News EU Official: Semiconductor Independence Is Impossible

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Maybe they should make it a more attractive place to do business.
This statement is completely irrelevant to the issue and, might I add, usually just an excuse to make things worse for workers and/or consumers. They already have businesses of their own and don't need to become a picture of crony capitalism run amok like we have in the US.

I'm glad to see Margrethe Vestager understands the complexities of the issue. Although it would be best to spread out production to different regions, it is unlikely and impractical to be completely independent from the global economy - especially when it comes to modern chip production.
 

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If you spend the lion share of tax take on "social issues" there is nothing left for moving humanity forward. This truth often escapes hardcore socialists, who think current status quo is the peak of human scientific and technological development, and we should concentrate our efforts on distributing* the fruit of what we have already achieved. Further advancement has been left for China, Korea, Taiwan to work on.

This can only last so long, until the advantage we have created in XIX and XX centuries evaporates, and we will become colonies of the more technologically advanced nations. Best get your children to learn Chinese quick, they will need it to better serve their new overlords in a few decades time.

(*) no one has figured out yet how to distribute without creating massive corruption proportional to the amounts distributed
 
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If you spend the lion share of tax take on "social issues" there is nothing left for moving humanity forward. This truth often escapes hardcore socialists, who think current status quo is the peak of human scientific and technological development, and we should concentrate our efforts on distributing* the fruit of what we have already achieved. Further advancement has been left for China, Korea, Taiwan to work on.

This can only last so long, until the advantage we have created in XIX and XX centuries evaporates, and we will become colonies of the more technologically advanced nations. Best get your children to learn Chinese quick, they will need it to better serve their new overlords in a few decades time.

(*) no one has figured out yet how to distribute without creating massive corruption proportional to the amounts distributed
Meanwhile German Industry beats all US industry ... you are living in debts and your country will collapse without bullying other nations resources .
 

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This statement is completely irrelevant to the issue and, might I add, usually just an excuse to make things worse for workers and/or consumers. They already have businesses of their own and don't need to become a picture of crony capitalism run amok like we have in the US.

I'm glad to see Margrethe Vestager understands the complexities of the issue. Although it would be best to spread out production to different regions, it is unlikely and impractical to be completely independent from the global economy - especially when it comes to modern chip production.
The EU makes the mafia look like small potatoes when it comes to running a protection racket.
 

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In my opinion, this is true. In the first place, countries are outsourcing for 2 reasons, (1) price, and, (2)expertise. Foundry business typically don't sit in EU, and not in big numbers as compared to the likes of US, Taiwan, and China. Cost of manufacturing in EU is typically higher, even though they have some nations within EU that isn't that expensive. However, the second problem is expertise, which they will not be able to overcome in the short term.
 
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Unlike the USA, Russia, and China the EU has no real military. Seeing how the EU has no military their opinion means nothing in the real scheme of things.
Really? For global conflicts there is NATO. Each european country has their own army to defend in case of local conflicts. But thanks to EU, that arose from industral/resource trade agreement, there was no war here. And there wont be, at least between EU countries. While Ukraine is not part of EU, it is a perfect example how a relatively small country can defend itself from a much stronger aggressor. Granted, they got a lot of support from western europe.
For your information, so called EU military is in works. Not to mention that real cooperation, common trainings, information exchange between countries have been going on for the last 30 years.
 

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If you spend the lion share of tax take on "social issues" there is nothing left for moving humanity forward. This truth often escapes hardcore socialists, who think current status quo is the peak of human scientific and technological development, and we should concentrate our efforts on distributing* the fruit of what we have already achieved. Further advancement has been left for China, Korea, Taiwan to work on.

This can only last so long, until the advantage we have created in XIX and XX centuries evaporates, and we will become colonies of the more technologically advanced nations. Best get your children to learn Chinese quick, they will need it to better serve their new overlords in a few decades time.

(*) no one has figured out yet how to distribute without creating massive corruption proportional to the amounts distributed
But this distribution does work. Better or worse, the corruption you mention is a minimal problem in most of EU countries. Lion share is not spent on "social issuess" but rather on "social needs" like education, healthcare, social security. Americas and Asia in general are years behind in this area. And its europe again on the first line on the most demanding issue of all today - climate change - in terms of initiative, technology, actual conversion of the economy.
 

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But this distribution does work. Better or worse, the corruption you mention is a minimal problem in most of EU countries. Lion share is not spent on "social issuess" but rather on "social needs" like education, healthcare, social security. Americas and Asia in general are years behind in this area. And its europe again on the first line on the most demanding issue of all today - climate change - in terms of initiative, technology, actual conversion of the economy.
The climate has been changing for billions of years ... just ask the dinosaurs. All those bird killing windmills western Europeans love so much do a big nothing hence the reason western Europeans pushed Nord Stream pipelines even after eastern Europeans begged them not to go through with it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream
 

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The climate has been changing for billions of years ... just ask the dinosaurs. All those bird killing windmills western Europeans love so much do a big nothing hence the reason western Europeans pushed Nord Stream pipelines even after eastern Europeans begged them not to go through with it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream
BBC did a right thing when they declared that climate change denials will not be invited to their programmes, due to the fact that right to believe what one wants to believe and free of speech does not mandate spreading BS. That it's their resposibility to present science based opinions. Sooo... let me respond to nord stream only.

I'm from one of these countries that loose a lot by that pipe, as it goes around us. Why? Because we had <Mod Edit> politicians that could had made Poland a part of that deal. Ukraine looses even more. The fact is that Europe does not have enough gas resources and has to import it, and the easiest way is from Russia. True, that is dangerous for several reasons. Note, that Russia needs that deal as well, maybe even more that Europe. Their economy is crap and cannot support Putin's visions of supremacy, not even accounting the need to sustain the current social level.
 
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BBC did a right thing when they declared that climate change denials will not be invited to their programmes, due to the fact that right to believe what one wants to believe and free of speech does not mandate spreading BS. That it's their resposibility to present science based opinions. Sooo... let me respond to nord stream only.

I'm from one of these countries that loose a lot by that pipe, as it goes around us. Why? Because we had <Mod Edit>{/b] politicians that could had made Poland a part of that deal. Ukraine looses even more. The fact is that Europe does not have enough gas resources and has to import it, and the easiest way is from Russia. True, that is dangerous for several reasons. Note, that Russia needs that deal as well, maybe even more that Europe. Their economy is crap and cannot support Putin's visions of supremacy, not even accounting the need to sustain the current social level.

Nobody is denying climate change .. again the climate has been changing for billions of years.
 
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Unlike the USA, Russia, and China the EU has no real military. Seeing how the EU has no military their opinion means nothing in the real scheme of things.
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." Mark Twain, talking about WhyMe...
 

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Meanwhile German Industry beats all US industry ... you are living in debts and your country will collapse without bullying other nations resources .
Awesome... Europe has figured out how take care of themselves finally and the US can finally stop being the world policeman and bodyguard. I am all for that. Just don't forget to bend over for Pooty Putin when he stops your gas cause you aren't paying enough or because you looked at him wrong.
 
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Unlike the USA, Russia, and China the EU has no real military. Seeing how the EU has no military their opinion means nothing in the real scheme of things.
Individual nations within the EU have arguably better equipment then the US at this point. The Leopard 2 tank would have the M1 Abrams for breakfast, the Eurofighter/Rafael match up well with the F-16, and so on.
 
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