First build thoughts?

[Cellar_Door]

As the title suggests, this will mark my first rig build, and I'd simply like some insight

I've given each component careful consideration, compared parts, forum lurked, etc. But such knowledge is superficial, I'm still a novice and there are things I can't see or predict.

With that in mind, here is the build I've constructed-
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/CellarDoor/saved/34ER


Any advice on potential problems, compatibility issues, etc would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance

 

[Rammy]

Without a stated usage, any comments people make are pretty guess based.

What I can tell you, regardless of usage, is that it's very expensive for what you are getting.
For most usages, a standard 1155/1150 i5 or 17 (depending on purpose) is a better value solution.
For pretty much any use, a 4Gb GTX760 is pointless, or at the very least, poor value.
An 850W PSU is massive overkill for that build as it stands. Somewhere in the region of 550W would be plenty. The only way that PSU makes sense if you plan on using three GTX760s, and that in itself doesn't make much sense.

 

[Cellar_Door]

Without a stated usage, any comments people make are pretty guess based.

What I can tell you, regardless of usage, is that it's very expensive for what you are getting.
For most usages, a standard 1155/1150 i5 or 17 (depending on purpose) is a better value solution.
For pretty much any use, a 4Gb GTX760 is pointless, or at the very least, poor value.
An 850W PSU is massive overkill for that build as it stands. Somewhere in the region of 550W would be plenty. The only way that PSU makes sense if you plan on using three GTX760s, and that in itself doesn't make much sense.

Hm, I see what you're saying. I planned this rig with future proofing in mind regarding upgrades and such, which is why I went with the 850 PSU and an i7 setup. Usage-wise, It's essentially a do-everything build. Multimedia applications, work, gaming, etc.

In time I planned on expanding with another GTX760 when I have some spare cash and the price has dropped, but if even that is pointless could you explain why? And perhaps a good alternative?

 

[RazerZ]

Without a stated usage, any comments people make are pretty guess based.

What I can tell you, regardless of usage, is that it's very expensive for what you are getting.
For most usages, a standard 1155/1150 i5 or 17 (depending on purpose) is a better value solution.
For pretty much any use, a 4Gb GTX760 is pointless, or at the very least, poor value.
An 850W PSU is massive overkill for that build as it stands. Somewhere in the region of 550W would be plenty. The only way that PSU makes sense if you plan on using three GTX760s, and that in itself doesn't make much sense.

Hm, I see what you're saying. I planned this rig with future proofing in mind regarding upgrades and such, which is why I went with the 850 PSU and an i7 setup. Usage-wise, It's essentially a do-everything build. Multimedia applications, work, gaming, etc.

In time I planned on expanding with another GTX760 when I have some spare cash and the price has dropped, but if even that is pointless could you explain why? And perhaps a good alternative?

Using two GTX 760s should work great, it's just that if you use three or four than the system can actually slow down instead of speeding up. As far as future proofing goes, these days you can't really future proof so there's no point with the i7. If you want I can put together a build that is a lot more efficient performance and cost wise.

 

[Cellar_Door]

Without a stated usage, any comments people make are pretty guess based.

What I can tell you, regardless of usage, is that it's very expensive for what you are getting.
For most usages, a standard 1155/1150 i5 or 17 (depending on purpose) is a better value solution.
For pretty much any use, a 4Gb GTX760 is pointless, or at the very least, poor value.
An 850W PSU is massive overkill for that build as it stands. Somewhere in the region of 550W would be plenty. The only way that PSU makes sense if you plan on using three GTX760s, and that in itself doesn't make much sense.

Hm, I see what you're saying. I planned this rig with future proofing in mind regarding upgrades and such, which is why I went with the 850 PSU and an i7 setup. Usage-wise, It's essentially a do-everything build. Multimedia applications, work, gaming, etc.

In time I planned on expanding with another GTX760 when I have some spare cash and the price has dropped, but if even that is pointless could you explain why? And perhaps a good alternative?

Using two GTX 760s should work great, it's just that if you use three or four than the system can actually slow down instead of speeding up. As far as future proofing goes, these days you can't really future proof so there's no point with the i7. If you want I can put together a build that is a lot more efficient performance and cost wise.

That would be really helpful if it's not too much trouble. I've been aiming for building under $1600AUD, so that's a vague price limit to go by.

I have to say I'm really surprised at how many people seem to dislike the i7's, and I can't really figure out why. If you can afford one, surely it would be worth getting for future applications? near as I can tell i5's are either obsolete, or will be soon. Might as well get a foot in the proverbial door?

