News First credible report of RTX 5090 FE with melted connector appears — third-party cable likely cause

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ah yes these cables are rated at 600w max yet ive heard alot of these cards are spiking into 650w and some are running at 620w. so out of spec. its not a wonder were seeing these connectors melt. we literally have seen these cards have thermal pads around the connector acting like a band aid for crap design.
 
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ah yes these cables are rated at 600w max yet ive heard alot of these cards are spiking into 650w and some are running at 620w. so out of spec. its not a wonder were seeing these connectors melt. we literally have seen these cards have thermal pads around the connector acting like a band aid for crap design.
HUB have used a thermal cam to visualize the temperature of the connector in their full tower case with good airflow (possible open side panel) and in a vertical mount:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jw6ZEhqhvo&t=778s


now in an SFF case with minimal space for airflow..
 
HUB have used a thermal cam to visualize the temperature of the connector in their full tower case with good airflow (possible open side panel) and in a vertical mount:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jw6ZEhqhvo&t=778s


now in an SFF case with minimal space for airflow..

its insane to see a card drawing 650w its clear these cards could clock higher if the dumb connector wasn't a thing or if NVidia just added a second connector.

just because the connector says it can handle 600w doesnt mean pin it against the wall.

ASUS ROG GeForce RTX 5090 ASTRAL OC Gaming

had stupidly high power in a review i checked max wattage 680...
gaming sitting at 634.

nvidia our cards are your new space heater.
 
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw7HaVRUN9k


Now another spanish guy have the connector melted his FSP 1000W PSU, it smells very popcorn-ish to me as it now looks very much like the card momentarily yet quite constantly peaks over the 600W spec, so that in cases where the overhead isn't enough, it will melt easily during normal use with the 5090, since both of the victims are using the non-OC FE cards, those factory OC giants will be very tempting to be observed.

With the cards constantly overspec of the cable I would imagine even the better quality PSUs with the ATX 3.1 standard will run into issues in the mid term when the heat cycles through.. The FE card was like... hitting the shelves in tiny amount and only just 10 days. Definitely would expect more dumpster fire
 
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndmoi1s0ZaY


The corpse of the 5090 and cable, PSU are examined by De8auer and he got some findings, dumpster fire V2.0 is coming
February 11. 2025 - Agreed.👍🏻 I just watched that video, and posted the link in reply to someone else in this forum. I'm definitely concerned about the choice that Nvidia has made about powering their latest GPUs. Prior to the 4000 series, I don't think there were any such problems. It reminds me of Apple answering concerns about a phone model they released years ago that was having problems.. "You're holding it wrong". Big companies offering poorly designed products. Nothing new here.. the Auto industry has had this problem for years. So much for Research and development. Stay well.
 
February 11. 2025 - Agreed.👍🏻 I just watched that video, and posted the link in reply to someone else in this forum. I'm definitely concerned about the choice that Nvidia has made about powering their latest GPUs. Prior to the 4000 series, I don't think there were any such problems. It reminds me of Apple answering concerns about a phone model they released years ago that was having problems.. "You're holding it wrong". Big companies offering poorly designed products. Nothing new here.. the Auto industry has had this problem for years. So much for Research and development. Stay well.
And then buildzoid have his comments, I wonder how will Nvidia respond. Especially when they claimed it's definitely solved and within days it just literally melted

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb5YzMoVQyw
 
So at this point it seems to me that anybody who uses 5090 now is in serious risk of house fire (maybe with exception of Asus Astral, but even then you need to be around your PC to react to software warning; if you are away it can melt as happily as other cards).

This is bad.
 
And then buildzoid have his comments, I wonder how will Nvidia respond. Especially when they claimed it's definitely solved and within days it just literally melted

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb5YzMoVQyw
February 11, 2025 - Hey YSCCC 😊 I can't thank you enough for passing on the link to that video👍👍I've never seen that channel before, but the host is a riot😁and really spells things out so that even I can understand them. I'm very brand loyal, but if I have to replace a GPU before Nvidia REALLY addresses this very serious problem. I'm going to have consider purchasing an AMD GPU. I guess my purchasing Nvidia GPUs for decades was because it had the same appeal as Apple and their products. But it would appear that EVGA really identified early on that Nvidia had gone over to "the dark side", and has betrayed its loyal customers because it has found another "cash cow". Stay well and thanks again.😉
 
