Classic 9, i'd disagree snd i'm typing my response from macOS Big Sur. MacOS is no longer the "cats meow" because others have caught up. I personally think Microsoft has done a better job with their OS verses Apple. Windows 10 is just as stable as macOS, the uptime would be insane for Windows if not for Microsoft's forced updates and i'm cool with that as it keeps the OS secure.

Linux is another great choice for those that just want to do the basics. Linux Mint looks and functions much like Windows. Then there's Ubuntu and my current favorite openSUSE.

So no, i'm not dissing macOS but that card of it's because of macOS, no longer holds water. It's just as quirky and buggy as any other mainstream OS. There are some things I like about macOS but Windows is killing it with its Windows to Xbox integration and Windows App store is better as well.
 
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Frankly, I don't get why anyone would ever pay Apple prices on stuff like this.
for me it’s because i don’t want to be bothered with going to another platform again. it already works for me so i stick with it. i don’t know if it’s brand loyalty or laziness. also the interoperability of all the devices is another draw for me. i already have the MacBook, iPad, iPhone, Apple Watch & Apple TV. i guess i’m already locked in to the ecosystem and i honestly don’t want to get out. it’s a personal choice which i’m willing to pay the premium price for.
 
No, that’s not the reason. MacOS is the reason.
That use to be the excuse for paying a premium for 2 year old hardware in a shiny new case.
Never understood it myself.
Pay extra for a locked OS, that tracks everything you do and reports it back to apple. Oh and if you disable the tracking and reporting you device no longer works.
At least with windows 10 and Android you can disable almost all of it and the OS still functions properly.
Don't take it wrong. I was one of the first group of people to figure out Microsoft's new business model with windows 10. Collect all of the data from your computer and sell it everyone who will buy it. Same as Apple has always been.
So I did not upgrade /Downgrade to windows 10 until extended support for win7 ended.
By that time people had figured out how to keep windows 10 from stealing all of you information. So moving to 10 was at least manageable.
My daughter and grand-kids are Apple everything and X Box.
So last Christmas I gave the oldest grandson a GAMING computer.
Asus hero 7 wi-fi
R7 2700x
16gig Gskill 3200 cas14
Asus GTX 1070 Dual white edition
WD 500 gig Blue ssd
1 TB WD black HD
2TB seagate 2.5 HD for backups
Corsair RM750x
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Daughter complains now that he doesn't use his new X-box or new I pad any more.:smilingimp:
 

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What's a little surprising in this case is that Apple didn't have more software and firmware locks in place to prevent things like this from happening.

I don't see why they need to..... firstly, not everyone knows where to get the right parts to perform such mods (not to mention skills required). Also, 16GB versions do exist. So, this is pretty much replacing the 8GB RAM chips with 16GB ones. Nothing out of the blue and you can't cheat.
 
That use to be the excuse for paying a premium for 2 year old hardware in a shiny new case.
Never understood it myself.
Pay extra for a locked OS, that tracks everything you do and reports it back to apple. Oh and if you disable the tracking and reporting you device no longer works.
At least with windows 10 and Android you can disable almost all of it and the OS still functions properly.
Don't take it wrong. I was one of the first group of people to figure out Microsoft's new business model with windows 10. Collect all of the data from your computer and sell it everyone who will buy it. Same as Apple has always been.
So I did not upgrade /Downgrade to windows 10 until extended support for win7 ended.
By that time people had figured out how to keep windows 10 from stealing all of you information. So moving to 10 was at least manageable.
My daughter and grand-kids are Apple everything and X Box.
So last Christmas I gave the oldest grandson a GAMING computer.
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Daughter complains now that he doesn't use his new X-box or new I pad any more.:smilingimp:
The problem with Apple fans is that they are part of an ecosystem that doesn't allow them to look elsewhere : once you're on Apple, you only see what Apple sells you (I almost said "give", but nothing's free with Apple) and they fill your head with stuff like this is a revolution, all new, all unique, this is only $ 999.95 etc. on their keynotes. Once it becomes normal that unlocking a feature costs $40, or that you must change your whole machine every 36 months because the latest OS update doesn't support it anymore or you must pay $150 to plug a cable back in at their "genius bar" and every one of your friends (who only have Apple themselves), then you think this is normal and you can't understand how those "Wintards" can bear to stay on a 5 yo PC full of viruses and slow as molasses.
But then you have to understand the mindset of most Apple customers : they don't want to be bothered with technical stuff - more than one button is already too complex, if paying a company to take away complexity is all that's needed, then they'll do it. They won't read heaps of documentation or grok forums looking for a solution to their problems, they'll simply pay for the problem to go away or to never have the problem in the first place!
If the problem is "my game doesn't run as fast as I want it to on my computer", then Apple makes the problem go away : you don't play on a Mac. Get an iPhone to play mobile games. Or get a console. Problem solved.
A long-time PC user has a different mindset:
  • if it doesn't work I'll ask someone to fix it for me (Mac users hardly do that; hardly a Mac user knows how to solve a tech problem on a Mac)
  • if I can't find anyone to fix it for me, I'll read the documentation and do it myself (since there is a LOT of it, chances are you'll find the solution)
  • if it's a hardware problem I'll change the faulty/underpowered part (you can't do that on a Mac, and since the M1-based ones came out, what you pay for is what you get)
Let's not mention the Linux user out there...
  • if it doesn't exist I'll write it myself! (actually you can do that on a Mac, but unlocking developer mode is a pain AFAIK)
 

