Experimental radiator \build log!!!

[toolmaker_03]

well here are the radiators, my problem is the configuration of them, simply too many possibilities, so if you could find the time to give your opinions, I would really appreciate it.
I also need advice on a type of shroud for the radiators, the purpose is to inshore good air flow through the radiator.
and lastly how to attach the fans to the radiators?



all advice is welcome and thank you

 

[toolmaker_03]

Ok so to get back on track do any of you see any other issues with the loop or can I go and finish the pluming and get this rig up and running

 

[4Ryan6]

Ok so to get back on track do any of you see any other issues with the loop or can I go and finish the pluming and get this rig up and running

We cannot read your mind!

If you expect any of us to critique your rerouting, take some fresh pictures, so we know exactly where you are at now?

Your last picture should be named Jumbalaya! (No offense New Orleans!) :lol:

 

[toolmaker_03]

ok so out of the case and into the res, out of the res and into the pump than out of the pump and into the splitter than into both rads, out of the rads to go into the case than into the blocks and out of the blocks to go back to a splitter and out of the case again, The CPU loop runs the same way but no splitters and only one rad.

 

[4Ryan6]

No Comment!

Spoiler

Personally,

I believe I've already said, I would not be running the GPUs independently, I'd be running them in series with the primary GPU being the first recipient of the water flow.

As I've already said a 1c performance difference, if you even get that, is not worth all the time, trouble, and monetary investment, required to even set up your GPUs like that.

But seeing as how you've already bought all those nice fittings you may as well do whatever floats your boat!

 

[toolmaker_03]

Wow I am no good at reading people is that a good thing that you have no commit and left a spoiler alert.

 

[4Ryan6]

The spoiler avoids my broken record syndrome, of repeating myself over and over, preaching to the choir!

You know!, The host of people that sit behind the preacher ignoring what he is saying because they're sure they have it all figured out.

So are you assembling this creation or what?, at some point, you just have to go for it, and see what happens.

 

[Lutfij]

:lol: that was good - choir...

 

[toolmaker_03]

Well I am trying not to have go out and get more tubing less cutting the better at this point.

the other option i have been kicking around would be res to pump to rad to res to pump to rad to case and back again but i will need another pump and res for that setup and it would be serial at that point.

 

[toolmaker_03]

ok so how about somthing like this

 

[4Ryan6]

Is that a joke? :lol:

When you look at that water flow setup, you don't see anything wrong?

No problem with the secondary GPU, but the primary GPU the water flow is almost a straight through shot, water will always take the path of least resistance, your flow through the primary card will be close to naught.

You are seriously over thinking this thing!

Why make something so simple so difficult?

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[toolmaker_03]

that would be true but the 580 card has a pin matrix inside of it with will provide the needed back pressure to equalize the loop. Why is it that you always have a question about the reasoning of it all, but i guess without someone out there questioning why no answers would ever be known and mistakes would never be avoided.

 

[4Ryan6]

The point I'm trying to get across is your feed line through the primary or top card, no matter which you use as the feed line, is a straight shot across.

Depending on how deep into the copper the G1/4 threads go there's not much space left to port water into the graphics card, so the bulk pressure of the water will shoot straight through.

 

[toolmaker_03]

well i hope this helps





the plugs are 18/100 deep my fittings are 16/100 deep the unit at the point where the fittings attache is 55/100 wide and the spacing between the top plate and the bottom plate on the inside is 19/100 so as you can see i am getting the total spacing privided by the card how much better can i get?

 

[LeoMatrix]

NO! I wish I had

i am trying to clean up all the tubing and could not find a better way to do it. Used your sugestion to get soft 90's in the first place less restriction on the system.

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remember this mess, i am trying to clean it up.

mother of cable

 

[bustedfurnace]

@toolmaker_

The main reason they do not cool as well, is the engine thermostat is designed to hold that fluid in the engine block until it gets hot enough to transfer to the radiator, and that coolant will not have the heat absorbtion time, in a computer water cooling setup.

i didnt get everything read, yes, the heater core is going to operate differently. i haven't read over all the pages, but have you thought of possibly running a completely different type of cooling system, not a fully enclosed line, but an open reservoir. have your pump deliver your coolant thru your components, and then when its on its way to the cooling section of your contraption instead of running the lines in parallel together, why not build a dump for them. have your line split into 8 different leads, each going to their own radiator. build an acrylic box with 8 different input leads one for each individual radiator.

your line will split into 8 different parts, then drain into each heatcore and thru gravity and the pumps pressure it will pour from radiator into the acrylic box into a collection tank to be delivered back to your pump.

on top of the box you can build your fan bases and supports to mount your fans. i think an illustration would serve more justice...

i figure this way you could have your pump deliver the line feed at whatever size you want, and then once its done its cooling under your pressure rating of 1gpm or whatever, then the leftover pressure and gravity would take care of returning it to the collection. since you'll have 8 individual units returning 1/8" line worth of flud simultaniously to the return tank which is enclosed and fed directly to the pump, i think that should cut the fluid drop completely?