February 11, 2025 - Hey YSCCC 😊 I can't thank you enough for passing on the link to that video👍👍I've never seen that channel before, but the host is a riot😁and really spells things out so that even I can understand them. I'm very brand loyal, but if I have to replace a GPU before Nvidia REALLY addresses this very serious problem. I'm going to have consider purchasing an AMD GPU. I guess my purchasing Nvidia GPUs for decades was because it had the same appeal as Apple and their products. But it would appear that EVGA really identified early on that Nvidia had gone over to "the dark side", and has betrayed its loyal customers because it has found another "cash cow". Stay well and thanks again.😉
You're welcome, I've been following him unfortunately from... the RPL degradation gate... although I do day one undervolt of 50mV after initial cinebenching it with unlimited POR day one since it replacing the 12700KF in the same Z690 board(seeing 1.49v VID) but I really learnt from buildzoid for how to seriously undervolt and then set the VR limit of the raptor lake (I set mine to 1.45v for max perf). Now another disaster design and he's coming out again.. finger crossed I don't need to reference to his videos in future
 
You're welcome, I've been following him unfortunately from... the RPL degradation gate... although I do day one undervolt of 50mV after initial cinebenching it with unlimited POR day one since it replacing the 12700KF in the same Z690 board(seeing 1.49v VID) but I really learnt from buildzoid for how to seriously undervolt and then set the VR limit of the raptor lake (I set mine to 1.45v for max perf). Now another disaster design and he's coming out again.. finger crossed I don't need to reference to his videos in future
Hey Man. Thanks for your quick response. I just shared the link to the video you provided with a few of my Tech friends. While I have built a number of Desktop PCs. I am way below the Tech level of folks like yourself and obviously the host of that video. He really made me laugh at how he tried to find words to express his amazement at how Nvidia designed their latest cards. Once again, I'm in your debt. I hope all of your future builds will cause you to exclaim.. "It's alive!!!", the moment you press the power button on the first try👍👍😁
 
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Cheap thing with 1 year warranty?? It's an Asus ROG LOKI 1000 W 80+ Platinum, priced at $250 and with a 10-year warranty. More than acceptable.
I agree. I don't think some builders realize who makes what. They are well built, and i have a feeling that what YSCC stated is what may have occurred. Cable couldn't take the continuous high current flow causing heat at both ends and then meltdown. Be interesting to see the outcome.
 
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Who's got the marshmallows?

Something went wrong obviously as the cable melted. All parties involved will or course pull in the draw bridge and the accusations will start flying.

You did it. No, you did it.

After market cable? Which was fine on the previous 4090?

Who knows. Maybe they liked AMD and wanted to make a point by OC'ing to within and inch of the things life to see if it would melt.

You and i know nada.
Except we do know. Because der8auer already made a video about it....and found, using his own 5090 FE for testing, that one of the 6 pins that actually carries power was pulling 23 amps, while another was pulling 20amps, while the remainder were pulling almost NOTHING.

Had load been properly distributed, each pin would pull 8 amps to hit the rated 575w, and no more than 9.5 amps if it were hitting the maximum of 680w the connector is technically rated for. It took a couple of minutes for the temp of the wire carrying that overload to hit 90c.

How exactly do you think someone is going to "overclock it within an inch of things"? The power slider tops out at 104% on FE cards, which would still "only" be 598w.

JayzTwoCents likewise already found that his AIB 5090, at stock settings has a default power draw of 630w. Which is....ya know, too high. While Igor's lab testing has shown the 5090s to have a burst power draw of 738w.

It's a bad design. It was a bad design on the 4090 when 450w cards were burning up, it's a worse design on a 575w card.

https://der8auer.com/

 
Except we do know. Because der8auer already made a video about it....and found, using his own 5090 FE for testing, that one of the 6 pins that actually carries power was pulling 23 amps, while another was pulling 20amps, while the remainder were pulling almost NOTHING.

Had load been properly distributed, each pin would pull 8 amps to hit the rated 575w, and no more than 9.5 amps if it were hitting the maximum of 680w the connector is technically rated for. It took a couple of minutes for the temp of the wire carrying that overload to hit 90c.

How exactly do you think someone is going to "overclock it within an inch of things"? The power slider tops out at 104% on FE cards, which would still "only" be 598w.

JayzTwoCents likewise already found that his AIB 5090, at stock settings has a default power draw of 630w. Which is....ya know, too high. While Igor's lab testing has shown the 5090s to have a burst power draw of 738w.

It's a bad design. It was a bad design on the 4090 when 450w cards were burning up, it's a worse design on a 575w card.

https://der8auer.com/

I believe the issue was long term using, especially in a SFF case where heat is trapped inside literally like an oven and things sprial to oblivation soon.

De8auer and the redditer might have been unlucky on the FE having a slightly defective socket, or that the cable is literally unusable after a few cycles of unplugging and re-plugging in and leading to resistance difference.