 

[Cellar_Door]

If I could afford it, I would have liked to get a 3930k, and I might if I can scrounge up the funds. I have a friend who adamantly sings it's praises, and I can sort of see why. It's a very appealing CPU.

:Edit:
Okay, so I reworked a new build centered around the i5 4670k, changed to a lower wattage PSU, and switched out the Graphics card for dual GTX 660's.
~ http://pcpartpicker.com/user/CellarDoor/saved/355t

It's around $100 cheaper than my original i7 4820k build with single GTX 760.
~ http://pcpartpicker.com/user/CellarDoor/saved/34ER

All in all, Im not sure the 100 bucks I save now is really worth it balanced against the cost of upgrading it in the future versus the i7 build which would only need another 760 a few years down the line to keep up with everything.

Again, these are just the observations of a novice. I'm interested to see what you guys have to say on this.

 

[RazerZ]

Without a stated usage, any comments people make are pretty guess based.

What I can tell you, regardless of usage, is that it's very expensive for what you are getting.
For most usages, a standard 1155/1150 i5 or 17 (depending on purpose) is a better value solution.
For pretty much any use, a 4Gb GTX760 is pointless, or at the very least, poor value.
An 850W PSU is massive overkill for that build as it stands. Somewhere in the region of 550W would be plenty. The only way that PSU makes sense if you plan on using three GTX760s, and that in itself doesn't make much sense.

Hm, I see what you're saying. I planned this rig with future proofing in mind regarding upgrades and such, which is why I went with the 850 PSU and an i7 setup. Usage-wise, It's essentially a do-everything build. Multimedia applications, work, gaming, etc.

In time I planned on expanding with another GTX760 when I have some spare cash and the price has dropped, but if even that is pointless could you explain why? And perhaps a good alternative?

Using two GTX 760s should work great, it's just that if you use three or four than the system can actually slow down instead of speeding up. As far as future proofing goes, these days you can't really future proof so there's no point with the i7. If you want I can put together a build that is a lot more efficient performance and cost wise.

That would be really helpful if it's not too much trouble. I've been aiming for building under $1600AUD, so that's a vague price limit to go by.

I have to say I'm really surprised at how many people seem to dislike the i7's, and I can't really figure out why. If you can afford one, surely it would be worth getting for future applications? near as I can tell i5's are either obsolete, or will be soon. Might as well get a foot in the proverbial door?

Since you live in Australia use this website:

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/CellarDoor/saved/34ER

 

[Cellar_Door]

Without a stated usage, any comments people make are pretty guess based.

What I can tell you, regardless of usage, is that it's very expensive for what you are getting.
For most usages, a standard 1155/1150 i5 or 17 (depending on purpose) is a better value solution.
For pretty much any use, a 4Gb GTX760 is pointless, or at the very least, poor value.
An 850W PSU is massive overkill for that build as it stands. Somewhere in the region of 550W would be plenty. The only way that PSU makes sense if you plan on using three GTX760s, and that in itself doesn't make much sense.

Hm, I see what you're saying. I planned this rig with future proofing in mind regarding upgrades and such, which is why I went with the 850 PSU and an i7 setup. Usage-wise, It's essentially a do-everything build. Multimedia applications, work, gaming, etc.

In time I planned on expanding with another GTX760 when I have some spare cash and the price has dropped, but if even that is pointless could you explain why? And perhaps a good alternative?

Using two GTX 760s should work great, it's just that if you use three or four than the system can actually slow down instead of speeding up. As far as future proofing goes, these days you can't really future proof so there's no point with the i7. If you want I can put together a build that is a lot more efficient performance and cost wise.

That would be really helpful if it's not too much trouble. I've been aiming for building under $1600AUD, so that's a vague price limit to go by.

I have to say I'm really surprised at how many people seem to dislike the i7's, and I can't really figure out why. If you can afford one, surely it would be worth getting for future applications? near as I can tell i5's are either obsolete, or will be soon. Might as well get a foot in the proverbial door?

Since you live in Australia use this website:

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/CellarDoor/saved/34ER

Rather stupid of me... Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

 

[RazerZ]

Without a stated usage, any comments people make are pretty guess based.

What I can tell you, regardless of usage, is that it's very expensive for what you are getting.
For most usages, a standard 1155/1150 i5 or 17 (depending on purpose) is a better value solution.
For pretty much any use, a 4Gb GTX760 is pointless, or at the very least, poor value.
An 850W PSU is massive overkill for that build as it stands. Somewhere in the region of 550W would be plenty. The only way that PSU makes sense if you plan on using three GTX760s, and that in itself doesn't make much sense.

