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Lizard wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:28:06 +1100, "Highlandish"
> <ckreskay_CURSEING@dodo.com.au> wrotC😀RIVE_E
>
>
>>LOL, I even stayed up for the second movie, some weird lizard alien landed
>>and died, a guy picked up the alien talisman and wore it on his chest, it
>>melded with him and he went on a rampage with the alien laser gun until he
>>was hunted down and killed.
>
>
> This would be 'Laserblast', which has the distinct honour(?) of being
> the last movie MSTed.

I actually own that movie ;-) It was pretty awful. I made Ator look
like it should have won an Academy Award.
 
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Thusly Troll <newstroll@shaw.ca> Spake Unto All:

>How about letting Peter Jackson take a stab at Timothy Zahn's SW trilogy?

Heck yes.

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Mean_Chlorine wrote:

> Thusly Troll <newstroll@shaw.ca> Spake Unto All:
>
>
>>How about letting Peter Jackson take a stab at Timothy Zahn's SW trilogy?
>
>
> Heck yes.

If only Lucas would have let Zahn write the prequels...
 
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Alfie [UK] wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:45:23 -0000, "Morgan Sales"
> <msales.DIESPAMMER@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> The only real problem I've ever had with the franchise is that Lucas
> should stop trying to have so much input on the dialog and let a decent
> script writer at it, but I doubt that will ever happen.
>

"Yipee!"

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:20:48 +0100, Mean_Chlorine
<mike_noren2002@NOSPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>Thusly "Alfie [UK]" <me@privacy.net> Spake Unto All:
>
>>I think the problem most of the older fans have is that they grew up
>>with it, as pre-teen or young teenage boys, from when Ep IV came out (I
>>was seven).
>>
>>Lucas was aiming at the pre-teen/young teen market from the start and
>>has continued in that vein, maybe lowering the age-sight a little, and
>>the older fans feel that the franchise hasn't grown with them.
>
>But the thing is, if you see Ep. IV and (first half of) V today,
>they're still more mature and have more humour than Ep I and II.
>To a degree it's that Lucas was restrained by budget and lack of CG
>back then, but it's also fairly obvious that there were other people
>moderating him, keeping IV and V from becoming at once childish and
>pretentious, like I and II are.
>

I think Kirschner and whoever directed Jedi had alot to do with making
the plots darker. Too bad Lucas didn't decide, or was forced, to let
sopmeone else direct.

Lynley
 
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:36:15 GMT, "JWB"
<jwb3333__removethissection__@excite.com> wrote:

>"James Garvin" <jgarvin2004@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:INKdnTEPrrWxq6LfRVn-hw@comcast.com...

>> While I hate to see my childhood destroyed by someone who doesn't even
>> understand the Star Wars Universe (Lucas has created so many plot holes it
>> is just stupid), I do think that Lucas isn't aiming at the fans, he wants
>> new fans that will buy the action figures and kitsch that go along with
>> the movies.

>He aimed the first trilogy at kids. He's aiming the second one at kids.
>What's the problem?

TESB wasn't aimed at kids, and I'd argue Star Wars was more an all
ages film rather than explicitly for kids. I still watch and enjoy it
greatly now, I can't do that with ROTJ, TPM or AOTC.
 
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"Ian Galbraith" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:36:15 GMT, "JWB"
> <jwb3333__removethissection__@excite.com> wrote:
>
>>"James Garvin" <jgarvin2004@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:INKdnTEPrrWxq6LfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
>
>>> While I hate to see my childhood destroyed by someone who doesn't even
>>> understand the Star Wars Universe (Lucas has created so many plot holes
>>> it
>>> is just stupid), I do think that Lucas isn't aiming at the fans, he
>>> wants
>>> new fans that will buy the action figures and kitsch that go along with
>>> the movies.
>
>>He aimed the first trilogy at kids. He's aiming the second one at kids.
>>What's the problem?
>
> TESB wasn't aimed at kids,

*cough* Yoda *cough*
 
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JWB wrote:

> "Ian Galbraith" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:meav319j9riaunqeqaf4jqo5i66vpt4ucp@4ax.com...
>
>>On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:36:15 GMT, "JWB"
>><jwb3333__removethissection__@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"James Garvin" <jgarvin2004@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:INKdnTEPrrWxq6LfRVn-hw@comcast.com...
>>
>>>>While I hate to see my childhood destroyed by someone who doesn't even
>>>>understand the Star Wars Universe (Lucas has created so many plot holes
>>>>it
>>>>is just stupid), I do think that Lucas isn't aiming at the fans, he
>>>>wants
>>>>new fans that will buy the action figures and kitsch that go along with
>>>>the movies.
>>
>>>He aimed the first trilogy at kids. He's aiming the second one at kids.
>>>What's the problem?
>>
>>TESB wasn't aimed at kids,
>
>
> *cough* Yoda *cough*

For kids he is, yes...
 
