First Time Gaming Computer

[jfly604]

Within the next month I'm going to be building a new desktop the top of my price range is 700$

Approximate Purchase Date: Within the next month.

Budget Range: 600-700$ CA

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Most important is gaming, Wont be doing much else but the regular internet stuff.

Are you buying a monitor:No, Have one.

Parts to Upgrade:From the ground up.

Do you need to buy OS: No.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg is fine.

Location: Vancouver, British Columbia. Canada.

Parts Preferences: Whichever is better im neutral.

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe In the future.

Your Monitor Resolution: Honestly, not sure bought it a few years back.

Additional Comments:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Dont currently have a gaming rig.


Thanks for the help

 

[jfly604]

Im sold with jon's answer, its only 50 bucks more and seems to be way better. once I get this setup im gonna look into overclocking and learn to do it properly... honestly cant be that hard I have common sense and am good with electronics so no prob there just worried about the life of the componant going way down because I push it to far but thanks everyone you guy's all help so much !

 

[Guest]

how is overclocking "waving epeen"? since more performance apparently isn't important to you why even suggest a i5 probably should just get a i3. imo overclocking a 3570k from 3.4GHz to 4GHz+ is well worth it.

and that increased your frame rate how?

hhmmmm? there is a point of diminishing return when it comes to overclocking for gaming.

edit: the poor attempt at sarcasm doesn't fit but nice try.

 

[jonjonjon]

so just ask yourself the same question how does the i5 help frame rates over the i3? also a lot of games are console ports and single threaded performance is still important. that's why everyone buys intel over amd.

 

[Guest]

so just ask yourself the same question how does it the i5 help frame rates over the i3? also a lot of games are console ports and single threaded performance is still important. that's why everyone buys intel over amd.

you need to do some research; poor console port do well with multicore cpus as much if not more than single threaded performance so thats why some games do better with an i5. to use your example a higher clocked i3 would beat an i5 in gaming 😱

bringing an AMD into the discussion is a bit of smoke and mirrors.

if the OP likes your suggestions the best thats all well in good. but don't attempt to look down an arrogant nose at non overclocking suggestions; it does reinforce the "epeen waving" attitiude . .

 

[jonjonjon]

no it just makes no sense not to get an unlocked cpu for $20-30 more if you can overclock it. who knows in a couple years when its not the newest cpu and more demanding games come out that extra performance could come in real handy.

amd is smoke an mirrors? then why doesn't anyone buy them? they have 8 core cpu's. for the most part cpu's wont increase your fps but it will help with frame latency. which will prevent stuttering. have you ever read techreport reviews?

 

[Guest]

no it just makes no sense not to get an unlocked cpu for $20-30 more if you can overclock it. who knows in a couple years when its not the newest cpu and more demanding games come out that extra performance could come in real handy.

amd is smoke an mirrors? then why doesn't anyone buy them? they have 8 core cpu's. for the most part cpu's wont increase your fps but it will help with frame latency. which will prevent stuttering. have you ever read techreport reviews?

i must admit to having to make an addendum; an unlocked i5 will help gaming with a high end multicard configuration; pardon me for forgetting that.

but in the case of a single mid range card such as the 7870 it will make no difference. it isn't an assumption to state that the gpu will bottleneck long before the cpu and in that case it won't matter how much you overclock, aside from lowering the settings the frame rates won't change. so then it isn't cost effective to spend $20 - $30 more for an unlocked i5.

it seems you misunderstood the smoke and mirrors comment; we are talking (or at least i am) the i5. not what AMD and how it games when overclocked. thats comparing an apple to an orange.

and yes i read TR quite a bit and found there comparisons of frame latency quite informative (and innovative) but AFAIK there is to benchmark there, or anywhere, supporting for statement of an OC'd i5 having lower latency. what they do have:

is benchmarks showing the difference between platforms and then the architecture. the differences between a 3470 and 3570K or 2400 and 2500K, with the latter of the pair (2470, 2400) being slower than the former of each pair (3570K, 2500k), is only seen in a benchmark. the difference is so minute it would not be noticeable in game play.

we are looking at 16.7 milliseconds here; one tenth the time it takes to blink an eye!

so your going to tell me that is cost effective for $20 - $30??? and i don't appreciate performance?

whatever. i have to be up for work in the morning; a lot to do to catch up from a holiday vacation. g'night.

btw happy new years.

 

[jfly604]

Looniam, thanks alot man you helped the most. The reason I like jon's suggestion is who knows in the future Ill most likely want to OC to squeeze a bit more performance out of it and for a couple bucks more it seems like the way to go. but you helped me decide on the gpu and everything else I learned some things reading you're posts so thanks alot man, happy new years.