Hm, I see what you're saying. I planned this rig with future proofing in mind regarding upgrades and such, which is why I went with the 850 PSU and an i7 setup. Usage-wise, It's essentially a do-everything build. Multimedia applications, work, gaming, etc.

In time I planned on expanding with another GTX760 when I have some spare cash and the price has dropped, but if even that is pointless could you explain why? And perhaps a good alternative?

Using two GTX 760s should work great, it's just that if you use three or four than the system can actually slow down instead of speeding up. As far as future proofing goes, these days you can't really future proof so there's no point with the i7. If you want I can put together a build that is a lot more efficient performance and cost wise.

That would be really helpful if it's not too much trouble. I've been aiming for building under $1600AUD, so that's a vague price limit to go by.

I have to say I'm really surprised at how many people seem to dislike the i7's, and I can't really figure out why. If you can afford one, surely it would be worth getting for future applications? near as I can tell i5's are either obsolete, or will be soon. Might as well get a foot in the proverbial door?

Since you live in Australia use this website:

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/CellarDoor/saved/34ER

Rather stupid of me... Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

Haha sure

 

[Rammy]

Hm, I see what you're saying. I planned this rig with future proofing in mind regarding upgrades and such, which is why I went with the 850 PSU and an i7 setup. Usage-wise, It's essentially a do-everything build. Multimedia applications, work, gaming, etc.

In time I planned on expanding with another GTX760 when I have some spare cash and the price has dropped, but if even that is pointless could you explain why? And perhaps a good alternative?

GTX760 SLI makes sense, Razerz pretty much covered what I meant in that allowing for 3-4way SLI rarely does.
Also, a 4GB GTX760 performs identically to a 2Gb GTX760. By the time you've pushed the resolution or detail levels high enough for 2Gb of memory to be insufficient, the games will be unplayable on either version. Even when considering future SLI and high level resolutions, you ultimately run into the same issue - you run out of GPU compute power an awful lot quicker than you run out of memory. Additionally, a 4Gb GTX760 is very similarly priced to the significantly better R9 280X.

I have to say I'm really surprised at how many people seem to dislike the i7's, and I can't really figure out why. If you can afford one, surely it would be worth getting for future applications? near as I can tell i5's are either obsolete, or will be soon. Might as well get a foot in the proverbial door?

I think everyone likes i7s, but they struggle to justify their price tag. However you spin it, an i7 is a glorified quad core processor, and an i5 is a quad core processor which costs about a third less. If you take a standard i5 and an i7 from the same generation (so say Haswell) and same clock speed, they will perform near to identically in the vast majority of tasks. There are exceptions this this, and you are correct in that things are becoming more and more heavily threaded, but right now (and for the forseeable future) an i5 is by no means a limitation and if it gives you a big handful of cash to spend elsewhere on performance, then i5 builds will always outperform i7 builds for the same price.

If I could afford it, I would have liked to get a 3930k, and I might if I can scrounge up the funds. I have a friend who adamantly sings it's praises, and I can sort of see why. It's a very appealing CPU.

:Edit:
Okay, so I reworked a new build centered around the i5 4670k, changed to a lower wattage PSU, and switched out the Graphics card for dual GTX 660's.
~ http://pcpartpicker.com/user/CellarDoor/saved/355t

It's around $100 cheaper than my original i7 4820k build with single GTX 760.
~ http://pcpartpicker.com/user/CellarDoor/saved/34ER

All in all, Im not sure the 100 bucks I save now is really worth it balanced against the cost of upgrading it in the future versus the i7 build which would only need another 760 a few years down the line to keep up with everything.

Again, these are just the observations of a novice. I'm interested to see what you guys have to say on this.

People have said in the past that the Australian version of PCpartpicker isn't very good (lack of choice and poor shipping costs/restrictions from retailers) but it's probably not bad as a rough price guide, especially for someone like me who has no idea how much you can buy with your budget.

The "problem", and I mean this constructively, with your builds is that you could get the same results for a lot less money. If you have no specific purpose for the LGA2011 format, then it's unlikely to offer you good value for money. In the same way that an i7 offers little over an i5 for gaming and basic tasks, increasing the cost and number of cores/threads decreases your value-for-money by giving you resources you are unlikely to ever use.

