[SOLVED] First build! Could I get some feedback?

[enduserCC]

I have been using business laptops from start 2010's (which I by the way got from a german dumpster 😄), but now I got the resources to buy my first pc, althought it might not be the best time.
I am a CS student, and I am in my second semester. For my current needs, and usage pattern it might be overkill, but I want to build a PC that could last (just like those good old Dell Latitudes), with minimal upgrades. The video card is not on the list, since the avaibility in EU is terrible, and I am not a gamer either. I would want to put in a card not better than an rtx3060/2060 (if I find one for reasonable price).
I would love to hear suggestions what should I change, and if everything is compatible?
+ Would a 650W power supply be enough or should I go with the 850W one?

Here are the parts:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y6Qxmk

CPU | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor | $484.00 @ Adorama
CPU Cooler | Corsair H115i PRO 55.4 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler | $217.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ATX AM4 Motherboard | $399.99 @ Amazon
Memory | Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $84.99 @ Walmart
Memory | Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $84.99 @ Walmart
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $74.99 @ B&H
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $74.99 @ B&H
Storage | Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $55.49 @ Newegg
Case | Cooler Master HAF XB EVO ATX Desktop Case | $104.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply | Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $144.99 @ Best Buy
Case Fan | Noctua A8 PWM 32.66 CFM 80 mm Fan | $15.95 @ Amazon
Case Fan | Noctua A8 PWM 32.66 CFM 80 mm Fan | $15.95 @ Amazon
Case Fan | Noctua A12x15 PWM 55.44 CFM 120 mm Fan | $19.95 @ Amazon

Total | $1779.26

 

[tennis2]

No offense, but let's start over

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor ($448.62 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MPG B550 GAMING EDGE WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($158.99 @ Walmart)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Case: MSI MPG Sekira 100R ATX Mid Tower Case ($100.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($108.64 @ Amazon)
Total: $1302.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-03-16 11:20 EDT-0400

 

[Karadjgne]

You need a video card with a Ryzen, no ifs, ands or butts. There's no video output on those cpus. To run a higher end pc without a video card takes a non-F sku'd Intel mainstream as the non-F still have a igpu.

But that can easily cost more overall than a Ryzen based system and a cheapo gpu.

 

[enduserCC]

No offense, but between bad pricing and questionable component choices, let's start over

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3.8 GHz 8-Core Processor ($448.62 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550M MORTAR WIFI Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($158.99 @ Walmart)
Storage: Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Case: MSI MPG Sekira 100R ATX Mid Tower Case ($100.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($107.74 @ Amazon)
Total: $1281.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-03-16 11:03 EDT-0400

I would be happier for a more detailed answer.
You basically put together a slightly less powerful config and saved about 400 USD (fans were not included). As for the CPU, I would definitely go for more cores, since it'll be used more like a workstation.

 

[enduserCC]

You need a video card with a Ryzen, no ifs, ands or butts. There's no video output on those cpus. To run a higher end pc without a video card takes a non-F sku'd Intel mainstream as the non-F still have a igpu.

But that can easily cost more overall than a Ryzen based system and a cheapo gpu.

I'm in clear with that, i am planning to buy one. But currently it's impossible to buy one. But I've got an old Quadro till then.

 

[tennis2]

"Slightly less powerful" is debatable. Depends on how effectively you'll be using > 16 threads because the 5800X has a much better per-core performance.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y6Qxmk

CPU | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor | $484.00 - Do some research to figure out if you actually NEED more than 8c/16t for your workload. The per-core performance of Ryzen 5000 is better than Ryzen 3000
CPU Cooler | Corsair H115i PRO 55.4 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler | $217.99 - This is a $150 cooler
Motherboard | Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ATX AM4 Motherboard | $399.99 - Completely unnecessary. You can easily find something in the ~$200 range
Memory | Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $84.99 - Go 2x16GB
Memory | Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $84.99
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $74.99 - Go with a single 1TB
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $74.99
Storage | Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $55.49
Case | Cooler Master HAF XB EVO ATX Desktop Case | $104.99 - 2010 called and they want their case back!
Power Supply | Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $144.99 - 650W is plenty
Case Fan | Noctua A8 PWM 32.66 CFM 80 mm Fan | $15.95 - Say no to 80mm fans
Case Fan | Noctua A8 PWM 32.66 CFM 80 mm Fan | $15.95
Case Fan | Noctua A12x15 PWM 55.44 CFM 120 mm Fan | $19.95

Total | $1779.26

 

[Karadjgne]

Since you aren't gaming, you'll need to decide on importance. Software that you use will give you that answer.

The 5800x is faster than an 11700k in production by almost double. It's basically untouchable for that kind of workload by anything mainstream in that budget range, beaten only by the 5900x/5950x, both of which are next to impossible to obtain and cost a small fortune.

If core count is the absolute must, and budget not the issue, skip mainstream and wait for 5000 series Threadripper.