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Apple does sell 16GB RAM versions, with up to 2TB of storage. It's a bit obscene to see the upgrade prices, though -- $200 to go from 8GB to 16GB! And $400 to go from 256GB SSD to 1TB SSD -- or $800 for a 2TB SSD! Frankly, I don't get why anyone would ever pay Apple prices on stuff like this. Even a 2TB Samsung 980 Pro only costs $350, so Apple charges double what Samsung charges for its fastest SSD. smdh
My biggest beef with Apple is how they lockdown their hardware and make it increasingly more difficult with each revision. The 2012 Mac Mini was easy to change out the basic parts like RAM and the HDD. They made it more difficult in 2014. In 2018 they made it insanely difficult where you felt like you were performing brain surgery. They preferred to milk the customer for the privilege of paying to have an Apple authorized service facility to upgrade your RAM. I did it myself and I had to be extra careful so as not to break something inside the PC. What gets me is that they like to play games because the Mac Mini from 2011-2020 uses the exact same case. They just like to make it a challenge to discourage you from doing any upgrades.

My other beef with Apple is that and i'm going to say it. They purposely like to under spec their baseline model in such a way that it almost forces you to buy the next model up. Call it skilled upselling if you will. But they have become masters at that game.

Their pricing has become for those that have "more money than sense". A $60,000 top specc'd Mac Pro that anyone can build those specs out for a 1/3 the price maybe even less. A $1000 monitor stand that's not included with an overpriced $6,000 monitor you can buy for a fraction of the price.

If someone is "PRO" Apple you can justify those antics and their business decisions. But if you are not a brand loyalist, those prices and their business model are enough to piss you off from wanting to deal with Apple. Again as someone who owns and uses Apple gear, it's nice but others have caught up and you can get much better specc'd hardware for far less money.

And too top it off, Apple gear is just pretty crappy to play any games on.
 

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Pay extra for a locked OS, that tracks everything you do and reports it back to apple. Oh and if you disable the tracking and reporting you device no longer works.
At least with windows 10 and Android you can disable almost all of it and the OS still functions properly.
It's funny you should mention that because Apple loyalists love to pick on Windows 10 for doing just that saying Microsoft is tracking and selling your data. And yet, if you go into the analytics settings on an iPad, it specifically "states" that if you disable Ad Tracking you will no longer have targeted Ads and you won't see less Ads, just generic Ads. So if I am to understand that, how are targeted Ads supposed to work if someone isn't selling and buying that data?

Hmm, that sounds a lot like what Google and Microsoft does. They seem to not understand that once you are on the Internet regardless of what brand you are using for a PC, Smartphone or any Mobile Device, you are being tracked and people are buying your data from the companies you bought the hardware from.

At least we know Google and Microsoft are doing it and you can disable most of that stuff but my problem is that Apple loves to take the "high road" but they are just as guilty as everyone else.
 