If you want to extract the best value, there are quite a few other components which you can save money on without hindering performance-
H100i could be swapped for a dramatically cheaper air cooler.
Motherboard is very expensive.
16Gb of ram could go to 8Gb (8Gb is plenty for gaming and most applications, plus its really easy to upgrade later)
Caviar Black drives are expensive due to their 5year warranty. You can save money by swapping to a Seagate Barracuda 2TB or similar alternative.
Case - if you really like the Storm Trooper then go for it. Good case. It's not the cheapest though, and you can definitely cut some funds here if needed.
Two graphics cards on a new build is a dubious choice in most circumstances. At the super high end, where you are desperate for performance, it's more or less the only option, but using two mid range cards right out of the gate does kinda limit you in the future. If you were struggling for money and wanted to use a single mid range card, adding a second in the short-medium term, then there is some sense in that. For a complete new build, a single graphics card is almost always going to be the better investment.

As an illustration, here's your 4670k build, tweaked for efficiency, but with an utterly ridiculous graphics card in it.
http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/2gVqn
Yeah it's over budget, but I think it works kinda well to show you how dramatically you can change the price.
If you swapped the very silly GTX780Ti for a more sensible GTX770 or R9 280X you drop to price to $1250-1300, well within your budget. This gives you huge amount of flexibility with regards to where you spend your money.

 

[Cellar_Door]

Hm, I see what you're saying. I planned this rig with future proofing in mind regarding upgrades and such, which is why I went with the 850 PSU and an i7 setup. Usage-wise, It's essentially a do-everything build. Multimedia applications, work, gaming, etc.

In time I planned on expanding with another GTX760 when I have some spare cash and the price has dropped, but if even that is pointless could you explain why? And perhaps a good alternative?

GTX760 SLI makes sense, Razerz pretty much covered what I meant in that allowing for 3-4way SLI rarely does.
Also, a 4GB GTX760 performs identically to a 2Gb GTX760. By the time you've pushed the resolution or detail levels high enough for 2Gb of memory to be insufficient, the games will be unplayable on either version. Even when considering future SLI and high level resolutions, you ultimately run into the same issue - you run out of GPU compute power an awful lot quicker than you run out of memory. Additionally, a 4Gb GTX760 is very similarly priced to the significantly better R9 280X.

I have to say I'm really surprised at how many people seem to dislike the i7's, and I can't really figure out why. If you can afford one, surely it would be worth getting for future applications? near as I can tell i5's are either obsolete, or will be soon. Might as well get a foot in the proverbial door?

I think everyone likes i7s, but they struggle to justify their price tag. However you spin it, an i7 is a glorified quad core processor, and an i5 is a quad core processor which costs about a third less. If you take a standard i5 and an i7 from the same generation (so say Haswell) and same clock speed, they will perform near to identically in the vast majority of tasks. There are exceptions this this, and you are correct in that things are becoming more and more heavily threaded, but right now (and for the forseeable future) an i5 is by no means a limitation and if it gives you a big handful of cash to spend elsewhere on performance, then i5 builds will always outperform i7 builds for the same price.

If I could afford it, I would have liked to get a 3930k, and I might if I can scrounge up the funds. I have a friend who adamantly sings it's praises, and I can sort of see why. It's a very appealing CPU.

:Edit:
Okay, so I reworked a new build centered around the i5 4670k, changed to a lower wattage PSU, and switched out the Graphics card for dual GTX 660's.
~ http://pcpartpicker.com/user/CellarDoor/saved/355t

It's around $100 cheaper than my original i7 4820k build with single GTX 760.
~ http://pcpartpicker.com/user/CellarDoor/saved/34ER

All in all, Im not sure the 100 bucks I save now is really worth it balanced against the cost of upgrading it in the future versus the i7 build which would only need another 760 a few years down the line to keep up with everything.

Again, these are just the observations of a novice. I'm interested to see what you guys have to say on this.

People have said in the past that the Australian version of PCpartpicker isn't very good (lack of choice and poor shipping costs/restrictions from retailers) but it's probably not bad as a rough price guide, especially for someone like me who has no idea how much you can buy with your budget.

The "problem", and I mean this constructively, with your builds is that you could get the same results for a lot less money. If you have no specific purpose for the LGA2011 format, then it's unlikely to offer you good value for money. In the same way that an i7 offers little over an i5 for gaming and basic tasks, increasing the cost and number of cores/threads decreases your value-for-money by giving you resources you are unlikely to ever use.

