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flervk :
heh, final update:
apparently, all that was needed was changing DRAM voltage to 1.6V, as suggested by Mongox in the very first reply.
For some strange reason, I tried everything else (what others mentioned) but that.
all is fine now, not a single restart since yesterday morning, and I'm very happy.
anyway, thank you all for your help
cheers!
apparently, all that was needed was changing DRAM voltage to 1.6V, as suggested by Mongox in the very first reply.
For some strange reason, I tried everything else (what others mentioned) but that.
all is fine now, not a single restart since yesterday morning, and I'm very happy.
anyway, thank you all for your help
cheers!
Time wasn't wasted because you learned a lot about your system. And others reading will benefit too.
Glad you got it all working and good luck.
I reviewed the whole thread and still laughed when I read again your post about your computer exploding!! :lol:
I think making a blanket statement from a benchtest result might be confusing for a new person who's having issues.
There are benchtest results and then there are real world results.
Yes I go by benchmark results like the next guy and Tom's hardware site has some of the best.
However to say there is no,zip,nadda difference between 11080 and 1333 is not true.
I have used my 1600 ram in 1080,1333, and 1600 and I can guarantee you that in several applications, things definitely moved faster with 1600 and 1333 than they did in 1080. Granted 1080 is what the new ram controller in the i7 series is set at by Intel but that doesn't mean you can't safely adjust your ram to run at 1333 or 1600 or even 2000.
I would have to laugh very hard and mock you constantly if you said there was no difference between 2000 ram and 1080, which if you were to follow your logic to its conclusion you would have to say.
just my honest, humble opinion.
Ok i read the rest of the 2 page ongoing debate and i'll take back my previous comment. I read your comment wrong.
I find it amazing though that nobody caught that this guy said in his first post that he was running quite a bit more voltage than the specs mandated.
You run too much voltage through the new lower voltage ram and you'll fry your ram, cpu, and quite possibly your motherboard in one quick fell swoop.
Not much fun if you've just spent 1600 on parts like i just did. I plan on keep that voltage reading at the oem spec myself. call me a chicken but i'll be laughin when anyone who doesn't is going to buy new ram, mobo and cpu prematurely.
I find it amazing though that nobody caught that this guy said in his first post that he was running quite a bit more voltage than the specs mandated.
You run too much voltage through the new lower voltage ram and you'll fry your ram, cpu, and quite possibly your motherboard in one quick fell swoop.
Not much fun if you've just spent 1600 on parts like i just did. I plan on keep that voltage reading at the oem spec myself. call me a chicken but i'll be laughin when anyone who doesn't is going to buy new ram, mobo and cpu prematurely.
bilbat
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Well, since my last (Sept '09, I think) post to this topic, I have seen a boatload of similar problems, sharing one of two items: socket pins (dozens and dozens of them), damaged by mishandling when installing CPUs, and - memory problems, never ever at speeds 1333 or below... I have, since, pointed this out more than once:
From:
"Intel® Core™ i7 Processor Extreme Edition and Intel® Core™ i7 Processor Datasheet, Volume 2"
2.14 Integrated Memory Controller Miscellaneous Registers
2.14.1 MC_DIMM_CLK_RATIO_STATUS This register contains status information about DIMM clock ratio
Device:3 Function:4 Offset:50h Access as Dword
Bit 28:24 MAX_RATIO. Maximum ratio allowed by the part.
Value = Qclk
00000 = RSVD
00110 = 800MHz
01000 = 1066MHz
01010 = 1333MHz
Bit 4:0
QCLK_RATIO. Current ratio of Qclk
Value = Qclk.
00000 = RSVD
00110 = 800MHz
01000 = 1066MHz
01010 = 1333MHz
2.14.2 MC_DIMM_CLK_RATIO This register is Requested DIMM clock ratio (Qclk), the data rate going to the DIMM. The clock sent to the DIMM is 1/2 of QCLK rate
Device:3 Function:4 Offset:54h Access as Dword
QCLK_RATIO. Requested ratio of Qclk/Bclk.
00000 = RSVD
00110 = 800MHz
01000 = 1066MHz
01010 = 1333MHz
As Elmer Fudd used to say, at the end of every cartoon, "Th-Th-Th-That's all, folks!" Everything else falls under the broad label of 'undocumented' - like fifteenth century maps marked "here be dragons!" I'm not saying it can't work; it obviously does work, sometimes... Somehow, the BIOS and the board hardware are being manipulated to 'fool' the CPU into clocking the memory faster than spec - but it's one of those "pay no attention to that little man behind the curtain" things... As I posted to someone yesterday about the same issue: If you 'rob Peter to pay Paul' long enough, you wind up with a sore peter! :lol:
Clarke's third law is: "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - my problem is, I don't like 'magic', and I don't like 'dragons'! Though people often look at the little 'widgets' dangling around my house, ask 'how's that work", and I tell 'em "FM" [:bilbat:8] , it's not! The actual 'effing magic' is, say, an IR phototransistor going into saturation, triggering the first of a pair of cascaded 555's... If I've got a handful of specs and datasheets, I can look and say, well, this address line has an eight picosecond capture window, but this controller has a ten picosecond rise time - ain't working unless we can 'fiddle' one or the other; barring that, what have we? "It should work?"