 

[enduserCC]

"Slightly less powerful" is debatable. Depends on how effectively you'll be using > 16 threads because the 5800X has a much better per-core performance.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y6Qxmk

CPU | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor | $484.00 - Do some research to figure out if you actually NEED more than 8c/16t for your workload. The per-core performance of Ryzen 5000 is better than Ryzen 3000
CPU Cooler | Corsair H115i PRO 55.4 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler | $217.99 - This is a $150 cooler
Motherboard | Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ATX AM4 Motherboard | $399.99 - Completely unnecessary. You can easily find something in the ~$200 range
Memory | Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $84.99 - Go 2x16GB
Memory | Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $84.99
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $74.99 - Go with a single 1TB
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $74.99
Storage | Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $55.49
Case | Cooler Master HAF XB EVO ATX Desktop Case | $104.99 - 2010 called and they want their case back!
Power Supply | Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $144.99 - 650W is plenty
Case Fan | Noctua A8 PWM 32.66 CFM 80 mm Fan | $15.95 - Say no to 80mm fans
Case Fan | Noctua A8 PWM 32.66 CFM 80 mm Fan | $15.95
Case Fan | Noctua A12x15 PWM 55.44 CFM 120 mm Fan | $19.95

Total | $1779.26

Thank you! It helps a lot 😄.
Some more details:
CPU:
As for the CPU I would justify the 3900X a safer choice from my perspective.
MOTHERBOARD:
I have no idea how to choose a motherboard, I just read an article which said thats the best overall. I like the dual ethenet port on the x570 though. Could you suggest one between the specs of those two (I definitely don't want to overclock, but want a quality motherboard, which could last).
RAM:
OK. I didn't know that 2x16 could work better than 4x8, thanks !
SSD:
I want a dual boot system (linux+windows), and I want to keep them physically separated.
CASE:
I really like the form factor of the HAF XB EVO, especially the "hot swappable" hdd carriages. I know that is an old case, but is there something wrong with it / is there something a newer case would be better at?
POWER SUPPLY:
Will a 650W be enough for the graphics card (rtx2060/2070/3060) too?
FANS:
Could you help me how do I know how many fan should I put in a case? Why are 80mm fans bad? Are they loud? Which one to go with instead?

Thanks in advance! 😀

 

[Jacozeelie]

Bigger the fan, much quiter to move air

 

[Karadjgne]

(I definitely don't want to overclock,

Yes, you do.
Overclocking is a general term for changing any of the settings from stock default.

If you set XMP to bring the ram upto rated speeds, that's overclocking, default is 2133MHz - 2933MHz depending on the cpu. If you drop voltages from auto to a lower set voltage, that's overclocking, running the cpu at a higher speed than the preset voltage dictates.

So yes, with a Ryzen you most definitely want to overclock.

For instance, my 3700x max turbo is 4.4GHz according to AMD. Single core, all cores varies according to temps, but generally around 4.0-4.2GHz. Many ppl have a hard time reaching those numbers stock because of 1 thing. Temps. They run auto voltages which can set 1.5v or higher single core and 1.4v or higher multi core. And full load temps in the 80's or more.

Simply changed the Auto to offset mode, negative, 0.2v and now my cpu hits full loads at 62°C, boost is 4. 250GHz all core. Without that drop on voltage I was hitting higher 80's and a boost of 3.78GHz all core. For the most part I'm hitting 4.4GHz to 4.3GHz across most cores while gaming, instead of 4.105-4.25GHz.

That and used Dram Calculator and Typhoon Burner software to dial in my ram subtimings for Much better Cinebench R20 scores, went from 3723 to 4893 with lower temps overall.

It's not the standard Intel 'oh let's see how fast we can go' type OC, it's more of a let's get it running better OC, which is what you want to do with a Ryzen. All settings were adjusted in Bios, no pbo or auto OC crap.

Apart from the obvious performance increases, the single biggest benefit of dropping the temps was to my ears. The fans went from 'noise pollution' to 'omg is it still running'

 

[tennis2]