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Quoth The Raven "Lizard"<lizard@mrlizard.com> in
0neu31l82p63a4fr3bspkk3h21sicusbjq@4ax.com
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:42:04 +1100, "Highlandish"
> <ckreskay_CURSEING@dodo.com.au> wrotC😀RIVE_E
>
>>each year 12yo's are getting smarter than the previous
>>generation.
>
> Uhm...what?
>
> Look at 6th grade reading books from 1850. Then look at what 6th
> graders today are expected to (but usually can't) read.
>
> Twelve year olds are getting DUMBER. Way dumber. Time was, at 12, you
> were almost an adult -- you'd be married in a few years and expected
> to support your new family. Today, people are not expected to 'grow
> up' until their mid to late 20s.
>
> 'Jaded' is not 'smarter'.


must be an American thing for you guys, its smarter in Australia

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Darrel Hoffman typed:
> The guy who directed Ep IV is, well, slightly dead.

(LOL!) ;-)

And yet he keeps making them... maybe that explains it,
Lucas is actually a zombie of some sort. ;-)


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"mec'devil" <delusions@fools.paradise.net.nz> writes:

> And yet he keeps making them... maybe that explains it,
> Lucas is actually a zombie of some sort. ;-)

Yes, I think the person you responded to was thinking of Richard
Marquand, the director of Ep. VI: RotJ. He died in 1987.
 
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> > And yet he keeps making them... maybe that explains it,
> > Lucas is actually a zombie of some sort. ;-)
>
> Yes, I think the person you responded to was thinking of Richard
> Marquand, the director of Ep. VI: RotJ. He died in 1987.

Oops, of course I meant VI, not IV. Damn roman numerals. Was copying what
was written in the original post. But it's actually kind of a funny slip-up
when you think about it...
 
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:57:51 GMT, Troll <newstroll@shaw.ca> wrote:

>Alfie [UK] wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:45:23 -0000, "Morgan Sales"
>> <msales.DIESPAMMER@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>>You can't really say that Lucas doesn't understand the franchise seeing as
>>>he wrote the bloody films.
>>>
>>
>> I think the problem most of the older fans have is that they grew up
>> with it, as pre-teen or young teenage boys, from when Ep IV came out (I
>> was seven).
>>
>> Lucas was aiming at the pre-teen/young teen market from the start and
>> has continued in that vein, maybe lowering the age-sight a little, and
>> the older fans feel that the franchise hasn't grown with them.
>>
>> Lucas never intended that it should grow up. If you ever saw any of the
>> interviews with him back then (1977) he talked about it exactly the same
>> way as he does now about the new films, like he's pitching to 8-14 year
>> olds. All he's done is update his original story ideas using current
>> technological abilities to turn it into movies, and in the differences
>> between Original and Special Editions of Eps IV-VI you can see how he
>> had to scale his original ideas back because of technological
>> constraints.
>>
>> I think any hints of the darker side, or the more adult humour, came
>> mostly from the actors themselves, particularly Harrison Ford, who
>> supposedly liked to 'do things his way' once he became Hollywood
>> hot-property and realised that he had some clout.
>>
>> The only real problem I've ever had with the franchise is that Lucas
>> should stop trying to have so much input on the dialog and let a decent
>> script writer at it, but I doubt that will ever happen.
>>
>
>That would also help to avoid unnecessary (and mind-bogglingly stupid)
>items like metachlorians (sp?) and a political system that has an
>elected monarchy (?!?) where 14 year olds are the most compelling
>candidates (one suspects that maybe the Gungans are *not* the dumbest
>things that walk on two legs on Naboo). IMO, those all make the "it's
>the ship that did the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs" line look like it
>was written by Stephen Hawking.

I thought that line had been explained. Something about it not being a
accidental use of a measurement of distance used in place of one of time but
that the Kessel run was something you could navigate i.e. you could take
different routes from London to Cambridge.
 
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"Lizard" <lizard@mrlizard.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:28:06 +1100, "Highlandish"
> <ckreskay_CURSEING@dodo.com.au> wrotC😀RIVE_E
>
>>LOL, I even stayed up for the second movie, some weird lizard alien landed
>>and died, a guy picked up the alien talisman and wore it on his chest, it
>>melded with him and he went on a rampage with the alien laser gun until he
>>was hunted down and killed.
>
> This would be 'Laserblast', which has the distinct honour(?) of being
> the last movie MSTed.