And, I still confidently maintain, that for the vast majority of users, with the vast majority of applications, they'll never 'see' the difference! With a very few exceptions, the average memory access will statistically almost always be to 'correct' a cache problem'; either a prediction 'miss' ("I haven't got the 'chunk' requested by this branching..."), or a 'dirty' page/line ("I gotta write this out before someone else screws with it..."); these accesses are almost always waiting on one or the other of the latencies to pass, and are almost never dependent on raw throughput speed.
From:
"Intel® Core™ i7 Processor Extreme Edition and Intel® Core™ i7 Processor Datasheet, Volume 2"
2.14 Integrated Memory Controller Miscellaneous Registers
2.14.1 MC_DIMM_CLK_RATIO_STATUS This register contains status information about DIMM clock ratio
Device:3 Function:4 Offset:50h Access as Dword
Bit 28:24 MAX_RATIO. Maximum ratio allowed by the part.
Value = Qclk
00000 = RSVD
00110 = 800MHz
01000 = 1066MHz
01010 = 1333MHz
Bit 4:0
QCLK_RATIO. Current ratio of Qclk
Value = Qclk.
00000 = RSVD
00110 = 800MHz
01000 = 1066MHz
01010 = 1333MHz
2.14.2 MC_DIMM_CLK_RATIO This register is Requested DIMM clock ratio (Qclk), the data rate going to the DIMM. The clock sent to the DIMM is 1/2 of QCLK rate
Device:3 Function:4 Offset:54h Access as Dword
QCLK_RATIO. Requested ratio of Qclk/Bclk.
00000 = RSVD
00110 = 800MHz
01000 = 1066MHz
01010 = 1333MHz
As Elmer Fudd used to say, at the end of every cartoon, "Th-Th-Th-That's all, folks!" Everything else falls under the broad label of 'undocumented' - like fifteenth century maps marked "here be dragons!" I'm not saying it can't work; it obviously does work, sometimes... Somehow, the BIOS and the board hardware are being manipulated to 'fool' the CPU into clocking the memory faster than spec - but it's one of those "pay no attention to that little man behind the curtain" things... As I posted to someone yesterday about the same issue: If you 'rob Peter to pay Paul' long enough, you wind up with a sore peter! :lol:
Clarke's third law is: "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - my problem is, I don't like 'magic', and I don't like 'dragons'! Though people often look at the little 'widgets' dangling around my house, ask 'how's that work", and I tell 'em "FM" [:bilbat:8] , it's not! The actual 'effing magic' is, say, an IR phototransistor going into saturation, triggering the first of a pair of cascaded 555's... If I've got a handful of specs and datasheets, I can look and say, well, this address line has an eight picosecond capture window, but this controller has a ten picosecond rise time - ain't working unless we can 'fiddle' one or the other; barring that, what have we? "It should work?"
And, I still confidently maintain, that for the vast majority of users, with the vast majority of applications, they'll never 'see' the difference! With a very few exceptions, the average memory access will statistically almost always be to 'correct' a cache problem'; either a prediction 'miss' ("I haven't got the 'chunk' requested by this branching..."), or a 'dirty' page/line ("I gotta write this out before someone else screws with it..."); these accesses are almost always waiting on one or the other of the latencies to pass, and are almost never dependent on raw throughput speed.
Yeah i get what you mean for most users not seeing the difference. It's kind of like an i7 cpu with even 1080 ram is so fast it's like driving down the freeway in a Space Shuttle.. You're going so fast, you're not going to notice much difference between 3rd and overdrive.... 🙂
I"m curious what do you do for a living? How do you keep up on this stuff,.
I've only got three years experience in the field and I'm going back to school to get a degree in Network Communications Management and I am doing so much homework I don't have much time for anything else.
I guess if I was 28 with a wife and 5 yr old instead of 50 I would have more time and energy.
😴 I wish I could find a job with someone like you where I could learn a ton of stuff. The two jobs I have had since the first time I went to school 4 years ago, the managers have been so busy that they didn't have timeto train me on anything so everything I had to do I had to learn on my own which took 3 times longer.
I'm studying for a ccna and mcitp in my off time but all this stuff is more A+ type stuff that I never had time for.
bilbat
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I'm an industrial systems guy - and, currently unemployed 
I've spent about the last twenty-five years making crap work - thirty-five states, and a dozen countries on four continents; CNC metal cutters (including a vertical lathe with a thirty-five inch travel qualified to fifty-millionths of an inch across its whole travel, using a laser interferometer to calibrate...); odd-ball special purpose machines; process plants (beer, soda, ice cream, and the like); what have you...
Sometimes with logic controllers, sometimes with PCs, sometimes with complex interconnections of the two, sometimes with SBCs running an RTOS...
When the twenty-four speed rebuilt transmission on the old pre-war Lucas boring bar don' work, I'm the guy the mechanics blame for bad software - until I pull the cover plate, replace it with a slab of lexan, and show 'em that if you hit the 3A and 5B solenoids to 'get' thirteenth gear, the splash lube ports 'die' - which means the hydraulic pressure is goin' somewhere, and I'm pretty damned sure it's not into one of my 'computer boards'!!
