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I'm about to install a Pentium 4 3.06 GHz processor on my Asus P4533-E
motherboard. I know I should use the thermal compound (Artic Silver 3 is
what I have) but what do I do with the grey padded gunk thats on the
supplied heatsink???

Do I remove it or apply the compound in addition???

TIA
 
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"News Groupie" <newsgroupie@newsgroups.com> wrote in message news:sVXkc.52787$Nn4.11723811@twister.nyc.rr.com...

> Do I remove it or apply the compound in addition???

**read instructions...they are in plastic bag inside retail box.

install processor on mainboard
(keeping oily fingers off processor)

take protective film off sticky pad on heatsink
(again keep fingers off the sticky portion)
then put heatsink on processor gently but firm
clamp down heatsink...and done

--
'Seek and ye shall find'
NT Canuck
http://ntcanuck.com
 
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Thanks so much! You guys were very very helpful and saved me tons of time.

Thanks again!

"NT Canuck" <ntcanuck@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "News Groupie" <newsgroupie@newsgroups.com> wrote in message
news:sVXkc.52787$Nn4.11723811@twister.nyc.rr.com...
>
> > Do I remove it or apply the compound in addition???
>
> **read instructions...they are in plastic bag inside retail box.
>
> install processor on mainboard
> (keeping oily fingers off processor)
>
> take protective film off sticky pad on heatsink
> (again keep fingers off the sticky portion)
> then put heatsink on processor gently but firm
> clamp down heatsink...and done
>
> --
> 'Seek and ye shall find'
> NT Canuck
> http://ntcanuck.com
>
>
 
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News Groupie wrote:
> I'm about to install a Pentium 4 3.06 GHz processor on my Asus P4533-E
> motherboard. I know I should use the thermal compound (Artic Silver 3
> is what I have) but what do I do with the grey padded gunk thats on
> the supplied heatsink???
>
> Do I remove it or apply the compound in addition???
>
> TIA

Neither. You don't use it at all. The pad is thermal compound - simply
clip/screw it into place. Thermal compound is only necessary if you remove
the HSF as the pad is good for one use only. Then you will need to scrape it
off (I use a knife and rubbing alcohol) make sure it's dry and apply a thin
layer of compound and reseat.
 
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(1) You mean to tell me the retailed boxed Pentium 4 heat sink fan and
processor is ready to install right out the box???

(2a) Then why would I remove the thermal compound on a brand new Pentium 4
HSF and apply Arctic Silver??? (2b) Did someone tell me wrong or they just
prefer Arctic Silver compound over the supplied Intel compound???

TIA

"Cerridwen" <cerridwen@celticnet.com> wrote in message
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> News Groupie wrote:
> > I'm about to install a Pentium 4 3.06 GHz processor on my Asus P4533-E
> > motherboard. I know I should use the thermal compound (Artic Silver 3
> > is what I have) but what do I do with the grey padded gunk thats on
> > the supplied heatsink???
> >
> > Do I remove it or apply the compound in addition???
> >
> > TIA
>
> Neither. You don't use it at all. The pad is thermal compound - simply
> clip/screw it into place. Thermal compound is only necessary if you remove
> the HSF as the pad is good for one use only. Then you will need to scrape
it
> off (I use a knife and rubbing alcohol) make sure it's dry and apply a
thin
> layer of compound and reseat.
>
>
>
 
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"News Groupie" <newsgroupie@newsgroups.com> wrote in message news:rrYkc.52790$Nn4.11732738@twister.nyc.rr.com...

> (1) You mean to tell me the retailed boxed Pentium 4 heat sink fan and
> processor is ready to install right out the box???

pretty well...
that's why it's a "retail box" and not an OEM box.
retail box also comes with 3 year processor warranty BUT
only if using supplied heatsink from intel and their sticky pad.

