Question Feedback on planned new build

[tacticalkali]

Hi there,
First itme building a PC in 7 years.
Currently running an i5 4460 on an old Z97 Gigabyte board, with a GTX 1050.

Looking to upgrade to an AMD 5600X. I'll show you the build on PC Part Picker https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Brb2W4

I'm going to probably stick with the 1050 now, I'm aware it'll probably be a bottleneck. The only game I really play is GTA 5 and AFAIK that's more CPU than GPU dependable. I'm also going to reuse the SSD and HDD I have.
The only issue that comes to mind: firstly, how fiddly is an aftermarket cooler to install as this is my first time doing it
Secondly, has anyone used that MSI chipset/board recently, as I'm aware when the 5600x first came out it didnt support the cpu and you had to flash the bios.

Thanks

 

[Lafong]

firstly, how fiddly is an aftermarket cooler to install as this is my first time doing it

They do vary in frustration level. Noctua is among the easiest. Not sure about the Coolermaster you have chosen. Maybe see if you can find a Youtube review?

You'll see a jillion ways of how to apply paste. I wouldn't get bogged down in that. Amount is typically somewhere between the size of a BB and the size of a green pea.

 

[geofelt]

The 5600x comes with a cooler.
You could try that.

Ryzen depends on fast ram for performance, 3600 speed is the sweet spot.

Some time ago, I had to install a hyper212.
Instructions were terrible, and even with experience, it was hard to figure out.
As above, noctua is very simple.
NH-U12s or the budget sibling NH-U12s redux would be a better pick.

Today, I would opt for the intel I5-12400 which is priced similarly but games a bit better.
Here is a review:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i5-12400-review
3200 speed is fine for Intel.

 

[tacticalkali]

The 5600x comes with a cooler.
You could try that.

Ryzen depends on fast ram for performance, 3600 speed is the sweet spot.

Some time ago, I had to install a hyper212.
Instructions were terrible, and even with experience, it was hard to figure out.
As above, noctua is very simple.
NH-U12s or the budget sibling NH-U12s redux would be a better pick.

Today, I would opt for the intel I5-12400 which is priced similarly but games a bit better.
Here is a review:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-core-i5-12400-review
3200 speed is fine for Intel.

Yeah I'm looking at 3200 ram
Honestly I'm done with stock coolers. I want a quieter PC, it got to 40C outside recently and the CPU was reaching crazy temps. Even when idling its at like 40-50C.
I'll have a look at the i5. Back in 2015/early 2016 when I built the current PC Amd hadn't made CPUs in years, now they've made a comeback so I'm still catching up with whats new.

 

[Zerk2012]

Hi there,
First itme building a PC in 7 years.
Currently running an i5 4460 on an old Z97 Gigabyte board, with a GTX 1050.

Looking to upgrade to an AMD 5600X. I'll show you the build on PC Part Picker https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Brb2W4

I'm going to probably stick with the 1050 now, I'm aware it'll probably be a bottleneck. The only game I really play is GTA 5 and AFAIK that's more CPU than GPU dependable. I'm also going to reuse the SSD and HDD I have.
The only issue that comes to mind: firstly, how fiddly is an aftermarket cooler to install as this is my first time doing it
Secondly, has anyone used that MSI chipset/board recently, as I'm aware when the 5600x first came out it didnt support the cpu and you had to flash the bios.

Thanks

Looks OK to me but you can buy a better cooler for that price.
For the motherboard BIOS no problems their the board has a flash button on the back so you don't even need a CPU installed.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/vV7G3C/noctua-nh-u12s-redux-7075-cfm-cpu-cooler-nh-u12s-redux

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4LLAWYQonU

 

[Why_Me]

You can save yourself some money.

https://www.technextday.co.uk/product/gigabyte-b660m-gaming-x-ddr4-intel-micro-atx-motherboard
Gigabyte B660M GAMING X DDR4 £125.99

https://www.box.co.uk/BX8071512400F-Intel-Core-i5-12400F-12th-Gen-Desktop-Pr_4094468.html
Intel Core i5-12400F £173.99

https://computerorbit.com/products/deepcool-ak400-120mm-tower-air-cooler
DeepCool AK400 CPU Cooler £35.00

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...AK400-Performance-CPU-Cooler/2021/15222.shtml

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/deepcool-ak400-air-cooler-review,1.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/deepcool-ak400-cpu-cooler/

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B660M-GAMING-X-DDR4-rev-10

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...2400f-processor-18m-cache-up-to-4-40-ghz.html

i5 12400 / 12400F gaming benchmarks.