The last movie in season 7. There were three more seasons after that.
Diabolik was the last one.
 
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James Garvin <jgarvin2004@comcast.net> once tried to test me with:

>> The thing is Jar Jar as written might not have been so frickin'
>> annoying. What was annoying about him was his stupid, irritating,
>> grating voice. Had they not made it sound so stupid and aweful, I
>> might have been able to just safely ignore Jar Jar. But no. You hear
>> it. You can't help but hear it. And hearing it leads to hate. I can
>> feel my anger.
>
> Hate is the path to the dark side. Once you travel down the dark side
> you can disembowel Jar Jar and catch "Ani" on fire! WOOOO!!

Actually this is the reason that I want to get Star Wars Battlefront when
it gets under $20 so I can run around and blow away Gungans and Ewoks.

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Quoth The Raven "Lizard"<lizard@mrlizard.com> in
av8041t4h6bbmoe0eibgo5h7jmsmieonj2@4ax.com
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:28:06 +1100, "Highlandish"
> <ckreskay_CURSEING@dodo.com.au> wrotC😀RIVE_E
>
>>LOL, I even stayed up for the second movie, some weird lizard alien
>>landed and died, a guy picked up the alien talisman and wore it on
>>his chest, it melded with him and he went on a rampage with the alien
>>laser gun until he was hunted down and killed.
>
> This would be 'Laserblast', which has the distinct honour(?) of being
> the last movie MSTed.

lol, that's the one

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On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:57:51 GMT, Troll wrote:

<snip>
> That would also help to avoid unnecessary (and mind-bogglingly stupid)
> items like metachlorians (sp?) and a political system that has an
> elected monarchy (?!?) where 14 year olds are the most compelling
> candidates (one suspects that maybe the Gungans are *not* the dumbest
> things that walk on two legs on Naboo). IMO, those all make the "it's
> the ship that did the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs" line look like it
> was written by Stephen Hawking.
Hmmm well then maybe we should do a study of the relative intelligence of
the caucasian looking humanoids on Naboo versus the big floppy eared
reptilian bipeds on Naboo.... oh yeah..... it's a movie!!!

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3/23/2005 8:31:11 AM

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Memnoch wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:57:51 GMT, Troll <newstroll@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>Alfie [UK] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:45:23 -0000, "Morgan Sales"
>>><msales.DIESPAMMER@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>You can't really say that Lucas doesn't understand the franchise seeing as
>>>>he wrote the bloody films.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I think the problem most of the older fans have is that they grew up
>>>with it, as pre-teen or young teenage boys, from when Ep IV came out (I
>>>was seven).
>>>
>>>Lucas was aiming at the pre-teen/young teen market from the start and
>>>has continued in that vein, maybe lowering the age-sight a little, and
>>>the older fans feel that the franchise hasn't grown with them.
>>>
>>>Lucas never intended that it should grow up. If you ever saw any of the
>>>interviews with him back then (1977) he talked about it exactly the same
>>>way as he does now about the new films, like he's pitching to 8-14 year
>>>olds. All he's done is update his original story ideas using current
>>>technological abilities to turn it into movies, and in the differences
>>>between Original and Special Editions of Eps IV-VI you can see how he
>>>had to scale his original ideas back because of technological
>>>constraints.
>>>
>>>I think any hints of the darker side, or the more adult humour, came
>>>mostly from the actors themselves, particularly Harrison Ford, who
>>>supposedly liked to 'do things his way' once he became Hollywood
>>>hot-property and realised that he had some clout.
>>>
>>>The only real problem I've ever had with the franchise is that Lucas
>>>should stop trying to have so much input on the dialog and let a decent
>>>script writer at it, but I doubt that will ever happen.
>>>
>>
>>That would also help to avoid unnecessary (and mind-bogglingly stupid)
>>items like metachlorians (sp?) and a political system that has an
>>elected monarchy (?!?) where 14 year olds are the most compelling
>>candidates (one suspects that maybe the Gungans are *not* the dumbest
>>things that walk on two legs on Naboo). IMO, those all make the "it's
>>the ship that did the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs" line look like it
>>was written by Stephen Hawking.
>
>
> I thought that line had been explained. Something about it not being a
> accidental use of a measurement of distance used in place of one of time but
> that the Kessel run was something you could navigate i.e. you could take
> different routes from London to Cambridge.

Right. The idea is that there is a black hole near Kessel. If you do
it in 12 parsecs you come awfully close the the black hole...Usually the
Kessel run in 16 parsecs.
 