If you want to extract the best value, there are quite a few other components which you can save money on without hindering performance-
H100i could be swapped for a dramatically cheaper air cooler.
Motherboard is very expensive.
16Gb of ram could go to 8Gb (8Gb is plenty for gaming and most applications, plus its really easy to upgrade later)
Caviar Black drives are expensive due to their 5year warranty. You can save money by swapping to a Seagate Barracuda 2TB or similar alternative.
Case - if you really like the Storm Trooper then go for it. Good case. It's not the cheapest though, and you can definitely cut some funds here if needed.
Two graphics cards on a new build is a dubious choice in most circumstances. At the super high end, where you are desperate for performance, it's more or less the only option, but using two mid range cards right out of the gate does kinda limit you in the future. If you were struggling for money and wanted to use a single mid range card, adding a second in the short-medium term, then there is some sense in that. For a complete new build, a single graphics card is almost always going to be the better investment.

As an illustration, here's your 4670k build, tweaked for efficiency, but with an utterly ridiculous graphics card in it.
http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/2gVqn
Yeah it's over budget, but I think it works kinda well to show you how dramatically you can change the price.
If you swapped the very silly GTX780Ti for a more sensible GTX770 or R9 280X you drop to price to $1250-1300, well within your budget. This gives you huge amount of flexibility with regards to where you spend your money.

That is exactly the kind of response I was looking for, very in depth, thank you. And you're right, maybe I was just pointlessly shooting for the heavens for not much of a tangible reason.

In regards to gaming I feel hyper-threading is still something to consider. Even though it's not very well utilized now, it will be in the coming times post next-gen consoles. So while it might be more cost effective now to brush that aside, the industry landscape is approaching/at a crossroad.

I guess it's partly poor timing on my part, planning a build so soon after an event like the release of new generation consoles. It makes me very hesitant to decide one way or the other. I see the merits of what you're saying, but I still think at this point going with an i5 could potentially end up biting me on the ass later. Maybe I should put it off for early next year some time, give things time to settle.

Who knew planning a PC could be so stressful lol :/

 

[RazerZ]

Hm, I see what you're saying. I planned this rig with future proofing in mind regarding upgrades and such, which is why I went with the 850 PSU and an i7 setup. Usage-wise, It's essentially a do-everything build. Multimedia applications, work, gaming, etc.

In time I planned on expanding with another GTX760 when I have some spare cash and the price has dropped, but if even that is pointless could you explain why? And perhaps a good alternative?

GTX760 SLI makes sense, Razerz pretty much covered what I meant in that allowing for 3-4way SLI rarely does.
Also, a 4GB GTX760 performs identically to a 2Gb GTX760. By the time you've pushed the resolution or detail levels high enough for 2Gb of memory to be insufficient, the games will be unplayable on either version. Even when considering future SLI and high level resolutions, you ultimately run into the same issue - you run out of GPU compute power an awful lot quicker than you run out of memory. Additionally, a 4Gb GTX760 is very similarly priced to the significantly better R9 280X.

I have to say I'm really surprised at how many people seem to dislike the i7's, and I can't really figure out why. If you can afford one, surely it would be worth getting for future applications? near as I can tell i5's are either obsolete, or will be soon. Might as well get a foot in the proverbial door?

I think everyone likes i7s, but they struggle to justify their price tag. However you spin it, an i7 is a glorified quad core processor, and an i5 is a quad core processor which costs about a third less. If you take a standard i5 and an i7 from the same generation (so say Haswell) and same clock speed, they will perform near to identically in the vast majority of tasks. There are exceptions this this, and you are correct in that things are becoming more and more heavily threaded, but right now (and for the forseeable future) an i5 is by no means a limitation and if it gives you a big handful of cash to spend elsewhere on performance, then i5 builds will always outperform i7 builds for the same price.

If I could afford it, I would have liked to get a 3930k, and I might if I can scrounge up the funds. I have a friend who adamantly sings it's praises, and I can sort of see why. It's a very appealing CPU.

:Edit:
Okay, so I reworked a new build centered around the i5 4670k, changed to a lower wattage PSU, and switched out the Graphics card for dual GTX 660's.
~ http://pcpartpicker.com/user/CellarDoor/saved/355t

It's around $100 cheaper than my original i7 4820k build with single GTX 760.
~ http://pcpartpicker.com/user/CellarDoor/saved/34ER

All in all, Im not sure the 100 bucks I save now is really worth it balanced against the cost of upgrading it in the future versus the i7 build which would only need another 760 a few years down the line to keep up with everything.

Again, these are just the observations of a novice. I'm interested to see what you guys have to say on this.