 

[tacticalkali]

Looks like I'll go with the i5/Intel platform.
Still stuck over coolers, I'd like one with RGB lighting if possible that's why I went with the CM Hyper 212

 

[geofelt]

i3/i5/i7... no longer designate what they used to.
namely, how many cores with and without hyperthreading.
Today, it is more of a capability designation.
The K sufffix not only designated overclocking capable, but also may add E (efficient ) cores.
Increasing models also will have higher turbo limits.
Today, overclocking is not what it used to be, namely getting something for nothing.
The chips are binned and the better chips go into more capable processors with little overclocking headroom.
Usually, a K processor will turbo up a couple of cores higher than what an all core overclock can give. That is particularly good for gaming where you want a strong single master thread.

If you want a quiet cooler, look for one with a slow turning 140mm fan.
Noctua NH-U14s for example.
Sorry no RGB bling on that one.
Of course, you could change it out, but the noctua fans are excellent and quiet. I would find my RGB elsewhere. Perhaps on the case front intakes where it shows.

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Added a Corsair RGB fans to the list , for the rear exhaust . Case doesn't have one.
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (£195.48 @ PC Catalyst)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S redux 70.75 CFM CPU Cooler (£43.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard (£122.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-4000 CL19 Memory (£115.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£79.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Corsair iCUE 4000X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (£79.97 @ Currys PC World)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£83.99 @ AWD-IT)
Case Fan: Corsair iCUE SP RGB ELITE 47.73 CFM 120 mm Fan (£14.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £737.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-22 03:54 BST+0100

 

[Karadjgne]

With a new platform, basically whatever you thought for sure you knew about you current platform no longer really applies, especially with Ryzen. It's really best to bury that old info and start over from noob.

With Ryzen at idle, 40-60°C is quite normal. Temp readers read the hottest core at any given moment and Ryzen only uses 1 rotating core, not all the cores, when idle. So the entire background load is only on the hottest core. Ryzens stick to TDP like glue unless you deliberately mess with OC. Undervolting is generally better as boost limits per core get higher, longer with lower temps.

With Intel, TDP is moot. That's really only base speeds now, and pretty much turbo has replaced it (PL2) which is generally far higher, especially in the highrr tier cpus. A 12900k sits somewhat above 200w with turbo, although TDP is 125w. It's basically a factory applied OC, you need to bring on the cooling.

Gaming is all roughly the same, per class of cpu either way. 5600x/12400, 5700x/12600k, 5800x/12700k, 5900x/12900k, 5950x/12900KS, 5800x3D. Some wins, some losses, scores are close enough generally that a few fps don't really matter to anything but a benchmark or fan boy.

Which ever way you go, it'll be a good improvement, but each does have its strengths and weaknesses, each has its own quirks to get a little more out of it.

 

[tacticalkali]

Added a Corsair RGB fans to the list , for the rear exhaust . Case doesn't have one.
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor (£195.48 @ PC Catalyst)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S redux 70.75 CFM CPU Cooler (£43.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard (£122.99 @ Scan.co.uk)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-4000 CL19 Memory (£115.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£79.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Corsair iCUE 4000X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (£79.97 @ Currys PC World)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2021) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£83.99 @ AWD-IT)
Case Fan: Corsair iCUE SP RGB ELITE 47.73 CFM 120 mm Fan (£14.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £737.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-07-22 03:54 BST+0100

Thanks I was looking at that , I take it has rgb fans at the front?

 

[tacticalkali]

With a new platform, basically whatever you thought for sure you knew about you current platform no longer really applies, especially with Ryzen. It's really best to bury that old info and start over from noob.

With Ryzen at idle, 40-60°C is quite normal. Temp readers read the hottest core at any given moment and Ryzen only uses 1 rotating core, not all the cores, when idle. So the entire background load is only on the hottest core. Ryzens stick to TDP like glue unless you deliberately mess with OC. Undervolting is generally better as boost limits per core get higher, longer with lower temps.

With Intel, TDP is moot. That's really only base speeds now, and pretty much turbo has replaced it (PL2) which is generally far higher, especially in the highrr tier cpus. A 12900k sits somewhat above 200w with turbo, although TDP is 125w. It's basically a factory applied OC, you need to bring on the cooling.