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JWB wrote:

> "Lizard" <lizard@mrlizard.com> wrote in message
> news:av8041t4h6bbmoe0eibgo5h7jmsmieonj2@4ax.com...
>
>>On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 18:28:06 +1100, "Highlandish"
>><ckreskay_CURSEING@dodo.com.au> wrotC😀RIVE_E
>>
>>
>>>LOL, I even stayed up for the second movie, some weird lizard alien landed
>>>and died, a guy picked up the alien talisman and wore it on his chest, it
>>>melded with him and he went on a rampage with the alien laser gun until he
>>>was hunted down and killed.
>>
>>This would be 'Laserblast', which has the distinct honour(?) of being
>>the last movie MSTed.
>
>
> The last movie in season 7. There were three more seasons after that.
> Diabolik was the last one.

I'm surprised Uwe, The Toilet, Boll didn't direct that stinker...
 
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Knight37 wrote:

> James Garvin <jgarvin2004@comcast.net> once tried to test me with:
>
>
>>>The thing is Jar Jar as written might not have been so frickin'
>>>annoying. What was annoying about him was his stupid, irritating,
>>>grating voice. Had they not made it sound so stupid and aweful, I
>>>might have been able to just safely ignore Jar Jar. But no. You hear
>>>it. You can't help but hear it. And hearing it leads to hate. I can
>>>feel my anger.
>>
>>Hate is the path to the dark side. Once you travel down the dark side
>>you can disembowel Jar Jar and catch "Ani" on fire! WOOOO!!
>
>
> Actually this is the reason that I want to get Star Wars Battlefront when
> it gets under $20 so I can run around and blow away Gungans and Ewoks.

Agreed. The sooner Battlefront hits the bargain bins, the sooner I kill
all the gungans!!
 
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RJB wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 05:57:51 GMT, Troll wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>That would also help to avoid unnecessary (and mind-bogglingly stupid)
>>items like metachlorians (sp?) and a political system that has an
>>elected monarchy (?!?) where 14 year olds are the most compelling
>>candidates (one suspects that maybe the Gungans are *not* the dumbest
>>things that walk on two legs on Naboo). IMO, those all make the "it's
>>the ship that did the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs" line look like it
>>was written by Stephen Hawking.
>
> Hmmm well then maybe we should do a study of the relative intelligence of
> the caucasian looking humanoids on Naboo versus the big floppy eared
> reptilian bipeds on Naboo.... oh yeah..... it's a movie!!!

You forgot about the token black guard...
 
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James Garvin wrote:
> JWB wrote:
>
>> *cough* Yoda *cough*
>
> For kids he is, yes...

Yoda's just a Star Wars version of the 'eccentric Sage' archetype. If he
was for kids, he would've had googly eyes and a collection of dead-fish
boomerangs.

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Cataleptic wrote:
> James Garvin wrote:
>
>> JWB wrote:
>>
>>> *cough* Yoda *cough*
>>
>>
>> For kids he is, yes...
>
>
> Yoda's just a Star Wars version of the 'eccentric Sage' archetype. If he
> was for kids, he would've had googly eyes and a collection of dead-fish
> boomerangs.

Dead fish boomerangs????
 
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"James Garvin" <jgarvin2004@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Cataleptic wrote:
> > James Garvin wrote:
> >
> >> JWB wrote:
> >>
> >>> *cough* Yoda *cough*
> >>
> >>
> >> For kids he is, yes...
> >
> >
> > Yoda's just a Star Wars version of the 'eccentric Sage' archetype. If he
> > was for kids, he would've had googly eyes and a collection of dead-fish
> > boomerangs.
>
> Dead fish boomerangs????

The Swedish Chef, I think (Muppet Show).

RelMark
 
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Memnoch wrote:

> I thought that line had been explained. Something about it not being a
> accidental use of a measurement of distance used in place of one of time but
> that the Kessel run was something you could navigate i.e. you could take
> different routes from London to Cambridge.

Whether it was originally intended this way or not, I don't know, but
it's been explained as follows (at
http://www.nitpickers.com/movies/nitpick.cgi?np=495): "the Kessel Run is
the 18-parsec route around the Maw cluster of black holes used by
smugglers to evade Imperial ships that restrict the shipment of
glitterstim ("spice" - mined on kessel) - smugglers try to shave time
off the route by finding a path closer to the Maw - which requires, as
had been mentioned, higher speed to escape the gravitational pull - a
short route demonstrates both speed and navigational skill. Han holds
the record for the kessel run with a full load, at 11.5 parsecs."

Apparently it's in the commentary on the A New Hope DVD, by Lucas
himself. I don't really mind if it is made up after the fact, it's good
enough for me to suspend disbelief 🙂

Cheers,
Grant
 
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