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My Firefox isn't crashing either, but I have stable power to the wall.
If you follow the thread and go up to that ones source thread the coworkers were talking about <15 total crashes a week. Which dropped to none. Also the guy responsible thinks these Intel chips may be hitting 100c browsing Firefox.
So this guy isn't rational.

Edit: here is the source: https://mas.to/@gabrielesvelto/114814117276254003 and he links the bugzilla page with the dozen or so weekly crashes worldwide: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1950764 Note BugBot's comments.
 
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My i5 13500 CPU gets up to 96C without crashing. I'm using the stock cooler. Maybe the stock cooler is not so great in these hot countries in Europe? Time for them to upgrade the cooler if they don't have air conditioning.
 
joeer77 said:
My i5 13500 CPU gets up to 96C without crashing. I'm using the stock cooler. Maybe the stock cooler is not so great in these hot countries in Europe? Time for them to upgrade the cooler if they don't have air conditioning.
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They are not crashing because of the temps, intel CPUs can work at 105° with no issues (even up to 115) .
The problem is mobo auto overclocks that are instable, the high temps are just a symptom of that and not the cause.
 
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Thats True, its not because of temps, its because this series is crap. You may reach out to tech details, mobo makers faults, but long story short - cpu shall not be done so close to the edge. It should work under max load, period. And then have some slack for overclock or unstable crappy mobo. It doesnt bc Intel had to do it to reach AMD performance. While extended guarantee history is a mere makeup on pimple, that had to be done and its good Intel has capacity to do that.
 
It's possible ambient temps are affecting vendor specific motherboard tolerances just enough to trigger unnoticeable CPU micro crashes,
Firefox crash reports don't include motherboard details only CPU type
 
Amdlova said:
My intel CPU working fine at 36 - 40C ambient
It's way easier to say Firefox is a crap
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ahh yes your 1 point of data vs their likely thousands to millions of data points...
"i played russian roulette once and survived so idk how people die from it"

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Also the guy responsible thinks these Intel chips may be hitting 100c browsing Firefox.
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its 2025. Many people run multiple monitors, have browser open while they render/game, etc.

its not unreasonable for a browser crash to happen when you are using an application that WILL be running the cpu hot along side the browser.
 
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I still use a 2018 Coffeelake - Intel really knew how to make 14nm! - that not infrequently hits 100 and doesn’t crash. Their newer CPUs and ecosystem hacks are crap. I’m assembling my first AMD machine now.
 
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Amdlova said:
My intel CPU working fine at 36 - 40C ambient
It's way easier to say Firefox is a crap
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bro, this is called an Anecdotal Fallacy.

this is like someone swimming in the ocean and declaring it safe for everyone because you didn't drown, get eaten by a shark of killed by something poisonous. When challeneged you say "no, I went in and came out fine~!" as if that proves anything other then you are part of a survivors group.

yes, your chip is fine. good on you my guy. Mozilla is talking about tens of thousands of people, not you.
 
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The situation with the old Intels is really unfortunate, but right now, if I was going to buy a new system it would be from Intel, no questions asked.
I am on a Ryzen 5500, I am happy for what it was, but I feel AMD has gone the wrong direction. What I see happening is they are only going for performance, which frankly, I do not care for as much - after all all modern CPUs are so fast for most of the time.. but having a system with enormous idle power requirements, like the last ZENs, is a big problem for me - it just doesn't feel, and it certainly isn't, right
 
That idle consumption is of very little consequence. Changes in weather will have a bigger impact on your power bill, that what little differences there are between Intel and AMD on idle power usage. The difference is less than 30w. You are making a mountain out of a molehill.

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But Intel SWORE they fixed it, for realsies this time. Of course, barring the inevitable "no Intel problem is ever REALLY Intel's fault" posts.
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That issue affected every CPU and every piece of software under any temp, this is one app having erratic behavior on one single CPU , and not even the fastest/hottest one, and only on high temps....
Please do go ahead and try to explain how the exact opposite is the exact same...
The engineer even added that it has gotten so bad that the team disabled the bot, which filed these crash reports automatically, especially since these events almost exclusively happened to Intel Raptor Lake PCs — specifically, the Intel Core i7-14700K model.
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This is an English heat wave? The forecast for London is in the mid-70's for the next 10 days. I live in the Pacific Northwest of the USA where we have mild weather and it's currently 96 degrees. My air-conditioning is set to what they classify as "extreme heat".
 
jkflipflop98 said:
This is an English heat wave? The forecast for London is in the mid-70's for the next 10 days. I live in the Pacific Northwest of the USA where we have mild weather and it's currently 96 degrees. My air-conditioning is set to what they classify as "extreme heat".
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Earlier in July temps hits 30-36C in UK. So a real heatwave even by US standards. But they had a long run of weather well above 25C which is far higher than their summer average of ~ 22C.
 
jkflipflop98 said:
This is an English heat wave? The forecast for London is in the mid-70's for the next 10 days. I live in the Pacific Northwest of the USA where we have mild weather and it's currently 96 degrees. My air-conditioning is set to what they classify as "extreme heat".
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Why are you assuming UK? The article (quoting the mastadon post) says "EU countries".
 
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jkflipflop98 said:
This is an English heat wave? The forecast for London is in the mid-70's for the next 10 days. I live in the Pacific Northwest of the USA where we have mild weather and it's currently 96 degrees. My air-conditioning is set to what they classify as "extreme heat".
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yep, so fare we've got 2-3 sunny weeks with 32-38°C (it's called summer) but the whole year was utter cold and rainy, and now there's about 15-20°C. which heatwave?
https://zoom.earth/places/europe/#map=temperature/model=icon
 
Wait til you see how badly Intels Datacenter chips are designed. Even the desktop chips were DESIGNED to fail (the issue are not an oversight but carefully planned out), but the sheer number of failures was quicker than expected.

Datacenter chips too have physical degradation, and Intel has discussed internally how this will somehow FORCE massive sales of new models of CPU in 3-5years

Intel has never addressed this issue designed into their datacenter equipment as they're hoping customers with deep pockets will just soak up the loss rather than spend years in litigation with a non-working system.

It's deliberate planned obsolescence to try to fuel a new wave of sales.
 
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