CPU:
As for the CPU I would justify the 3900X a safer choice from my perspective. - That's a usage decision that's yours to make. There are plenty of performance reviews and comparisons out there to help you with your decision
MOTHERBOARD:
I have no idea how to choose a motherboard, I just read an article which said thats the best overall. I like the dual ethenet port on the x570 though. Could you suggest one between the specs of those two (I definitely don't want to overclock, but want a quality motherboard, which could last). - Is dual ethernet a requirement? Mobos are primarily chosen based on pricing, VRM (cpu power delivery robustness), and features. Once you define the features you NEED (will actually use), the rest is quite simple. Judging by your SSD comment, dual M.2 slots would be a requirement (not very hard to satisfy). Will you ever use multiple GPUs? Probably not for personal use. Will you ever use dual Ethernet? Etc etc. Be realistic with your wishlist.
RAM:
OK. I didn't know that 2x16 could work better than 4x8, thanks !
SSD:
I want a dual boot system (linux+windows), and I want to keep them physically separated. Will your Linux install need the same storage space as your Windows one? Why are you against partitioning a single SSD? Are both OSes pulling from the hdd?
CASE:
I really like the form factor of the HAF XB EVO, especially the "hot swappable" hdd carriages. I know that is an old case, but is there something wrong with it / is there something a newer case would be better at? - Will you actually be HOT swapping hdds?
POWER SUPPLY:
Will a 650W be enough for the graphics card (rtx2060/2070/3060) too? - Yes, again. If that's uncomfortable for you, buy a 750W. Then you're covered for a 3080Ti
FANS:
Could you help me how do I know how many fan should I put in a case? Why are 80mm fans bad? Are they loud? Which one to go with instead? - Larger fans spin slower to move a given amount of CFM compared to smaller ones. Hence larger fans will be quieter at the same CFM. 80mm fans also have a finite amount of CFM they can produce (we'll ignore delta fans as a practical argument). With the system specs you're describing, 3x120mm (or equivalent) intake fans an 2x120mm exhaust fans is sufficient. I generally count fans blowing through an AIO radiator as 1/2 to 3/4 of a fan since airflow through rads is restrictive

 

[Karadjgne]

I generally count fans blowing through an AIO radiator as 1/2 to 3/4 of a fan since airflow through rads is restrictive

Somewhat, yes. But no. Cfm is cfm and even an aio (a clean one at least) doesn't provide enough restriction to prevent the cfm from entering the case. It does have a somewhat larger impact on static pressure. You'll still get roughly the same amount of air through a rad, it's just so diffused it doesn't go anywhere. Definitely an airflow impediment, but not an air volume impediment. Part of the reason why rads at exhaust are generally more productive overall, nobody cares about exhaust flow once it's beyond the case walls.

But over time, that input air will flood the case, so really isn't an issue during extended usage, but can give funky readings for short duration tests.

 

[tennis2]

Cfm is cfm and even an aio (a clean one at least) doesn't provide enough restriction to prevent the cfm from entering the case.

Somewhat, yes. But no.
Haha
Agree to disagree. I don't want to expend the effort explaining my opposition.

 

[Karadjgne]

Lol. I bet. I've read many of your rebuttle posts, they do get rather involved, you find stuff ppl never knew existed and put forth convincing argument that's hard to disagree with.

Thing is, the air is always there. There's enough static pressure from the fans to force it through, but it does go through. It doesn't just disappear on the back side of the rad, it's there, being pushed along by the constant wave of air following it. Eventually enough will flood that area that it will be attracted to the low pressure area of exhaust fans and/or gpu fans and move in that direction. It's also picking up radiated heat from chipsets/drives and rising of its own accord, but it's definitely not a controlled airflow as seen by unobstructed fans and aircooler pathways.

 

[Th4nato5]

I have been using business laptops from start 2010's (which I by the way got from a german dumpster 😄), but now I got the resources to buy my first pc, althought it might not be the best time.
I am a CS student, and I am in my second semester. For my current needs, and usage pattern it might be overkill, but I want to build a PC that could last (just like those good old Dell Latitudes), with minimal upgrades. The video card is not on the list, since the avaibility in EU is terrible, and I am not a gamer either. I would want to put in a card not better than an rtx3060/2060 (if I find one for reasonable price).
I would love to hear suggestions what should I change, and if everything is compatible?
+ Would a 650W power supply be enough or should I go with the 850W one?

Here are the parts:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y6Qxmk

CPU | AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor | $484.00 @ Adorama
CPU Cooler | Corsair H115i PRO 55.4 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler | $217.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ATX AM4 Motherboard | $399.99 @ Amazon
Memory | Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $84.99 @ Walmart
Memory | Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $84.99 @ Walmart
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $74.99 @ B&H
Storage | Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive | $74.99 @ B&H
Storage | Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive | $55.49 @ Newegg
Case | Cooler Master HAF XB EVO ATX Desktop Case | $104.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply | Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $144.99 @ Best Buy
Case Fan | Noctua A8 PWM 32.66 CFM 80 mm Fan | $15.95 @ Amazon
Case Fan | Noctua A8 PWM 32.66 CFM 80 mm Fan | $15.95 @ Amazon
Case Fan | Noctua A12x15 PWM 55.44 CFM 120 mm Fan | $19.95 @ Amazon

Total | $1779.26

That looks more like a gaming set up than a video editing set up. Also, I would not buy Seagate Barracuda. If you are getting a X570 board with a 3900X, you might as well get 980 Pro SSDs instead. That being said, 5800X is better than a 3900X.

If you are going to get an AIO, you could just get a Noctua NH-D15 Air cooler instead since the cooling on that is almost the same as a 240 mm AIO.