When we're working on a three-piece-per-second, multi-station packaging machine, and we can't see what the hell is causing the wrinkles that are making for a bad seal - I get the blame, 'till I fish out the high speed camera and the strobe light, and show 'em where their cam follower is 'floating' at the dwell when we hit 160 RPM...
I, probably two decades ago, did a rebuild of a 'spin welder' for a company in Witchita Falls, TX. These things, more properly called 'inertia welders' take a piece of metal, clamped into a massive rotary flywheel, spin 'em up to twenty-five hundred RPM, and them 'push' them, under (carefully regulated and 'profiled') hydraulic pressure, into another piece of metal - the friction between the two melts them, causes them to fuse (also, curiously, allows welding between widely disimilar metals, which can't be welded any other way...), and then a little lathe blade pops in and trims off the 'upset' material. This one was for Stanley-Proto tools, and was intended to take an investment cast ratchet head, and weld it onto a handle with their company name on it, with the handle properly oriented to the head - something they had never been able to do with the original (now, well worn out) macine...
The problem was that this thing was rushed out the door to make an IRS-motivated deadline, and had never been even run, much less tested, before it was shipped. When I went to start it up, the very first thing I learned was that the hydraulic fittings (roughly three-thousand pounds per square inch) had never been tightened - so I spent the next six or seven weeks working with the hydraulic oil that had been blown up onto the ceiling dripping down onto my head!
The next thing was that, in principle, the machine was incapable of ever working! I spoke to the manufacturers of the original machine, and learned that the pressure 'profiling' used to carefully control the force for, and distance of, the 'upset' had had it's 'first stage' controlled by a peculiar little hydraulic control valve, almost like a servo-valve, that was capable of controlling, like, CCs per hour of flow; our mechanical/hydraulic design goofs had misinterpreted, thought it was just a two-stage amplifier, and had used a primary valve capable of somewhere in the range of liters per hour - impossible!
I then spent a day on the phone with the designer of the original valve itself, until I understood the operating principles, had him fax drawings to my hotel, and followed up by having my boss order one. I then spent several days redesigning the (complex, probably more than a dozen-valve) hydraulic manifold, set up accounts with local suppliers to buy steel, aluminum, and hydraulic parts I couldn't scavenge off the old assembly; rented time in a machine shop on a Bridgeport, and manufactured the redesigned manifold and mechanical supports.
Re-plumbed the whole machine, ran calibration testing to qualify the valve, as its response was not linear to the input control voltage, and (as always) eventually got it running like a top:balloon: Interestingly, one of the hardest parts of the whole job was to maneuver a local bank in a small Texas town to cash a ten-thousand-dollar check the dolts from my company had sent me to cover unexpected expenses - good thing it wasn't today - fly in on a private plane into a small town with a big check - probably would have added doing time as a drug-dealer or a money-launderer to my travails!!
Oh - and I read spec sheets and data sheets - t'ousands of 'em! [:bilbat:5] Since the i7/i5 release, I've read more than three thousnad pages of documentation just for them and their various IOHs, and have another three thousand to go
And AMD has recently released a lot of docs - trying to catch up on them - and have an idea of a use for some Tyan server boards, so soaking up 5520 IOH and OpenCl/CUDA documentation... Write (or at least, have written) Assembler (various), Machine Language (Intel, Zilog), BASIC (including Visual Basic and VBA), ADA (which is a lulu - just waht everyone's been looking for - a computer language designed by a government committee!), APL3, FORTH, FORTRAN-4/66/77, Ladder Logic (various), MODULA2 (my all-time favorite!), PASCAL, and C/C++/C#
First comp was an '83, thirty-pound KayPro Z-80, running ZCPR3, with 64K of RAM, a MEG (hesitate to think what the hell that cost back then [:bilbat:2] ) of RAMdisk, two high-density 5¼ drives (obtained by soldering, piggy-back fashion, extra TTL logic chips onto the motherboard's decoders), and a lovingly installed Seagate ST-225 20Meg drive! (three partitions back then - max partition was a whopping eight meg [:bilbat:8] !)
I've spent about the last twenty-five years making crap work - thirty-five states, and a dozen countries on four continents; CNC metal cutters (including a vertical lathe with a thirty-five inch travel qualified to fifty-millionths of an inch across its whole travel, using a laser interferometer to calibrate...); odd-ball special purpose machines; process plants (beer, soda, ice cream, and the like); what have you...
Sometimes with logic controllers, sometimes with PCs, sometimes with complex interconnections of the two, sometimes with SBCs running an RTOS...
When the twenty-four speed rebuilt transmission on the old pre-war Lucas boring bar don' work, I'm the guy the mechanics blame for bad software - until I pull the cover plate, replace it with a slab of lexan, and show 'em that if you hit the 3A and 5B solenoids to 'get' thirteenth gear, the splash lube ports 'die' - which means the hydraulic pressure is goin' somewhere, and I'm pretty damned sure it's not into one of my 'computer boards'!!
When we're working on a three-piece-per-second, multi-station packaging machine, and we can't see what the hell is causing the wrinkles that are making for a bad seal - I get the blame, 'till I fish out the high speed camera and the strobe light, and show 'em where their cam follower is 'floating' at the dwell when we hit 160 RPM...
