First E6850 Benchmarks With Aggressive Pricing

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I don't see anything morally contemptable about it. Standard marketing. AMD did the same thing with the 64 they tacked on when everyone was talking about how 64 bit would be the new hotness. Now if a fellow from AMD was strolling down to the trademark office to trademark "Core" for barcelona or something, and a unmarked van full of intel lackeys pulled up, yanked him inside, killed him, and dumped the body into a swamp so that they could trademark core, well then, that sir would be morally contemptable.
 
I think if the E6850 is this cheap, then I'm sure Intel is going to do a major speed bump for the Core 2 Duo. After all, Core 2 Duo is long over due for one. Maybe, Intel is going to release 3.6Ghz-4 Ghz.
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...The chips are a bit more than half a year old... It's doubt Intel will release 4GHz Core 2 Duos anytime soon IMO.
 
You guys are all nuts this isn't the death of AMD, if AMD has taught you one thing they are lean, mean fighting machine that out moves the giant every time. A brief history….

K2 was eclipsed by Pentium 3
AMD struck back with Athlon
Intel briefly took the crown back with a Netburst heater
AMD struck back with Athlon 64
Intel strikes back with Core 2

Yes the Core 2 is currently awesome, but the Athlon outclassed the Pentium 3, the A64 completely savaged the netburst, together for at least 7 years. Core 2 holds premium position for a year or two, and people are predicting AMD is dead? AMD is finally getting the volumes it needs for it’s overhead, it’s learning from ATI, are you ready for the next magic?
 
Ok, first... you folks need a little lesson on bankruptcy:

IF Intel drives AMD to bankruptcy... you know what will happen??

1) AMD files Chapter 11 Bankruptcy - reorganization (not Chap 7 - which is liquidation)

2) ALL current debt gets WIPED OUT - those debtors now become stockholders

3) All current stock = worthless

4) AMD would be able to void virtually all unprofitable contracts/leases etc.

5) AMD remerges, smaller, but with kick arse financials and business model

6) Competition continues... game on.

Also, do not count on an Intel lawsuit to save this puppy... the trials will last years and years... even after a verdict (appeals).

As for the "don't let AMD die, or your CPU prices will go up" mentality... give me a break. This is a free market system. If Intel started generating excessive profit margins (from price gouging)... new competition WILL arise - bet on it.

So for me, com'mon Intel give me the best darn price on a quad today... to h3ll with the future competitive landscape. 😀

PS- not to flame, but comparing AMD to GE is an absolute insult to GE.
 
Now about these price cuts...

it confirms my decision to build an OC'd e4300 rig in april/may as a hold over.

then replace it with a quad in 6 months-9months.

I think people would be nuts to go quad right now, might as well wait. Heck you could just toss the e4300 in the garbage when you upgrade... and still save a ton of $$$$.

Aside from supreme commander, some video editing programs, or having 20 applications running at once... a quad isn't going to be that much more useful than a e4300 in the next 3-6 months.

Question - what can you overclock the 6800 to?
 
Lt,

Welcome Back!!

If those prices are correct I think AMD will have difficulty even with a new uArch being released...


They will need to succeed very well with their yields to produce at a level that would allow channel pricing like that on the Barcelona equiv...

I could very well see an X6850 in my future :)
 
I think this was predictable actually...

Intel has more or less purged all the Netbust stuff, so they need to fill in the low end.

This isn't costing Intel any actual real money - an E6850 costs the same to make as an E6300.

Has anybpdy run into a Core2due that DIDN'T do 3.0 ghz?

I adon't even think Intel is actually binning these things anymore. - they all go 3.5 ghz.

THis can mean one of two things IMHO..

We get 3.2, 3.4, 3.6 ghz parts on a 1600 FSB to take over the high end of Intel

Or

Penrym is early and hits hard 4th quarter....
 
I agree with most of your points. One minor quibble though. This may be a free market system, but assuming for whatever reason AMD drops out of CPU manufacturing, who the hell would have enough capital to invest in manpower, research, and fab plants to become competitive with Intel? Bill Gates.....maybe. California? Seriously, can you even imagine how many investors would have to be brought into such a venture? It's staggering. There's a duopoly for a reason.
 
