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well here are the radiators, my problem is the configuration of them, simply too many possibilities, so if you could find the time to give your opinions, I would really appreciate it.
I also need advice on a type of shroud for the radiators, the purpose is to inshore good air flow through the radiator.
and lastly how to attach the fans to the radiators?



all advice is welcome and thank you

 
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I don't use a flow meter, never have, never will.

Having a picture of a flow meter does nothing to support a finding, especially when you cannot be 100% conclusive that it is reading correctly or you are accurately converting what is being reported. Does the flow meter registering on the pump without restriction show a flow rate that is close to the rated flow of the pump with your conversion?

If so, great, but if so, you're still running lower than 1.0 gpm on your loop, meaning your delta-T MUST be offset to calculate your cooling potential. Meaning - you have to over-rad to accomplish the same cooling ability that you could achieve with a higher flow. Adding cost of 3x 360 radiators ($60, example) starts to get expensive...
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Ouch! 😱

No offense man but for that kind of money you're only getting 2 260 GPUs?

You spent more on cooling than the entire computer, and you're cooling some things that don't even need cooling?

I can only dream of a 4065 budget, but if I had that available, the machine I would build with it would be totally killer!

And would eat what you're building for breakfast!

Actually the machine I'm presently running will do that.

Sorry toolmaker_03, I truly mean No Offense!

I think I'll just not participate in this thread anymore, and one last time Sorry No Offense! Ry
 
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well yes the current cost for cooling does exceed the cost of the system, but once I feel more confident with the SSD and I like how they work I will buy 3 more for a 0 array. with will bring the hardware cost up to $2220 so the hardware and cooling are almost equal. I like that, and yes I am willing to spend just as much on the cooling, as the hardware. the results of such efforts speak for themselves my systems may not look nice and pretty but they are still running and that says volumes about how I build a system. you have seen the pic of them and had a good laugh at my expense but the systems are 10 years old and 8 years old. how many of people have systems that old and still running. true I may be cooling stuff that others feel it is not necessary to cool, but by doing so it has prolonged the life of the hardware. (EX: I have 36.7 GIG raptors made in 2000 that not only run but still do not tick because I water cool them) so that is that, it speaks for itself, not to many people can say this type of stuff.

**edit 36.7 gig**
 
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keep in mind that I live in a dessert, and the news lies, a lot, with regards to the temps. here is the reality of the situation, it is 120 F 3 months out of the year, and above 100 F for a additional 6 months of the year, we only get 3 months of temps below 100 F.

**edit i keep my home around 80 F in the summer**
 
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Alienwear just sucks, their cases are made of mostly cheap plastic as are most things by Dell. I think that you should skimp on the SSD cooling as they don't get hot and the only thing inside those drives that gets warm is the controller. Mine is a cheap Kingston value series but at least it has a metal shell. Some low rpm fans will move enough air to keep them pretty cool while reducing some of the stress that would have been there for the pump(s). With all those blocks and loops a single pump isn't a good idea especially if it were to fail.

As for thermal compound avoid mx-4, it is a waste of money and isn't even as good as arctic silver 5 :/ With that setup your cpu should have no trouble hitting 4ghz and maybe close to 4.5ghz tops but the board will at some point limit how far you can go.

A solid 990FX and a really decent kit of DDR3 will give things a needed boost while giving crossfire support and preserving sli support.
 
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Lutfij, Do SSDs need additional cooling?

It's not a trick question as I'm not running any SSDs at all, maybe when larger storage capability at much lower prices are on the market I will go that route but for my present setup it's just not needed.

If they need additional cooling I was not aware of that, they're not overclockable are they?

Why would they even need additional cooling?
 
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It seems as if there is a little confusion on how all of this will be routed so here is the break down on the configuration
On the Main loop I will start at the pump outlet, to the flow meter, to the fill/flush system, to the Y splitter, line one after the splitter goes to a 360 rad, to a 240 rad, to the mosfet block, to the first GPU Block, line two after the splitter goes to a 360 rad, to a 240 rad, to the CPU block, to the north bridge block, to the second GPU block, with will flow back into the first GPU and recombine to one line, than to the res, to the pump inlet.

the second loop I will start at the pump outlet, to the memory blocks, to the HHD blocks, to the south bridge block, to the experimental radiators, to the fill/flush system, to the flow meter, to the res, to the pump inlet.

i hope this answers any questions about how i will be doing this and yes it is two loops with two
different pumps
 
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@ Ryan - I myself am yet to see the face of a SSD in person, don't need it for my use either :) SSD's aren't overclockable no, and they produce as less heat as a DDR3 dimm stick at 1.35V aka, they run really cool. You'd need to run 16 480GB SSD's to generate enough heat to equal a WD Cav Blue HDD.