I, probably two decades ago, did a rebuild of a 'spin welder' for a company in Witchita Falls, TX. These things, more properly called 'inertia welders' take a piece of metal, clamped into a massive rotary flywheel, spin 'em up to twenty-five hundred RPM, and them 'push' them, under (carefully regulated and 'profiled') hydraulic pressure, into another piece of metal - the friction between the two melts them, causes them to fuse (also, curiously, allows welding between widely disimilar metals, which can't be welded any other way...), and then a little lathe blade pops in and trims off the 'upset' material. This one was for Stanley-Proto tools, and was intended to take an investment cast ratchet head, and weld it onto a handle with their company name on it, with the handle properly oriented to the head - something they had never been able to do with the original (now, well worn out) macine...
The problem was that this thing was rushed out the door to make an IRS-motivated deadline, and had never been even run, much less tested, before it was shipped. When I went to start it up, the very first thing I learned was that the hydraulic fittings (roughly three-thousand pounds per square inch) had never been tightened - so I spent the next six or seven weeks working with the hydraulic oil that had been blown up onto the ceiling dripping down onto my head!
The next thing was that, in principle, the machine was incapable of ever working! I spoke to the manufacturers of the original machine, and learned that the pressure 'profiling' used to carefully control the force for, and distance of, the 'upset' had had it's 'first stage' controlled by a peculiar little hydraulic control valve, almost like a servo-valve, that was capable of controlling, like, CCs per hour of flow; our mechanical/hydraulic design goofs had misinterpreted, thought it was just a two-stage amplifier, and had used a primary valve capable of somewhere in the range of liters per hour - impossible!
I then spent a day on the phone with the designer of the original valve itself, until I understood the operating principles, had him fax drawings to my hotel, and followed up by having my boss order one. I then spent several days redesigning the (complex, probably more than a dozen-valve) hydraulic manifold, set up accounts with local suppliers to buy steel, aluminum, and hydraulic parts I couldn't scavenge off the old assembly; rented time in a machine shop on a Bridgeport, and manufactured the redesigned manifold and mechanical supports.
Re-plumbed the whole machine, ran calibration testing to qualify the valve, as its response was not linear to the input control voltage, and (as always) eventually got it running like a top:balloon: Interestingly, one of the hardest parts of the whole job was to maneuver a local bank in a small Texas town to cash a ten-thousand-dollar check the dolts from my company had sent me to cover unexpected expenses - good thing it wasn't today - fly in on a private plane into a small town with a big check - probably would have added doing time as a drug-dealer or a money-launderer to my travails!!
Oh - and I read spec sheets and data sheets - t'ousands of 'em! [:bilbat:5] Since the i7/i5 release, I've read more than three thousnad pages of documentation just for them and their various IOHs, and have another three thousand to go
And AMD has recently released a lot of docs - trying to catch up on them - and have an idea of a use for some Tyan server boards, so soaking up 5520 IOH and OpenCl/CUDA documentation... Write (or at least, have written) Assembler (various), Machine Language (Intel, Zilog), BASIC (including Visual Basic and VBA), ADA (which is a lulu - just waht everyone's been looking for - a computer language designed by a government committee!), APL3, FORTH, FORTRAN-4/66/77, Ladder Logic (various), MODULA2 (my all-time favorite!), PASCAL, and C/C++/C#First comp was an '83, thirty-pound KayPro Z-80, running ZCPR3, with 64K of RAM, a MEG (hesitate to think what the hell that cost back then [:bilbat:2] ) of RAMdisk, two high-density 5¼ drives (obtained by soldering, piggy-back fashion, extra TTL logic chips onto the motherboard's decoders), and a lovingly installed Seagate ST-225 20Meg drive! (three partitions back then - max partition was a whopping eight meg [:bilbat:8] !)
bilbat :
I'm an industrial systems guy - and, currently unemployed
I've spent about the last twenty-five years making crap work - thirty-five states, and a dozen countries on four continents; CNC metal cutters (including a vertical lathe with a thirty-five inch travel qualified to fifty-millionths of an inch across its whole travel, using a laser interferometer to calibrate...); odd-ball special purpose machines; process plants (beer, soda, ice cream, and the like); what have you...
Sometimes with logic controllers, sometimes with PCs, sometimes with complex interconnections of the two, sometimes with SBCs running an RTOS...
When the twenty-four speed rebuilt transmission on the old pre-war Lucas boring bar don' work, I'm the guy the mechanics blame for bad software - until I pull the cover plate, replace it with a slab of lexan, and show 'em that if you hit the 3A and 5B solenoids to 'get' thirteenth gear, the splash lube ports 'die' - which means the hydraulic pressure is goin' somewhere, and I'm pretty damned sure it's not into one of my 'computer boards'!!
When we're working on a three-piece-per-second, multi-station packaging machine, and we can't see what the hell is causing the wrinkles that are making for a bad seal - I get the blame, 'till I fish out the high speed camera and the strobe light, and show 'em where their cam follower is 'floating' at the dwell when we hit 160 RPM...