> (2a) Then why would I remove the thermal compound on a
> brand new Pentium 4 HSF and apply Arctic Silver???

arctic silver will let it run (idle) cooler BUT only if done properly.
ie: not recommended for first-timers
It will also VOID the warranty on the intel P4 retail boxed cpu.

> (2b) Did someone tell me wrong

Yes, they meant well but nothing wrong w/supplied heatsink.
That's why you pay a few dollars xtra over an OEM cpu...
3 years instead of 1 year (oem is one year) and get fan/heatsink.

> or they just prefer Arctic Silver compound over the supplied Intel
> compound???

Many people prefer the AS compound but that comes from experience.
For a newbie it's best to let shop install retail cpu on board
(if cpu and board bought at same shop)
then that shop covers/helps testing cpu and board combo and warranty.

In general...temperature of cpu (idle) is ok with intel heatsink,
and you get benefit of a 3 year warranty on the cpu.

The Arctic Silver (if done right) can keep cpu cooler and that will
"usually" keep cpu alive longer/and more stable system..but a moot point.
I don't think it's worth losing the warranty for a new cpu.
However..if you replace mainboard or move the cpu...
then use Arctic Silver to "re-install" cpu.

More than this...
read cpu instructions or contact Intel/supplier by email.

PS...if using knife to remove junky intel thermal pad...
use a plastic knife and cleaner or you can scratch
or gouge cpu/heatsink and that hurts thermal layers.

--
'Seek and ye shall find'
NT Canuck
http://ntcanuck.com
 
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"News Groupie" <newsgroupie@newsgroups.com> wrote in message news:kSYkc.52791$Nn4.11739766@twister.nyc.rr.com...

> Thanks so much! You guys were very very helpful and saved me tons of time.
>
> Thanks again!

ok, although Intel could use nicer comic book size/style instructions
to show/explain mounting than that itty bitty booklet in retail box.

Many hobby people still buy the retail boxed cpu even though they
don't worry about warranty or even use supplied fan/heatsink as
(in general) the retail boxed cpu is a better quality than the OEM cpu.

The retail cpu is sometimes lower idle temp and better for overclocking,
in general the retail cpu's were supposed to last 5+ years and the OEM
around 3+ years but you may get get variances. Today the
manufacturing processes (die jobs) and batch selections are better
so one is usually happy even if a used cpu (rare to see dead intel cpu).

so it can be confusing what to do if this is someones first project. ;-)

--
'Seek and ye shall find'
NT Canuck
http://ntcanuck.com
 
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On Sun, 02 May 2004 05:26:28 GMT, "NT Canuck" <ntcanuck@hotmail.com>
wrote:


>ok, although Intel could use nicer comic book size/style instructions
>to show/explain mounting than that itty bitty booklet in retail box.

Paper is just so wasteful though, why not just a nice online tutorial with
lots of high-res pics or a video? Really it's excessive what they charge
for P4 anyway, anything that costs them 25 cent might cost you $2 so the
less they include the better.

>
>Many hobby people still buy the retail boxed cpu even though they
>don't worry about warranty or even use supplied fan/heatsink as
>(in general) the retail boxed cpu is a better quality than the OEM cpu.

Nonsense. Retail has warranty and heatsink, otherwise no difference in
quality unless you're buying from a questionable vendor who sorts them
based on o'c ability and gets rid of the worst with sale prices.

>The retail cpu is sometimes lower idle temp and better for overclocking,
>in general the retail cpu's were supposed to last 5+ years and the OEM
>around 3+ years but you may get get variances. Today the
> manufacturing processes (die jobs) and batch selections are better
>so one is usually happy even if a used cpu (rare to see dead intel cpu).
>
>so it can be confusing what to do if this is someones first project. ;-)

No, retail and OEM do not idle at different temp per same
model/core/voltage. They don't have different lifespan either.
 