After seeing this article, I'm sure they'll add one soon enough.
I am 100% positive there are already there, but either they did not enable it as bait, and will lock pc's in next update OR they whitelisted brand x capacity and this dude used exactly what they are using. I hoped he installed 32GB ram or something that apple don't allow by themselves though.
No, that’s not the reason. MacOS is the reason.
That's true, only good things in mac's is the external build quality, (so average joe thinks internally its not burning manure, even if it smells like it when under load) and MacOS.
Software mac created is lower friction for a person who uses browser and writes documents/emails at best, which is liked by those who have no idea about computers in general.
Second part of MacOS is compatibility with linux stuff, so corporate can use a ton of tools and just work on what they need with absolute control over hardware.
Window$ does to many random craps in the background to be used like that, and linux is just to hard for many.
its JUST a perfect balance of corpo world, and minimal effort to use which wins them such fanbase.

apple user who tries windows cannot go though initial 1h configuration and how many actions you need to do there for basic stuff,
and if they try to go linux, they just cannot cope with number of manual steps to make env workable, (its also ugly in comparison)

TLDR, apple is not perfect but they found a niche, and that place is very defensible.
 
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As someone who has used OS X since the switch from Classic 9, i'd disagree snd i'm typing my response from macOS Big Sur. MacOS is no longer the "cats meow" because others have caught up. I personally think Microsoft has done a better job with their OS verses Apple. Windows 10 is just as stable as macOS, the uptime would be insane for Windows if not for Microsoft's forced updates and i'm cool with that as it keeps the OS secure.

Linux is another great choice for those that just want to do the basics. Linux Mint looks and functions much like Windows. Then there's Ubuntu and my current favorite openSUSE.

So no, i'm not dissing macOS but that card of it's because of macOS, no longer holds water. It's just as quirky and buggy as any other mainstream OS. There are some things I like about macOS but Windows is killing it with its Windows to Xbox integration and Windows App store is better as well.

Can't agree with that at all.

Windows certainly isn't as bad as it used to be (good built in multi-workspace support has made it at least usable for me these last few years) but Microsoft are still awful at UI design. OMG, how can anybody who's tried to change settings in Windows 10 stick up for that spawn of hell? It's an absolute nightmare! So many different places to change what seem like the same group of settings, finding the setting you want reminds me of the bit in The 12 Tasks of Asterix with the bureaucracy building.

Linux's (or at least Ubuntu's, that's all I've used recently) weaknesses tend to be in the same area, but are even worse than Windows'. Honestly I can't believe you'd suggest Ubuntu's up to the same level of usability as MacOS or even Windows (I dunno, maybe openSUSE just has a much, much better UI?). You still have settings split across many different interfaces, but this time you have to install some of those interfaces yourself! For example: setting your wallpaper to tiled - you have to install a whole separate programme just do so this, and you now have two completely separate programmes for managing your settings (and of course if you ever want to Google how to change settings the instructions you find won't tell you how to do it in the GUI, they'll all tell you to run something on the CLI, which in many cases can leave your GUI disconnected from the actual state of the system).

You've also got the whole snap vs .deb vs whatever-other-means-of-packaging-applications-exists issue. The built in Ubuntu App Store has two versions of multiple apps, which is a bad UX already in my book, but it gets worse. I've found snaps to be severely disjointed from the rest of the system - eg I use the snap version of Teams (horrible UI by the way Microsoft - why are all settings hidden away by a randomly positioned cog icon visible only on a certain tab?!), click a link, and instead of opening a new tab in the already running Firefox it opens a whole new instance of Firefox.

There are countless other examples like that (I still can't get my VPN working through the GUI, I just gave up on that and did it through the CLI - on Mac it just worked). I really want to like Ubuntu and say it's as ready for a normal user as Windows or MacOS, I've wanted this for decades) but I just can't. I even had my mum using it for a while but the amount of tech support she needed was insane, and most of the time I couldn't help over the phone, I had to go over there to troubleshoot (usually on the CLI). That never happens now she's got my old Mac.

Those issues just don't exist with Mac. It's simply easy to use.

Anyway, the bigger point is even if you disagree with everything I've just written, even if your experiences of the DEs differ from my own, you (or rather the person I replied to and the person they replied to) don't know why we (people who buy Macs, or indeed anybody who isn't you) make the choices we do. Saying "they're just buying it for the brand" makes you sound like an ignorant PCMR snob (I'm sure they're not, I've long been a fan of Jarred's writing (I was sad when he left PC Gamer), but such ignorant posts do sound that way). People should just accept that people prioritise different things.