I, probably two decades ago, did a rebuild of a 'spin welder' for a company in Witchita Falls, TX. These things, more properly called 'inertia welders' take a piece of metal, clamped into a massive rotary flywheel, spin 'em up to twenty-five hundred RPM, and them 'push' them, under (carefully regulated and 'profiled') hydraulic pressure, into another piece of metal - the friction between the two melts them, causes them to fuse (also, curiously, allows welding between widely disimilar metals, which can't be welded any other way...), and then a little lathe blade pops in and trims off the 'upset' material. This one was for Stanley-Proto tools, and was intended to take an investment cast ratchet head, and weld it onto a handle with their company name on it, with the handle properly oriented to the head - something they had never been able to do with the original (now, well worn out) macine...
The problem was that this thing was rushed out the door to make an IRS-motivated deadline, and had never been even run, much less tested, before it was shipped. When I went to start it up, the very first thing I learned was that the hydraulic fittings (roughly three-thousand pounds per square inch) had never been tightened - so I spent the next six or seven weeks working with the hydraulic oil that had been blown up onto the ceiling dripping down onto my head!
The next thing was that, in principle, the machine was incapable of ever working! I spoke to the manufacturers of the original machine, and learned that the pressure 'profiling' used to carefully control the force for, and distance of, the 'upset' had had it's 'first stage' controlled by a peculiar little hydraulic control valve, almost like a servo-valve, that was capable of controlling, like, CCs per hour of flow; our mechanical/hydraulic design goofs had misinterpreted, thought it was just a two-stage amplifier, and had used a primary valve capable of somewhere in the range of liters per hour - impossible!
I then spent a day on the phone with the designer of the original valve itself, until I understood the operating principles, had him fax drawings to my hotel, and followed up by having my boss order one. I then spent several days redesigning the (complex, probably more than a dozen-valve) hydraulic manifold, set up accounts with local suppliers to buy steel, aluminum, and hydraulic parts I couldn't scavenge off the old assembly; rented time in a machine shop on a Bridgeport, and manufactured the redesigned manifold and mechanical supports.
Re-plumbed the whole machine, ran calibration testing to qualify the valve, as its response was not linear to the input control voltage, and (as always) eventually got it running like a top:balloon: Interestingly, one of the hardest parts of the whole job was to maneuver a local bank in a small Texas town to cash a ten-thousand-dollar check the dolts from my company had sent me to cover unexpected expenses - good thing it wasn't today - fly in on a private plane into a small town with a big check - probably would have added doing time as a drug-dealer or a money-launderer to my travails!!
Oh - and I read spec sheets and data sheets - t'ousands of 'em! [:bilbat:5] Since the i7/i5 release, I've read more than three thousnad pages of documentation just for them and their various IOHs, and have another three thousand to go And AMD has recently released a lot of docs - trying to catch up on them - and have an idea of a use for some Tyan server boards, so soaking up 5520 IOH and OpenCl/CUDA documentation... Write (or at least, have written) Assembler (various), Machine Language (Intel, Zilog), BASIC (including Visual Basic and VBA), ADA (which is a lulu - just waht everyone's been looking for - a computer language designed by a government committee!), APL3, FORTH, FORTRAN-4/66/77, Ladder Logic (various), MODULA2 (my all-time favorite!), PASCAL, and C/C++/C#
First comp was an '83, thirty-pound KayPro Z-80, running ZCPR3, with 64K of RAM, a MEG (hesitate to think what the hell that cost back then [:bilbat:2] ) of RAMdisk, two high-density 5¼ drives (obtained by soldering, piggy-back fashion, extra TTL logic chips onto the motherboard's decoders), and a lovingly installed Seagate ST-225 20Meg drive! (three partitions back then - max partition was a whopping eight meg [:bilbat:8] !)
I've spent about the last twenty-five years making crap work - thirty-five states, and a dozen countries on four continents; CNC metal cutters (including a vertical lathe with a thirty-five inch travel qualified to fifty-millionths of an inch across its whole travel, using a laser interferometer to calibrate...); odd-ball special purpose machines; process plants (beer, soda, ice cream, and the like); what have you...
Sometimes with logic controllers, sometimes with PCs, sometimes with complex interconnections of the two, sometimes with SBCs running an RTOS...
When the twenty-four speed rebuilt transmission on the old pre-war Lucas boring bar don' work, I'm the guy the mechanics blame for bad software - until I pull the cover plate, replace it with a slab of lexan, and show 'em that if you hit the 3A and 5B solenoids to 'get' thirteenth gear, the splash lube ports 'die' - which means the hydraulic pressure is goin' somewhere, and I'm pretty damned sure it's not into one of my 'computer boards'!!
When we're working on a three-piece-per-second, multi-station packaging machine, and we can't see what the hell is causing the wrinkles that are making for a bad seal - I get the blame, 'till I fish out the high speed camera and the strobe light, and show 'em where their cam follower is 'floating' at the dwell when we hit 160 RPM...