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Most new fans come with a square of compound on them so that is probably
what that gunk is. Unless you think what you have is better just use what
they have on there.
"News Groupie" <newsgroupie@newsgroups.com> wrote in message
news:sVXkc.52787$Nn4.11723811@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> I'm about to install a Pentium 4 3.06 GHz processor on my Asus P4533-E
> motherboard. I know I should use the thermal compound (Artic Silver 3 is
> what I have) but what do I do with the grey padded gunk thats on the
> supplied heatsink???
>
> Do I remove it or apply the compound in addition???
>
> TIA
>
>
 
Archived from groups: alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.asus,alt.comp.hardware (More info?)

Last I heard, Intel dumps the less than factory spec cpus in the
incinerator. The subject at hand was Intel P4s. Not AMD or otherwise. If
you're talking other than Intel P4s, specify that. Apples and oranges
again.
"NT Canuck" <ntcanuck@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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>
>
http://www.velocitymicro.com/retail_vs_oem.php?PHPSESSID=434c83c0b956ced176f4eaa5651fd33a
>
> we went through huge debate few years ago on oem
> and value ram quality...cpu is usually the same problems
> unless is some unusually good yield/process.
>
> thx
>
> --
> 'Seek and ye shall find'
> NT Canuck
> http://ntcanuck.com
>
>
 
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"NT Canuck" wrote:
> http://www.velocitymicro.com/retail_vs_oem.php?PHPSESSID=434c83c0b956ced176f4eaa5651fd33a
> we went through huge debate few years ago on oem
> and value ram quality...cpu is usually the same problems
> unless is some unusually good yield/process.

That is just an advertisement from a company that wants you to buy retail parts from them; it is not reasonable to
enter that as evidence of any disparity in quality between Intel P4 (retail) and Intel P4 (OEM).

Jon
 
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On Sun, 02 May 2004 11:09:55 GMT, "NT Canuck" <ntcanuck@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>"kony" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message news:cgb990lh4q0m7a6f0d1tguimrej22p6bgk@4ax.com...
>
>http://www.velocitymicro.com/retail_vs_oem.php?PHPSESSID=434c83c0b956ced176f4eaa5651fd33a
>
>we went through huge debate few years ago on oem
>and value ram quality...cpu is usually the same problems
>unless is some unusually good yield/process.
>
>thx

The link is misleading, or "wrong" due to insufficient detail, vagueness
used as a marketing tool. Ask Intel.

It's pretty much irrelevant who went through what huge debate, as the
details are what matters, on usenet you can find a majority agreeing to
all sorts of falsehoods on any given day. Also some OEM parts ARE often
inferior, for example OEM video cards often run at lower frequency of core
or memory or include a lesser heatsink. If you consider that an Intel
retail 'sink can be better OR worse than an aftermarket 'sink, again it
doens't apply to the retail vs. OEM arguement.
 
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"NT Canuck" <ntcanuck@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7G4lc.321040$Pk3.193725@pd7tw1no...

> we went through huge debate few years ago on oem
> and value ram quality...cpu is usually the same problems
> unless is some unusually good yield/process.

re: only the ddr ram issues mentioned above:
http://www.simmtester.com/page/news/showpubnews.asp?num=94

--
'Seek and ye shall find'
NT Canuck
http://ntcanuck.com
 
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On Mon, 03 May 2004 04:45:17 GMT, "NT Canuck" <ntcanuck@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>"NT Canuck" <ntcanuck@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7G4lc.321040$Pk3.193725@pd7tw1no...
>
>> we went through huge debate few years ago on oem
>> and value ram quality...cpu is usually the same problems
>> unless is some unusually good yield/process.
>
>re: only the ddr ram issues mentioned above:
>http://www.simmtester.com/page/news/showpubnews.asp?num=94

Certainly there are several grades of memory, different timings and even
generic. Let us know when you come across a generic P4 that has a PROM
programmed to compensate for some deficiency. The retail and OEM chips
leave Intel as identical counterparts except for the printing on the label
to denote which they are for tracking/warranty purposes.
 
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