 

[toolmaker_03]

well i am working on using them to build a system that has a TEC setup to freeze the little rads but i am a long way from finishing that as of right now but thanks for the intrest i will keep posting as things progress on it trying to get this system up for now and have somthing to tinker with later.

 

[4Ryan6]

the plugs are 18/100 deep my fittings are 16/100 deep the unit at the point where the fittings attache is 55/100 wide and the spacing between the top plate and the bottom plate on the inside is 19/100 so as you can see i am getting the total spacing privided by the card how much better can i get?

You still don't get what I'm trying to get across to U.

Just do it!

 

[toolmaker_03]

ok so here is how the loop stands now, out of the case into the res out of the res into the pump out of the pump into both rads at the same time out of both rads into the case, into both cards at the same time and back out of the case again. does that sound all right?

keep in mind i am doing this, and i like the paralell setup keeps flows up while releaving pressure on the system at the same time cofiguration can be a little challenging but i like that too i am willing to change stuff around if need be.

 

[toolmaker_03]

on a side note the AMD 635 processor burns up rather fast, had it in my internet system for four years and the darn thing gave out on me. To top that of the MB that it was attached to would not accept my 1100T so i got a new MB and placed the 1100T in it, it works well now but what a waste. It would be nice if they build these systems better, but for the price i guess you can't really complaine.

 

[4Ryan6]

ok so here is how the loop stands now, out of the case into the res out of the res into the pump out of the pump into both rads at the same time out of both rads into the case, into both cards at the same time and back out of the case again. does that sound all right?

keep in mind i am doing this, and i like the paralell setup keeps flows up while releaving pressure on the system at the same time cofiguration can be a little challenging but i like that too i am willing to change stuff around if need be.

So the only thing you're actually cooling are the GPUs?

Are you running a multiple monitor setup?

 

[4Ryan6]

TM03,

You may not believe this but I do appreciate your efforts!

You are trying new things and configurations and sharing them with others.

Those that do these type experimenting learn both from their successes and failures.

Sharing both, the successes and failures, help others that are curious, discover what to either do, or not do, regarding their own setups.

Ryan

 

[toolmaker_03]

with that loop yes

there will be and is a second loop for the processor alone one 360 rad one res one block one pump and all the fittings needed.

 

[toolmaker_03]

i hope this helps with understanding the loops setup at this point if you see any other major setup issues please let me know?

 

[toolmaker_03]

does this help

 

[4Ryan6]

So the radiator on the left will be CPU dedicated with it's own D5 pump.

Consider this TM03;

Two full coverage water blocked GPUs produce a lot of heat, because you're not only getting the heat from both GPU Dies, but all the memory chips and VRs of both cards.

Even if your goal is to run parallel GPU cooling, if you run the rads in series, the first rad becomes a pre-chiller knocking down the initial heat from the GPUs.

Then the second rad is having the pre-chilled water enter it, so it can drop the temperature of the water even further before it goes back to the GPUs.

My GPUs are being cooled with almost the same setup as you except I'm running a 240 and a 360, I'm running the 240 as the prechiller and the 360 as the primary in the loop.

With 2 580GTX I have load temps 40c below the stock cooling solution, with a 22c ~ 23c ambient room temperature.

I'm running my GPUs in series running an SLI setup with 1 monitor, the primary card is outputting to the monitor.

My GPU temperature results with this setup is the primary GPU runs 1c hotter than the secondary GPU does, that's the main reason I've tried to share the information I have with you.

When I previously said running parallel GPU cooling will only gain a 1c improvement.

But for the record, however you decide to proceed will be much better than the stock air cooling of the cards!

Full coverage GPU water block temperatures cannot be directly compared to those running hybrid setups, meaning a GPU Die cooling only setup still using air cooling for the mem and VRs.

Because a hybrid setup does not have the added water heat load so we're at a water temperature disadvantage because of the added heat load, so you want as much cooling from your rads as you can possibly get.

We're also at a serious advantage over a hybrid setup when it comes to cooling the memory and VRs.

The largest disadvantage is we cannot transfer these water blocks to other GPUs in a later upgrade, however the largest advantage is higher memory overclocks.