Gaming is all roughly the same, per class of cpu either way. 5600x/12400, 5700x/12600k, 5800x/12700k, 5900x/12900k, 5950x/12900KS, 5800x3D. Some wins, some losses, scores are close enough generally that a few fps don't really matter to anything but a benchmark or fan boy.

Which ever way you go, it'll be a good improvement, but each does have its strengths and weaknesses, each has its own quirks to get a little more out of it.

Also PCPartPicker says the noctua might need a separate mounting adapter for the Intel Mobo suggested here ?

 

[Lafong]

Also PCPartPicker says the noctua might need a separate mounting adapter for the Intel Mobo suggested here ?

Which specific motherboard?

Which specific Noctua?

If you are using an Intel-compatible 600 series motherboard, you would need to ensure that the Noctua cooler included their socket 1700 mounting adapter. It's cheap if bought separately. Noctua will send you one free in a week or so if you show them you have bought the CPU.

 

[tacticalkali]

Which specific motherboard?

Which specific Noctua?

If you are using an Intel 600 series motherboard, you would need to ensure that the Noctua cooler included their socket 1700 mounting adapter. It's cheap if bought separately. Noctua will send you one free in a week or so if you show them you have bought the CPU.

Well noctua u12s and gigabyte b660 , I checked their website and says anything after 3/22 will ship with an adapter

 

[Lafong]

Well noctua u12s and gigabyte b660 , I checked their website and says anything after 3/22 will ship with an adapter

Yeah, that's what I would expect. If not, I think the adapter sells for maybe 10 bucks?

U12s is a good choice. I used one myself, but had to switch to a U9s when I got a narrower case. U9s is a couple of inches shorter and maybe 5 to 7 degrees warmer, which doesn't bother me at all.

I assume you know the U12s will fit in your case. I think it is 159mm tall?

 

[tacticalkali]

Yeah, that's what I would expect. If not, I think the adapter sells for maybe 10 bucks?

U12s is a good choice. I used one myself, but had to switch to a U9s when I got a narrower case. U9s is a couple of inches shorter and maybe 5 to 7 degrees warmer, which doesn't bother me at all.

I assume you know the U12s will fit in your case. I think it is 159mm tall?

It should it's a full size ATX case it's the one someone put here

 

[Lafong]

It should it's a full size ATX case it's the one someone put here

Full ATX doesn't mean it is wide enough.

I would look at the case manufacturer's web site for that specific info regarding maximum cooler height. Better than being in for a rude surprise when you try to put it all together.

 

[tacticalkali]

PCPartPicker hasn't flagged it, says it's wide enough for a 360mm video card so taking the cooler will fit fine?

 

[Lafong]

PCPartPicker hasn't flagged it, says it's wide enough for a 360mm video card so taking the cooler will fit fine?

You can assume anything you want.

Your choice.

It should not take you over 5 minutes to confirm at the case manufacturer's web site.

PCPartpicker is not flawless.

 

[tacticalkali]

Gavin

You can assume anything you want.

Your choice.

It should not take you over 5 minutes to confirm at the case manufacturer's web site.

PCPartpicker is not flawless.

How can it have a width of 230mm but accommodate a 360gpu? I'm going off the width provided by the manufacturer and pcpartpicker

 

[tacticalkali]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-4000x-4000d-airflow-review

 

[Lafong]

Gavin

How can it have a width of 230mm but accommodate a 360gpu? I'm going off the width provided by the manufacturer and pcpartpicker

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-4000x-4000d-airflow-review

Case width is one thing. Max cooler height is another.

Above link says max cooler height is 170 mm. I don't know if that is accurate.

If accurate, it is wide enough for the U12s and most (possibly all) Noctua air coolers.

I know almost nothing about GPUs or what they require.

 

[Karadjgne]

With gpu, length is long ways back to front. Width or depth is from board to side panel, height is up to down. Out of those 3, length is only really important to shallower cases, depth will all be similar as they use the same pcb, height important to short cases or cases with smaller form factors like mITX etc.

Most cases will list a max gpu length so that it doesn't interfere with front fans or hdd cages etc. Cases with removable cages may list both lengths, or may just list the max with cage removed.

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-4000x-4000d-airflow-review

I own the 4000X White , it's a great case!

 

[Karadjgne]

Don't be leary of taking DarkLord at his word. He's very well known and highly respected around here, owns multiple setups and is somewhat of a perfectionist. If something isn't right, he'll be the first to say so and you can consider it Gospel Truth. If he says it's Great, it simply is.

And that's beside the amount of professional reviews who agree 👍