If tool wants to do it, then fine but when tool mentioned that he tried alienwares quotation on for size - it'd have cost him more than now. So Thas why i addressed the SSD cooling bit. Its just like cooling a Z68 chipset, they are darn cool running, a small copper heatsink is all you'll need , not like the X58 chipset...

@ Toolmaker - were not confused, just overly eager to see your setup...and if the SSD is really needed to cool by water.
 
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Thanks!, I've never even added additional air cooling to any of the mechanical HDDs I've ever run, just always made sure they had sufficient case airflow over them, and definitely never water cooled any of them!

IMO it's just flat out not necessary for system longevity!

That said, it's a persons total preference of what he or she chooses to water cool in their computer, or how they decide to do it, no one tells me what to cool or not to cool, or how I do it!

I'm making this statement because I do not want Toolmaker to think I'm bashing him for water cooling his HDDs.

His concept of cooling should allow not having the first case fan running, that would be nice and quiet, but he will still have to have fans running on the radiators.

It will be interesting to see how it's all tied together! Ry






 
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ok so this is what I have seen with my own personal observations with regards to the Hard Disk Drive. there are a couple of things that I need to mention 1) I run my systems 24/7 all of them 2) I buy what I like to call off the shelf systems every 2 years like HP, compact, Emachines,Gateway I have one of each so I understand the kind of "stuff" being sold to the general public. 3) I make small upgrades to these systems like video cards, DVD-ROMs, HHD, but only when the stock hardware fails.
now from my observations I have noticed that HHD only last from 3 to 5 years under air cooling and it doesn't really matter what company you choose the WD I get a constant 5 years from while Maxtor I will only get 3 Seagate I will get 4 years pretty consistent times for each. Now I have been cooling a 2 pack of 36.7 gig raptors with water since 2002 not only do they still run but they do not even tick yet. I also have a set of 2 74 gig raptors that I have been water cooling since 2004 they still run as well but one of them has started to tick in this past year almost one year ago now.
on a side note I can't seem to get a DVD player to last more than 5 years either if anyone has a suggestion on how to fix this problem I would be more than happy to give it a try.

I have never had a Solid State Drive before so for me this will be a test and experiment to see what kind if any longevity I can get form doing this I do not know what the average life span of this type of drive is yet because it has not become standard hardware on prebuilt systems but I am positive that they will be and I will be able to compare the two setups in much the same way, between air cooled and water cooled drives.
 
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I run my system on almost 20/7 😀 but yeah my drives do get hot only and only when they are being taxed. I have two Cav Greens and they are for my storage - the blues however are for the OS/games and personal/archi files stuff so I don't sit around all day trying to access files.

so all-in-all, I only have one 140mm fan blowing onto them -> in latitude so they don't even need my OCD attention of watercooling.

fun investigation to do with the ssd's :) have fun ! i know I'd never need it. But no-one's stopping you, infact, I know my AMS would've been thrown out the window if I'd have asked a public opinion on getting expensive hardware 😀

@ Ryan - your welcoooooome!
 
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well I got the rest of my tubing for this build today, but you will have to wait for pics of the build since my son decided that destroying the data cable for the camera was a good idea. the build is almost complete, and I will be leak testing tomorrow before I power everything up. the wiring is cleaner, and the tubing is well, the same! I really do not like little 1 inch pieces of tubing, I like my tubing long. that way if there is a issue I can get to it without taking it completely apart to do so. I did at least rout the tubing so that the case will have good air flow, it is not in the way anymore.
 
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Wow! I did not have enough tubing to finish the build so I ordered some more so that I can complete the build with neoprene tubing but it is looking good so far and no major problems to speak of other than the different types of tubing being used to check the systems operation.
 
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