Oh, and let's think rationally about how much it costs: the Mac I'm writing from right now is from 2011, so it's ten years old, so if we assume I'm going to upgrade tomorrow then I'm on a ten year upgrade cycle. I did replace its HDD with an SSD, and if there was a technical upgrade as great as that was in the next few years I probably wouldn't be able to do it with a modern Mac, so let's halve the lifespan and say I'll be on a five year upgrade cycle. Let's say a Mac costs £1,000 more than the Linux/Windows equivelent. That's £17 a month for the pleasure of using my preferred OS (with which I interact for many hours a day). Do people really think that an unreasonable use of my money?
 

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I am 100% positive there are already there, but either they did not enable it as bait, and will lock pc's in next update OR they whitelisted brand x capacity and this dude used exactly what they are using. I hoped he installed 32GB ram or something that apple don't allow by themselves though.

That's true, only good things in mac's is the external build quality, (so average joe thinks internally its not burning manure, even if it smells like it when under load) and MacOS.
Software mac created is lower friction for a person who uses browser and writes documents/emails at best, which is liked by those who have no idea about computers in general.
Second part of MacOS is compatibility with linux stuff, so corporate can use a ton of tools and just work on what they need with absolute control over hardware.
Window$ does to many random craps in the background to be used like that, and linux is just to hard for many.
its JUST a perfect balance of corpo world, and minimal effort to use which wins them such fanbase.

apple user who tries windows cannot go though initial 1h configuration and how many actions you need to do there for basic stuff,
and if they try to go linux, they just cannot cope with number of manual steps to make env workable, (its also ugly in comparison)

TLDR, apple is not perfect but they found a niche, and that place is very defensible.
That's my situation exactly. I have the best desktop environment for my day to day GUI work (and non-work :D), and I have a linux-compatible environment (especially with MacPorts and HomeBrew) for technical work.

To be fair, Windows has that weird built in Ubuntu thing too, but I found it far more painful to use than Mac. It's a while since I gave it a try, I think its integration with the rest of Windows filesystem was a bit fiddly, and I don't think the consoles were freely resizable either, but I may be misremembering.
 
What on earth are you talking about?
What you did not know that Apple gets a copy of everything you do on their devices. All your emails, contacts, design work, contracts, messages, pictures etc.......
Everything in your I Cloud backup belongs to them. You gave it to them and they can do whatever they wish to do with your information.
Just part of owning an Apple device.
 

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What you did not know that Apple gets a copy of everything you do on their devices. All your emails, contacts, design work, contracts, messages, pictures etc.......
Everything in your I Cloud backup belongs to them. You gave it to them and they can do whatever they wish to do with your information.
Just part of owning an Apple device.
Right, so I think what you’re referring to is the fact that iCloud backups aren’t end-to-end encrypted, meaning Apple holds the key and could theoretically access the data? True, but I’m afraid your extrapolation from that is nonsense for several reasons:
  1. It’s a backup service, it’s entirely optional on every Apple device.
  2. You can use it on Windows if you like.
  3. You could use a completely different backup service if you wanted to, the same issues would apply.
  4. At no point do you sign over ownership of your data to Apple, or even give them permission to read it. If I’m wrong show me the T&Cs where this happens.
  5. There is no indication at all (not even a rumour that I’m aware of) that Apple accesses your backups, and given the absolute furore that would ensue (both in the courts and the media) if they were found to do so, and given that their business model doesn’t rely on advertising or on mining personal data, it’s almost inconceivable that they would take that risk for no obvious reward.
Do you have any evidence for your accusations at all, or is it just something you were told by the person who sold you your tin foil hat?
 