I agree with most of your points. One minor quibble though. This may be a free market system, but assuming for whatever reason AMD drops out of CPU manufacturing, who the hell would have enough capital to invest in manpower, research, and fab plants to become competitive with Intel? Bill Gates.....maybe. California? Seriously, can you even imagine how many investors would have to be brought into such a venture? It's staggering. There's a duopoly for a reason.
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Probably a consortium... keep in mind if AMD does not go Chap 11 (reorg)... but rather liquidates...

Then any company entering the market would get all of AMD's assets for pennies on the dollar (or at least the ones that they wanted).

I wouldn't rule out some korean companies getting in the mix against Intel.

But anyway... what can you overclock a 6800 or 6850 to?

Edit: Hypothetically, if Intel was the only game in town... the government would be all over it - it would become a regulated company. I'm sure there would either be a break-up or profit limits enacted. However, I see either an AMD reorg or a new competitor arising as much more realistic.
 
I am talking the executive staffers,my apologies and nothing personal; but as far as the fellows and executives go,if they were on fire i wouldnt pee on them.

This is too far,they flexed their muscle and made a point; I said what I thought and i meant every syllable. Your ultra high head honcho's are friggen creeps;spiritually bankrupt landfills is all they amount to.
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to be honest, IMO, i really doubt Intel will price these CPUs at this price. if they do, it won't just be AMD suing them for monopoly.
 
I agree with most of your points. One minor quibble though. This may be a free market system, but assuming for whatever reason AMD drops out of CPU manufacturing, who the hell would have enough capital to invest in manpower, research, and fab plants to become competitive with Intel? Bill Gates.....maybe. California? Seriously, can you even imagine how many investors would have to be brought into such a venture? It's staggering. There's a duopoly for a reason.
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Probably a consortium... keep in mind if AMD does not go Chap 11 (reorg)... but rather liquidates...

Then any company entering the market would get all of AMD's assets for pennies on the dollar (or at least the ones that they wanted).

I wouldn't rule out some korean companies getting in the mix against Intel.

But anyway... what can you overclock a 6800 or 6850 to?

Edit: Hypothetically, if Intel was the only game in town... the government would be all over it - it would become a regulated company. I'm sure there would either be a break-up or profit limits enacted. However, I see either an AMD reorg or a new competitor arising as much more realistic.


Don't worry, if AMD bites the bullet (I doubt it), no one wil be able to come in with the perdatory pricing scheme Intel is getting away with.

First, you'd need something much faster and then you'd need enough capital to deal with the bleeding Intel can cause with their "monopoly."

It looks bad for the PC industry right now. If OEMs thoght their margins were razor thin before......
 
Don't worry, if AMD bites the bullet (I doubt it), no one wil be able to come in with the perdatory pricing scheme Intel is getting away with.

First, you'd need something much faster and then you'd need enough capital to deal with the bleeding Intel can cause with their "monopoly."

It looks bad for the PC industry right now. If OEMs thoght their margins were razor thin before......
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I also doubt AMD will bite the bullet... it will survive in some form or another.
 
Possibility #1

Barcelona / Athena / etc really rock, and Q3 will be an insane pricing free for all.

Possibility #2

AMD is doomed.
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Do any of you understand what a ripple effect is? Also, why is it so hard to believe that Barcelona will be 40% faster per core than Opteron?

I just want to see how many people get layed off from the PC industry by Q208.

I am still of the opinion that part of the reason for the Chinese "sell off" was because of the incredibly shrinking margins in an industry that can service half a billion people.

Take 500,000,000 and multply it by say 20% (.2) and that's how much money was lost when CPU prices dropped 30%. I am now officially nauseated by Intel and its executives.

They should all grow boils and go broke.
 
So Intel caused the recent global stock market collapse? 8O

Bad Intel.

Me
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I still wonder why you're so mad that Intel is dropping prices. You, Mr. All Hail the Duopoly. Do you think Intel could survive on decreased profits if it was only making 50% of the market? I don't think so. So enjoy your wonderfully cheap Intel chips (not that YOU would ever buy one). AMD won't go away (IBM didn't even when pushed out of the PC market). Their weakness is helping us right now more than their strength.

ALL HAIL THE PATRIARCHY!
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