I, probably two decades ago, did a rebuild of a 'spin welder' for a company in Witchita Falls, TX. These things, more properly called 'inertia welders' take a piece of metal, clamped into a massive rotary flywheel, spin 'em up to twenty-five hundred RPM, and them 'push' them, under (carefully regulated and 'profiled') hydraulic pressure, into another piece of metal - the friction between the two melts them, causes them to fuse (also, curiously, allows welding between widely disimilar metals, which can't be welded any other way...), and then a little lathe blade pops in and trims off the 'upset' material. This one was for Stanley-Proto tools, and was intended to take an investment cast ratchet head, and weld it onto a handle with their company name on it, with the handle properly oriented to the head - something they had never been able to do with the original (now, well worn out) macine...
The problem was that this thing was rushed out the door to make an IRS-motivated deadline, and had never been even run, much less tested, before it was shipped. When I went to start it up, the very first thing I learned was that the hydraulic fittings (roughly three-thousand pounds per square inch) had never been tightened - so I spent the next six or seven weeks working with the hydraulic oil that had been blown up onto the ceiling dripping down onto my head!
The next thing was that, in principle, the machine was incapable of ever working! I spoke to the manufacturers of the original machine, and learned that the pressure 'profiling' used to carefully control the force for, and distance of, the 'upset' had had it's 'first stage' controlled by a peculiar little hydraulic control valve, almost like a servo-valve, that was capable of controlling, like, CCs per hour of flow; our mechanical/hydraulic design goofs had misinterpreted, thought it was just a two-stage amplifier, and had used a primary valve capable of somewhere in the range of liters per hour - impossible!
I then spent a day on the phone with the designer of the original valve itself, until I understood the operating principles, had him fax drawings to my hotel, and followed up by having my boss order one. I then spent several days redesigning the (complex, probably more than a dozen-valve) hydraulic manifold, set up accounts with local suppliers to buy steel, aluminum, and hydraulic parts I couldn't scavenge off the old assembly; rented time in a machine shop on a Bridgeport, and manufactured the redesigned manifold and mechanical supports.
Re-plumbed the whole machine, ran calibration testing to qualify the valve, as its response was not linear to the input control voltage, and (as always) eventually got it running like a top:balloon: Interestingly, one of the hardest parts of the whole job was to maneuver a local bank in a small Texas town to cash a ten-thousand-dollar check the dolts from my company had sent me to cover unexpected expenses - good thing it wasn't today - fly in on a private plane into a small town with a big check - probably would have added doing time as a drug-dealer or a money-launderer to my travails!!
Oh - and I read spec sheets and data sheets - t'ousands of 'em! [:bilbat:5] Since the i7/i5 release, I've read more than three thousnad pages of documentation just for them and their various IOHs, and have another three thousand to go
And AMD has recently released a lot of docs - trying to catch up on them - and have an idea of a use for some Tyan server boards, so soaking up 5520 IOH and OpenCl/CUDA documentation... Write (or at least, have written) Assembler (various), Machine Language (Intel, Zilog), BASIC (including Visual Basic and VBA), ADA (which is a lulu - just waht everyone's been looking for - a computer language designed by a government committee!), APL3, FORTH, FORTRAN-4/66/77, Ladder Logic (various), MODULA2 (my all-time favorite!), PASCAL, and C/C++/C#First comp was an '83, thirty-pound KayPro Z-80, running ZCPR3, with 64K of RAM, a MEG (hesitate to think what the hell that cost back then [:bilbat:2] ) of RAMdisk, two high-density 5¼ drives (obtained by soldering, piggy-back fashion, extra TTL logic chips onto the motherboard's decoders), and a lovingly installed Seagate ST-225 20Meg drive! (three partitions back then - max partition was a whopping eight meg [:bilbat:8] !)
I understand the unemployed thing. I spent 45k to move to Alaska for a Systems admin job after 2 months of phone interviews and then after 6 months they figure they should have hired someone with 10 yrs instead of 3.5. I haven't been able to find a job since. (dec 19,2008) This year around Christmas time I ended up getting h1n1 and double pneumonia and spent 11 days in intensive care. (i had just gotten a low paying tech support job and they fired me because I missed training... how dare me almost die and wind up in the hospital)
That's pretty much why I'm back in School at 50.
I remember playing with the trash 80's at the local radio shack store. I wish I'd gotten into programming back then. I'm a baby boomer who never knew what he wanted to do before he discovered IT... now i'm laid off and can't find a job.... go figure.
bilbat
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Yeah - you know the economy's completely gone to hell when systems guys and lawyers are out of work 'Course, the lawyers belong out of work - Shakespeare had it right in Henry the Sixth - "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" 
. They're the ones who got us into this mess. It's no accident that product oriented companies are no longer headed by product oriented guys - they all have a degree in economics (which is sorta like having a degree in Haitian VooDoo Medicine, with a minor in Juju! [:bilbat:2] ), and a JD, and are 'aimed' at next quarter's bonus. They've all forgotten what Henry Ford figured out in the first decade of the last century, with the "five dollar day": if the workers can afford your product, by god, you've got a MARKET! The 'money shufflers' figure, if they can't make money making goods in Detroit, next quarter, they'll move to Louisiana; when they flop there, following quarter, to Mexico; when they can't do it there, it's on to India and China - BUT - do they think those Mexican workers, or Indian and Chinese peasants are gonna BUY those Cadillacs? We gotta guy here who's running for Governor, having been mayor of our largest city (Milwaukee) for a while - the man's NEVER HAD A JOB in his entire life! The usual, degree in economics, JD, couple years as a congressional aide, and off to the races in four or five elected positions. You know what lawyers MAKE? "Billable hours"!