Some other respected guys like Wendel from levelone tech and Falcon NW have tested their own setups with 5090FE and luckily they didn't see the imbalance draw on wires
But either way, even assume both cases are slightly worn cables without apparent sign, there are few issues IMO:

1) As Buildzoid explained, the GPU design literally have no warning mechanism to just bloody cut the power draw and beep the s__t out your pants if such imperfection occurrs, be it worn out cables or manufacturing defect of the socket/cable

2) Redudancy is way lower than the previous 8pin standard

And even with those "balanced power delivery" cases, you can see the connector temperature is literally going from 68C to 80C in full load, and when one is measuring, it's either open bench or a tower case with open side panel, aka semi-open bench, and these temperatures are a big red flag at least to myself, it's now still winter/spring in the US, I assume ppl test it in heated room temp of ~21C, at summer you can easily put it at 25-27C for normal operation, and if ppl live in tropics without AC, it could be 30C+, which will put 10C on top.

Then there's the heat dumping of the card to the air inside the case, as most gamers likely don't put the fans in jet engine mode, 500W+ of heat circulating inside would easily rise the internal air temp another 10-20C (guesstimated from reports that in a FE card using with a 9800X3D compared to 4090 or similar raise the air cooled 9800X3D by 20C and throttling)

Adding these two together you could've encountering 85-100C on the exterior of the plug, and we know that plastic is a good heat insulator, so the internal temp is of anyone's guess, which doesn't sound good anyway...

And more ridiculously... putting the same shunt resistor circuit inside the GPU as in the 3090Ti config could at least save the card from fire, and from the good old days going from Molex 4pin in the 9700pro subsequently to 6pin and then 8pin and MULTIPLE 8pin have already got a good old solution... when you are too close to the rated capacity of the connector, just get another one, EVGA did that in kingpin 3090Ti, I don't see any reason of having the 5090 to use a single connector and call it a day
 
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I believe the issue was long term using, especially in a SFF case where heat is trapped inside literally like an oven and things sprial to oblivation soon.

De8auer and the redditer might have been unlucky on the FE having a slightly defective socket, or that the cable is literally unusable after a few cycles of unplugging and re-plugging in and leading to resistance difference.

Some other respected guys like Wendel from levelone tech and Falcon NW have tested their own setups with 5090FE and luckily they didn't see the imbalance draw on wires
But either way, even assume both cases are slightly worn cables without apparent sign, there are few issues IMO:

1) As Buildzoid explained, the GPU design literally have no warning mechanism to just bloody cut the power draw and beep the s__t out your pants if such imperfection occurrs, be it worn out cables or manufacturing defect of the socket/cable

2) Redudancy is way lower than the previous 8pin standard

And even with those "balanced power delivery" cases, you can see the connector temperature is literally going from 68C to 80C in full load, and when one is measuring, it's either open bench or a tower case with open side panel, aka semi-open bench, and these temperatures are a big red flag at least to myself, it's now still winter/spring in the US, I assume ppl test it in heated room temp of ~21C, at summer you can easily put it at 25-27C for normal operation, and if ppl live in tropics without AC, it could be 30C+, which will put 10C on top.

Then there's the heat dumping of the card to the air inside the case, as most gamers likely don't put the fans in jet engine mode, 500W+ of heat circulating inside would easily rise the internal air temp another 10-20C (guesstimated from reports that in a FE card using with a 9800X3D compared to 4090 or similar raise the air cooled 9800X3D by 20C and throttling)

Adding these two together you could've encountering 85-100C on the exterior of the plug, and we know that plastic is a good heat insulator, so the internal temp is of anyone's guess, which doesn't sound good anyway...

And more ridiculously... putting the same shunt resistor circuit inside the GPU as in the 3090Ti config could at least save the card from fire, and from the good old days going from Molex 4pin in the 9700pro subsequently to 6pin and then 8pin and MULTIPLE 8pin have already got a good old solution... when you are too close to the rated capacity of the connector, just get another one, EVGA did that in kingpin 3090Ti, I don't see any reason of having the 5090 to use a single connector and call it a day
I read a couple of the comments below the Der 8auer video, and two people who claim to be electrical engineers say they think the plating was worn on these plugs, which could have led to different levels of resistance between the individual cables. Is that similar to what you mean? I'm trying to understand it better since I'm not really in the field, this wasn't exactly my best topic at university, lol.

In any case, these temperatures on the PSU and the GPU connector are really ridiculous and these cards definitely need two of these connectors. Sure, better safety features would be awesome and should be on these cables rregardlessof anything else; but I don't think most people would appreciate it if their computers shut down en masse whenever their GPU draws too much power, either.
 
I believe the issue was long term using, especially in a SFF case where heat is trapped inside literally like an oven and things sprial to oblivation soon.

De8auer and the redditer might have been unlucky on the FE having a slightly defective socket, or that the cable is literally unusable after a few cycles of unplugging and re-plugging in and leading to resistance difference.