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There are countless other examples like that (I still can't get my VPN working through the GUI, I just gave up on that and did it through the CLI - on Mac it just worked). I really want to like Ubuntu and say it's as ready for a normal user as Windows or MacOS, I've wanted this for decades) but I just can't. I even had my mum using it for a while but the amount of tech support she needed was insane, and most of the time I couldn't help over the phone, I had to go over there to troubleshoot (usually on the CLI). That never happens now she's got my old Mac.[...]
the 10 year old Mac thing does happen, but not that often, and with M1 coming out it will become rarer with Apple not intending to keep x86 emulation around for too long (they didn't when they migrated from Motorola 68K to PowerPC, nor did they when they migrated from PowerPC to x86, and I think the worst offender was when they went from x86-32 to x86-64).
VPN are finicky things: on my side it worked right away on both Linux and Windows (OpenVPN community client) but on OS XI had to use another client and that one just couldn't get an address from the DHCP; it would establish the tunnel and start the connexion, but no address came. It took a firmware update for the VPN server for it to work properly.
As for tech support, it happens less often on a Mac, indeed - but when it happens it's a PAIN. For simple user support, personally I use Teamviewer - no need to physically move to a computer when I can get control, solve the problem with a few clicks or a couple command lines, whether it's on a Windows, Linux or OS X machine.
I do recommend Apple machines for people who can't be bothered about learning how a computer works - if all they need is a hi-tech toaster and they have the cash to afford it, Apple is very good and let's face it, this does fit the needs of many people.
But, if you need any flexibility without breaking the bank, OS X is sub-par, Windows is good and <insert distro name here> Linux is top-notch.
 

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That’s the reason, but the brand isn’t even that good. So, what I’m saying is I don’t get how people convince themselves Apple is so great that its products are worth the massive price premium.

Agreed, but that's what happens when you have cult like devotion to a brand name. If there's one thing to say for Apple, it's their marketing.
 

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As for tech support, it happens less often on a Mac, indeed - but when it happens it's a PAIN. For simple user support, personally I use Teamviewer - no need to physically move to a computer when I can get control, solve the problem with a few clicks or a couple command lines, whether it's on a Windows, Linux or OS X machine.
I do recommend Apple machines for people who can't be bothered about learning how a computer works - if all they need is a hi-tech toaster and they have the cash to afford it, Apple is very good and let's face it, this does fit the needs of many people.
But, if you need any flexibility without breaking the bank, OS X is sub-par, Windows is good and <insert distro name here> Linux is top-notch.
Editing config files and installing stuff through the CLI is not what “learning how to use a computer” means in the 21st century. Sorry, but if that is necessary, which it frequently is on Ubuntu, then that OS is not ready for most users, it’s as simple as that. To be a suitable replacement for MacOS (or even Windows, despite it’s maze of a settings interface) Linux needs a top notch UI that’s consistent and can do everything you need to set up, use and troubleshoot your computer. Can you honestly say it has that, or do you not believe that’s necessary for a modern computer?

I do like TeamViewer, but if the problem is with her network connection, or if you need to turn things off, login with different users or into different modes etc it’s not an option. Sometimes there’s no substitute for being there, unfortunately.

I’ve never quite understood the complaint about flexibility on Mac. I can install what I want from where I want, it’s not iOS (yet). They certainly are expensive, of course.
 

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Agreed, but that's what happens when you have cult like devotion to a brand name. If there's one thing to say for Apple, it's their marketing.
In my experience there’s more cult like devotion amongst Apple bashers. Take this thread for example. On the one hand you’ve got people making unsubstantiated claims about the motivations of people buying certain products, on the other hand you’ve got me making a clear rational case for why spending £17 a month to use my preferred operating system (with which I interact for hours at a time every day) is a (subjectively) good use of my money.
 
Editing config files and installing stuff through the CLI is not what “learning how to use a computer” means in the 21st century. Sorry, but if that is necessary, which it frequently is on Ubuntu, then that OS is not ready for most users, it’s as simple as that. To be a suitable replacement for MacOS (or even Windows, despite it’s maze of a settings interface) Linux needs a top notch UI that’s consistent and can do everything you need to set up, use and troubleshoot your computer. Can you honestly say it has that, or do you not believe that’s necessary for a modern computer?

I do like TeamViewer, but if the problem is with her network connection, or if you need to turn things off, login with different users or into different modes etc it’s not an option. Sometimes there’s no substitute for being there, unfortunately.

I’ve never quite understood the complaint about flexibility on Mac. I can install what I want from where I want, it’s not iOS (yet). They certainly are expensive, of course.
Funny, as editing config files was what I needed to do to use a HTML signature on... Mac OS. On Ubuntu, it was point and click.
By your own account, Mac OS X is not ready either.
I use the command line on Ubuntu and Windows because it's faster. But there is no need to do that for day to day use.
Except when I need a nice signature on Apple Mail.