Old joke: Lawyer dies, and is at the pearly gates; Saint Peter explains to him the concept of Purgatory - for the amount of time you've done mischief and evil on Earth, you have to suffer twice that long in agony before 'admission' - tells him he's slated for three hundred years of the fiery lake! The lawyer protests: says, I thought it was twice the time; for god's sake, I was only fifty-eight when I died! Saint Peter tells him - we went by your billable hours! :lol:
I dunno - when Whittaker was 'annointed' head of Gummint Motors by the Car Czar (or is that 'Commisar'?) (either way - who knew "change you can believe in" was gonna be a change to either nineteenth, or early twentieth, century Russia?) his first statement was "I don't know anything about cars!" Then, the press articles I saw all praised him as a good choice because of his "extensive experience at 'regulatory interaction' while at AT&T" Am I the only one in the country who's bothered by the fact that the 'annointed' head of what was once the largest manufacturing concern on the globe, is lauded for the fact that his major skillset is knowing whose @$$ to kiss in Washington, and when, and how??
Anyhow - rant over [:bilbat] I think I hear 'em coming with the nets... Wanted to post a picture of 'where I make the magic! (...and wash the dirty socks!):
'Course, the lawyers belong out of work - Shakespeare had it right in Henry the Sixth - "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" . They're the ones who got us into this mess. It's no accident that product oriented companies are no longer headed by product oriented guys - they all have a degree in economics (which is sorta like having a degree in Haitian VooDoo Medicine, with a minor in Juju! [:bilbat:2] ), and a JD, and are 'aimed' at next quarter's bonus. They've all forgotten what Henry Ford figured out in the first decade of the last century, with the "five dollar day": if the workers can afford your product, by god, you've got a MARKET! The 'money shufflers' figure, if they can't make money making goods in Detroit, next quarter, they'll move to Louisiana; when they flop there, following quarter, to Mexico; when they can't do it there, it's on to India and China - BUT - do they think those Mexican workers, or Indian and Chinese peasants are gonna BUY those Cadillacs? We gotta guy here who's running for Governor, having been mayor of our largest city (Milwaukee) for a while - the man's NEVER HAD A JOB in his entire life! The usual, degree in economics, JD, couple years as a congressional aide, and off to the races in four or five elected positions. You know what lawyers MAKE? "Billable hours"!Old joke: Lawyer dies, and is at the pearly gates; Saint Peter explains to him the concept of Purgatory - for the amount of time you've done mischief and evil on Earth, you have to suffer twice that long in agony before 'admission' - tells him he's slated for three hundred years of the fiery lake! The lawyer protests: says, I thought it was twice the time; for god's sake, I was only fifty-eight when I died! Saint Peter tells him - we went by your billable hours! :lol:
I dunno - when Whittaker was 'annointed' head of Gummint Motors by the Car Czar (or is that 'Commisar'?) (either way - who knew "change you can believe in" was gonna be a change to either nineteenth, or early twentieth, century Russia?) his first statement was "I don't know anything about cars!" Then, the press articles I saw all praised him as a good choice because of his "extensive experience at 'regulatory interaction' while at AT&T" Am I the only one in the country who's bothered by the fact that the 'annointed' head of what was once the largest manufacturing concern on the globe, is lauded for the fact that his major skillset is knowing whose @$$ to kiss in Washington, and when, and how??
Anyhow - rant over [:bilbat] I think I hear 'em coming with the nets... Wanted to post a picture of 'where I make the magic! (...and wash the dirty socks!):
bilbat :
Yeah - you know the economy's completely gone to hell when systems guys and lawyers are out of work 'Course, the lawyers belong out of work - Shakespeare had it right in Henry the Sixth - "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" . They're the ones who got us into this mess. It's no accident that product oriented companies are no longer headed by product oriented guys - they all have a degree in economics (which is sorta like having a degree in Haitian VooDoo Medicine, with a minor in Juju! [:bilbat:2] ), and a JD, and are 'aimed' at next quarter's bonus. They've all forgotten what Henry Ford figured out in the first decade of the last century, with the "five dollar day": if the workers can afford your product, by god, you've got a MARKET! The 'money shufflers' figure, if they can't make money making goods in Detroit, next quarter, they'll move to Louisiana; when they flop there, following quarter, to Mexico; when they can't do it there, it's on to India and China - BUT - do they think those Mexican workers, or Indian and Chinese peasants are gonna BUY those Cadillacs? We gotta guy here who's running for Governor, having been mayor of our largest city (Milwaukee) for a while - the man's NEVER HAD A JOB in his entire life! The usual, degree in economics, JD, couple years as a congressional aide, and off to the races in four or five elected positions. You know what lawyers MAKE? "Billable hours"!
