Question Few questions about my 9800X3D temps and BCLK clock

[Ziomek64]

Hello,
I am new to the forum! I've just upgraded to 9800X3D from my 8700k. Specs are as follows now:

Ryzen 7 9800X3D + BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 5 cooler
MSI X670E Gaming Wifi
Adata Lancer Blade, 2x16GB, 6000MHz, CL30
RTX 2080
And 750W BeQuiet PSU

My main questions are:
1. Is 40-50 idle temp okay on this CPU or maybe I should reseat cooler with more generous amount of paste, parhaps it's better to just spread it instead of doing pea method. I'm looking at Package temp in HWMonitor, Cores Max temp is much lower, like 10c lower on idle, which is the actual temp that I would expect. Should I be looking on Package or Cores Max? On my old intel Package was max out of all cores.. Under load in games, package floats around 60c sharp in gaming, which is weird. It's very slow to go back to idle temps from load (on package)
2. My BCLK is not steady on 100 in Windows, what could be affecting it? On Intel it helped me to disable virtualization but it didn't helped me here to disable SVM. This affects ram clocks which can hover from 2993 MHz to 3000, and of course it affects everything.

Everything is on auto in BIOS, except EXPO profile set to 6000 and SVM disabled. And everything is working as expected to be honest, but I'm just worried about CPU idle temps since they were much lower on 8700k, and much quicker to drop after load. And I'd like to make BCLK steady if possible

 

[Kona45primo]

Turn off pbo and see what the temps are. You'll possibly get better temps playing around with curve optimizer.

 

[CountMike]

Hello,
I am new to the forum! I've just upgraded to 9800X3D from my 8700k. Specs are as follows now:

Ryzen 7 9800X3D + BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 5 cooler
MSI X670E Gaming Wifi
Adata Lancer Blade, 2x16GB, 6000MHz, CL30
RTX 2080
And 750W BeQuiet PSU

My main questions are:
1. Is 40-50 idle temp okay on this CPU or maybe I should reseat cooler with more generous amount of paste, parhaps it's better to just spread it instead of doing pea method. I'm looking at Package temp in HWMonitor, Cores Max temp is much lower, like 10c lower on idle, which is the actual temp that I would expect. Should I be looking on Package or Cores Max? On my old intel Package was max out of all cores.. Under load in games, package floats around 60c sharp in gaming, which is weird. It's very slow to go back to idle temps from load (on package)
2. My BCLK is not steady on 100 in Windows, what could be affecting it? On Intel it helped me to disable virtualization but it didn't helped me here to disable SVM. This affects ram clocks which can hover from 2993 MHz to 3000, and of course it affects everything.

Everything is on auto in BIOS, except EXPO profile set to 6000 and SVM disabled. And everything is working as expected to be honest, but I'm just worried about CPU idle temps since they were much lower on 8700k, and much quicker to drop after load. And I'd like to make BCLK steady if possible

Forget about comparing old system with new specially temperature wise, things have changed a lot since then, CPUs are allowed much higher temps.
Idle temps are less important if you can keep CPU cooler fans at minimum but only because of noise. "Idle" itself is difficult to define it depends on CPU load and that's defined by background applications running. Generally, idle CPU load on an 8 core CPU should be about 1-2% max with only one or 2 cores running at minimum frequency. you can see that in Ryzen Master for instance.
BCLK for Ryzen is 100 standard but on most MBs it can oscillate a bit, usually downward until full and invariable load. It's effects on RAM, CPU and PCIe are quite minimal. It may help to set it manually but it's inconsequential overall. (0.01-0.02% means nothing) and may even be beneficial as it attempts to match CPU and RAM frequency keeping them in tune.
For power and temperature use "Package" values and Cores only if any go into red. Ryzen Master is most practical program to look for temps and load as it shows average values and and HWinfo can give you more details.
For fine CPU tuning use BIOS options Curve optimizer for dynamic Voltage adjustments and CPU tweak optimization, both should be in Advanced>PBO settings, disabling PBO also lowers performance somewhat but on Auto is most practical. There are many optimization guides on Youtube.
Disabling SVM was somewhat useful on older and slower CPUs but new ones are powerful enough to make any difference.

 

[Ziomek64]

Forget about comparing old system with new specially temperature wise, things have changed a lot since then, CPUs are allowed much higher temps.
Idle temps are less important if you can keep CPU cooler fans at minimum but only because of noise. "Idle" itself is difficult to define it depends on CPU load and that's defined by background applications running. Generally, idle CPU load on an 8 core CPU should be about 1-2% max with only one or 2 cores running at minimum frequency. you can see that in Ryzen Master for instance.
BCLK for Ryzen is 100 standard but on most MBs it can oscillate a bit, usually downward until full and invariable load. It's effects on RAM, CPU and PCIe are quite minimal. It may help to set it manually but it's inconsequential overall. (0.01-0.02% means nothing) and may even be beneficial as it attempts to match CPU and RAM frequency keeping them in tune.
For power and temperature use "Package" values and Cores only if any go into red. Ryzen Master is most practical program to look for temps and load as it shows average values and and HWinfo can give you more details.
For fine CPU tuning use BIOS options Curve optimizer for dynamic Voltage adjustments and CPU tweak optimization, both should be in Advanced>PBO settings, disabling PBO also lowers performance somewhat but on Auto is most practical. There are many optimization guides on Youtube.
Disabling SVM was somewhat useful on older and slower CPUs but new ones are powerful enough to make any difference.

PBO is on auto from the beginning, my clocks are between 5.2 and 5.3, it means it's on?

From what I see some people recommend undervolting while still getting same performance -

View: https://youtu.be/2oD4ISZYjbA?si=6T0C-x-DzAjXngvi

 

[CountMike]

PBO is on auto from the beginning, my clocks are between 5.2 and 5.3, it means it's on?

From what I see some people recommend undervolting while still getting same performance -

View: https://youtu.be/2oD4ISZYjbA?si=6T0C-x-DzAjXngvi

Undervolting is necessary only if it's overheating.