People have said in the past that the Australian version of PCpartpicker isn't very good (lack of choice and poor shipping costs/restrictions from retailers) but it's probably not bad as a rough price guide, especially for someone like me who has no idea how much you can buy with your budget.

The "problem", and I mean this constructively, with your builds is that you could get the same results for a lot less money. If you have no specific purpose for the LGA2011 format, then it's unlikely to offer you good value for money. In the same way that an i7 offers little over an i5 for gaming and basic tasks, increasing the cost and number of cores/threads decreases your value-for-money by giving you resources you are unlikely to ever use.

If you want to extract the best value, there are quite a few other components which you can save money on without hindering performance-
H100i could be swapped for a dramatically cheaper air cooler.
Motherboard is very expensive.
16Gb of ram could go to 8Gb (8Gb is plenty for gaming and most applications, plus its really easy to upgrade later)
Caviar Black drives are expensive due to their 5year warranty. You can save money by swapping to a Seagate Barracuda 2TB or similar alternative.
Case - if you really like the Storm Trooper then go for it. Good case. It's not the cheapest though, and you can definitely cut some funds here if needed.
Two graphics cards on a new build is a dubious choice in most circumstances. At the super high end, where you are desperate for performance, it's more or less the only option, but using two mid range cards right out of the gate does kinda limit you in the future. If you were struggling for money and wanted to use a single mid range card, adding a second in the short-medium term, then there is some sense in that. For a complete new build, a single graphics card is almost always going to be the better investment.

As an illustration, here's your 4670k build, tweaked for efficiency, but with an utterly ridiculous graphics card in it.
http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/2gVqn
Yeah it's over budget, but I think it works kinda well to show you how dramatically you can change the price.
If you swapped the very silly GTX780Ti for a more sensible GTX770 or R9 280X you drop to price to $1250-1300, well within your budget. This gives you huge amount of flexibility with regards to where you spend your money.

That is exactly the kind of response I was looking for, very in depth, thank you. And you're right, maybe I was just pointlessly shooting for the heavens for not much of a tangible reason.

In regards to gaming I feel hyper-threading is still something to consider. Even though it's not very well utilized now, it will be in the coming times post next-gen consoles. So while it might be more cost effective now to brush that aside, the industry landscape is approaching/at a crossroad.

I guess it's partly poor timing on my part, planning a build so soon after an event like the release of new generation consoles. It makes me very hesitant to decide one way or the other. I see the merits of what you're saying, but I still think at this point going with an i5 could potentially end up biting me on the ass later. Maybe I should put it off for early next year some time, give things time to settle.

Who knew planning a PC could be so stressful lol :/

Good idea because ddr4 ram is also coming early 2014

 

[Rammy]

Good idea because ddr4 ram is also coming early 2014

Probably not.
It's going to be available very soon, but supported by home platforms? Not for a long time, probably nearer a year or more, and that's assuming it's not prohibitively expensive.
News so far is that Broadwell won't support DDR4, it'll be Haswell-E and Skylake, so that's late 2014 and well into 2015 (could even be 2016 until we see sensibly priced DDR4 in desktops).
Also, while it's likely to be a nice boost overall, I wouldn't hold out just because it's coming. Slowest DDR4 will be similar to fast DDR3.

 

[RazerZ]

Good idea because ddr4 ram is also coming early 2014

Probably not.
It's going to be available very soon, but supported by home platforms? Not for a long time, probably nearer a year or more, and that's assuming it's not prohibitively expensive.
News so far is that Broadwell won't support DDR4, it'll be Haswell-E and Skylake, so that's late 2014 and well into 2015 (could even be 2016 until we see sensibly priced DDR4 in desktops).
Also, while it's likely to be a nice boost overall, I wouldn't hold out just because it's coming. Slowest DDR4 will be similar to fast DDR3.

Wow really.. So the crucial page landing saying scheduled for early 2014 is not for consumers?

 

[Rammy]

You can buy it. Whether or not you can use it....
My understanding is that it's for servers and other industrial scale applications.

As far as I know the first desktops that can use it will be on Haswell-E, so whenever that decides to launch (official eta somewhere in the second half of 2014 I think) followed by Skylake (late 2015 maybe).

 

[RazerZ]

You can buy it. Whether or not you can use it....
My understanding is that it's for servers and other industrial scale applications.

As far as I know the first desktops that can use it will be on Haswell-E, so whenever that decides to launch (official eta somewhere in the second half of 2014 I think) followed by Skylake (late 2015 maybe).

I see, thanks for the clarification