Old joke: Lawyer dies, and is at the pearly gates; Saint Peter explains to him the concept of Purgatory - for the amount of time you've done mischief and evil on Earth, you have to suffer twice that long in agony before 'admission' - tells him he's slated for three hundred years of the fiery lake! The lawyer protests: says, I thought it was twice the time; for god's sake, I was only fifty-eight when I died! Saint Peter tells him - we went by your billable hours! :lol:
I dunno - when Whittaker was 'annointed' head of Gummint Motors by the Car Czar (or is that 'Commisar'?) (either way - who knew "change you can believe in" was gonna be a change to either nineteenth, or early twentieth, century Russia?) his first statement was "I don't know anything about cars!" Then, the press articles I saw all praised him as a good choice because of his "extensive experience at 'regulatory interaction' while at AT&T" Am I the only one in the country who's bothered by the fact that the 'annointed' head of what was once the largest manufacturing concern on the globe, is lauded for the fact that his major skillset is knowing whose @$$ to kiss in Washington, and when, and how??
Anyhow - rant over [:bilbat] I think I hear 'em coming with the nets... Wanted to post a picture of 'where I make the magic! (...and wash the dirty socks!):
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3517/dsc00223small.jpg
'Course, the lawyers belong out of work - Shakespeare had it right in Henry the Sixth - "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" . They're the ones who got us into this mess. It's no accident that product oriented companies are no longer headed by product oriented guys - they all have a degree in economics (which is sorta like having a degree in Haitian VooDoo Medicine, with a minor in Juju! [:bilbat:2] ), and a JD, and are 'aimed' at next quarter's bonus. They've all forgotten what Henry Ford figured out in the first decade of the last century, with the "five dollar day": if the workers can afford your product, by god, you've got a MARKET! The 'money shufflers' figure, if they can't make money making goods in Detroit, next quarter, they'll move to Louisiana; when they flop there, following quarter, to Mexico; when they can't do it there, it's on to India and China - BUT - do they think those Mexican workers, or Indian and Chinese peasants are gonna BUY those Cadillacs? We gotta guy here who's running for Governor, having been mayor of our largest city (Milwaukee) for a while - the man's NEVER HAD A JOB in his entire life! The usual, degree in economics, JD, couple years as a congressional aide, and off to the races in four or five elected positions. You know what lawyers MAKE? "Billable hours"!Old joke: Lawyer dies, and is at the pearly gates; Saint Peter explains to him the concept of Purgatory - for the amount of time you've done mischief and evil on Earth, you have to suffer twice that long in agony before 'admission' - tells him he's slated for three hundred years of the fiery lake! The lawyer protests: says, I thought it was twice the time; for god's sake, I was only fifty-eight when I died! Saint Peter tells him - we went by your billable hours! :lol:
I dunno - when Whittaker was 'annointed' head of Gummint Motors by the Car Czar (or is that 'Commisar'?) (either way - who knew "change you can believe in" was gonna be a change to either nineteenth, or early twentieth, century Russia?) his first statement was "I don't know anything about cars!" Then, the press articles I saw all praised him as a good choice because of his "extensive experience at 'regulatory interaction' while at AT&T" Am I the only one in the country who's bothered by the fact that the 'annointed' head of what was once the largest manufacturing concern on the globe, is lauded for the fact that his major skillset is knowing whose @$$ to kiss in Washington, and when, and how??
Anyhow - rant over [:bilbat] I think I hear 'em coming with the nets... Wanted to post a picture of 'where I make the magic! (...and wash the dirty socks!):
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3517/dsc00223small.jpg
My favorite is "What do you call 2 million dead attorneys... a good start"
a silly scope.... boy I thought I was an uuber geek,. I just have a craftsman voltage meter and a screwdriver. :lol: 😀
I thought it was funny when I thought of it.
She has Bill by the balls, she doesn't mind killing babies, she has no concern over having the hemlock society work with the Czar on what to do with the large population of seniors... yup oberfuhrer sums it up pretty good i think.
But i'd rather talk about computers
She has Bill by the balls, she doesn't mind killing babies, she has no concern over having the hemlock society work with the Czar on what to do with the large population of seniors... yup oberfuhrer sums it up pretty good i think.
But i'd rather talk about computers
youssef 2010
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@flervk: Now you can update your BIOS through Gigabyte's website to enhance memory compatibility.
Here's the link
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=2958#bios
Here's the link
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=2958#bios
Ive got this going on:
Slot 5 always gives me these values, no matter which of the 6 modules I swap into it.
BIOS also thinks my memory is only 1066mhz, setting it to 1600mhz manually makes win7pro flip out with only 8 of 12gb usable.
Changing the latency to what it should be, locks the machine at bootup (win logo).
Its driving me nuts and im a moderate tweaker at best.
I dont understand half the values, and I dont want to end up frying my gear. 🙁
So please here my desperate cry for help. 😉
Slot 5 always gives me these values, no matter which of the 6 modules I swap into it.
BIOS also thinks my memory is only 1066mhz, setting it to 1600mhz manually makes win7pro flip out with only 8 of 12gb usable.
Changing the latency to what it should be, locks the machine at bootup (win logo).
Its driving me nuts and im a moderate tweaker at best.
I dont understand half the values, and I dont want to end up frying my gear. 🙁
So please here my desperate cry for help. 😉
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