Some other respected guys like Wendel from levelone tech and Falcon NW have tested their own setups with 5090FE and luckily they didn't see the imbalance draw on wires
But either way, even assume both cases are slightly worn cables without apparent sign, there are few issues IMO:

1) As Buildzoid explained, the GPU design literally have no warning mechanism to just bloody cut the power draw and beep the s__t out your pants if such imperfection occurrs, be it worn out cables or manufacturing defect of the socket/cable

2) Redudancy is way lower than the previous 8pin standard

And even with those "balanced power delivery" cases, you can see the connector temperature is literally going from 68C to 80C in full load, and when one is measuring, it's either open bench or a tower case with open side panel, aka semi-open bench, and these temperatures are a big red flag at least to myself, it's now still winter/spring in the US, I assume ppl test it in heated room temp of ~21C, at summer you can easily put it at 25-27C for normal operation, and if ppl live in tropics without AC, it could be 30C+, which will put 10C on top.

Then there's the heat dumping of the card to the air inside the case, as most gamers likely don't put the fans in jet engine mode, 500W+ of heat circulating inside would easily rise the internal air temp another 10-20C (guesstimated from reports that in a FE card using with a 9800X3D compared to 4090 or similar raise the air cooled 9800X3D by 20C and throttling)

Adding these two together you could've encountering 85-100C on the exterior of the plug, and we know that plastic is a good heat insulator, so the internal temp is of anyone's guess, which doesn't sound good anyway...

And more ridiculously... putting the same shunt resistor circuit inside the GPU as in the 3090Ti config could at least save the card from fire, and from the good old days going from Molex 4pin in the 9700pro subsequently to 6pin and then 8pin and MULTIPLE 8pin have already got a good old solution... when you are too close to the rated capacity of the connector, just get another one, EVGA did that in kingpin 3090Ti, I don't see any reason of having the 5090 to use a single connector and call it a day
De8uer's testing was done in open air bench, with the individual wires going to the connector separated considerably....and the WIRE was hitting 90c, after a couple of minutes, not the plug. The plug was considerably warmer. Given those ideal operating circumstances....yes, a closed case, SFF case or warmer climates would aggravate the problem.
 
I read a couple of the comments below the Der 8auer video, and two people who claim to be electrical engineers say they think the plating was worn on these plugs, which could have led to different levels of resistance between the individual cables. Is that similar to what you mean? I'm trying to understand it better since I'm not really in the field, this wasn't exactly my best topic at university, lol.

In any case, these temperatures on the PSU and the GPU connector are really ridiculous and these cards definitely need two of these connectors. Sure, better safety features would be awesome and should be on these cables rregardlessof anything else; but I don't think most people would appreciate it if their computers shut down en masse whenever their GPU draws too much power, either.
I believe it could be wearing of whatever parts, could be plating gets worn on the cable or pins, or even that something is slightly deformed or not perfectly aligned causing the most immediate effect.

But you know that the temperature dissipation is needed even if everything is perfect in condition and for dissipation you need airflow, which in any SFF case it literally is very low and will make bad situation worse and hence burn out faster than others.

I have to declare I am no electrician but a layman trying to make sense of something, so if anyone please correct me if I got it all wrong.

For De8auer's own cable, the issue is that it is the OEM from one of the best PSU manufacturer out there and you cannot possibly got something significantly better, and the plug specification itself is made to a degree that it have no wear marks to tell you that it is worn out and need replacement (which if it's on the GPU side, you cannot replace it), and then there is not enough headroom to let any imbalance issue iron it out.

IIRC the 8pin have 3 power carrying pins with thinner wires, while the 12v 2x6 have 6 in a single connector but with thicker wires, although on paper the 12v 2x6 should allow more current, but bear in mind if you use a 3x8pin for 450W config, you have total of 9 pins carrying power but if any one of the connector have a pin shorting out and current concentrated, it will become 2x3+1 wires carrying the load, and the heating up should not be too great. while in the 12v connector, if one pin having issue and shorting out or something, it will have all 6 wire's worth of load will concentrate in that single pin, which results in De8auer's situation..

Worse still since if it goes for 3x8pin or 4x8pin, you have literally 3-4 rails of power delivery, so as the Buildzoid video explains, it's not that difficult to have a detection circuit to notice something isn't right and either request more from the normal channels, or just plain stop going to draw that much of power. Whereas in the 4090 and 5090, both the PSU side or the GPU side have only a single rail of input, so it just can't tell if any single poing is having issues and thus just simply burst into flames. While both cases it don't work, but one is just minor annoyance to replace the cables, and maybe go send your GPU for repair or just upgrade. Burning stuffs out is a far worse situation. Even if it's out of factory defective, having it just refuse to boost is way easier to claim RMA than something melted into slag.