FPS on my EVGA 7900GT KO (512mb) seem sort of dismal...

[md02geist]

Oh, one more thing...originally I ordered the 256mb 7900GT KO, and a few hours later was notified that the 512mb 7900GT KO was in stock. So now I have two of them. I actually have two PCI-E slots in my computer, but one of them has an ethernet card in it.

Would it be possible to take that ethernet card out and SLI the two cards I have together?

The computer is a Gateway 500GR, if that helps.

 

[pauldh]

Well if priced the same, yes, you should have bought the X1900XT as it's about equal with the 7900GTX. The 7900GT is about equal to the X1800XT, which can be found for as low as $200. But still, it's a good card and I would just enjoy it rather than pay a restocking fee. How much was the 512MB GT? Is it clocked 560 core /1500mem?

 

[Heyyou27]

Anyway, that should end all arguements and close the case, the 7900GT is just no match for Oblivion. It's a good card, you just expected too much based on someones careless exagerations. To be honest, no single card has conquered Oblivion, but like farcry, it will happen someday.

I think that day will come with the G80 and R600.

 

[pauldh]

You bought both versions! 8O You could have cancelled your Newegg order as long as it didn't ship yet. And For the price of those two you could have had a 7950GX2 or a X1900XT and a wad of cash.

Just for starters, you need 2 of the large 16x sized PCI-e slots for SLI. Even then there are other hurdles to overcome. (SLI compatible mobo, SLI bridge connector, 512MB vs 256MB card, etc.)

 

[pauldh]

I think that day will come with the G80 and R600.

I hope you are right. I can still see myself playing Oblivion in post R600 days. Maybe even when prices drop into my cheapskate league. :roll:

Playing Farcry on a 9800 pro, 6800U, and then a X1800XT just freaked me out at the X1800's power. The Farcry demo was the first game I played that truely humbled my 9800 pro. And retail farcry made the 6800U struggle, forcing me to switch between no aa, 2xaa, and 4xaa at 12x10, when I wanted 4xaa all the time. HDR was a basic no go for the 6800U back then. Then the X1800XT was having no problem with 16x12 6x/16x, which just blew me away. To see 16x12 with HDR and even 2xaa + HDR at 12x10 very playable, was icing on the cake. Man to see a single card max out Oblivion and stay playable, would be just incredible. 😀


Oh, and speaking of G80, the OP may even be able to do the evga step up and grab a G80. 90 days right?

 

[md02geist]

I didn't mean to buy both versions, I purchased the 256 and my free rush processing on my newegg preferred line of credit made the order ship before I was notified the 512mb was in stock.

I have not opened the 256mb and have been told I could RMA for full value, waiving the 15% restocking fee.

 

[Heyyou27]

I also hope to see FP16 with antialiasing on the G80 or I'll make sure ATI gets my money.

 

[pauldh]

I'd do that and return the 256MB if there is no restocking fee. Either 7900 is a good card and shoot if G80 comes out within 90 days, that could prove to be a nice deal for you if you wanted to step up. Latest rumors place the G80 end of 2006, which would be beyond your step up 90 day period. I wonder what the 7900GTX and 7950GX2 will cost within those 90 days. Anyway, it's nice to have the option with eVGA.

 

[pauldh]

I also hope to see FP16 with antialiasing on the G80 or I'll make sure ATI gets my money.

Yup, assuming the number of games with support (and esp. official support) for that will grow, I totally agree. If G80 doesn't support it, chances are many TWIMTBP games won't officially support it.

To be honest, IMO without that support, G80 would be a letdown even with single core 7950GX2 or above levels of performance.

 

[md02geist]

Does the EVGA step up program work for the 7900XT and the 7950XT or whatever as well, or just in stepping up to a new generation?

 

[moin126]

the cards x1900xtx and gt ko are pretty close
http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=635&page=1
check that review. not so big of a difference
i also agree its definetly the p4

 

[pauldh]

the cards x1900xtx and gt ko are pretty close
http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=635&page=1
check that review. not so big of a difference
i also agree its definetly the p4

First of all, I don't think he has the superclock. Second of all, he is complaining about Oblivion, which your own link shows the X1900XT destroys the superclock in. Take a look:

Quote from review: "EVGA's 7900 GT cannot compete with the X1900 XT in Oblivion."

The X1900XT had higher resolution and HQAF, and still managed more than triple the low framerates. A pitiful 6 fps for the 7900 GT superclock and 19 fps for the X1900XT.

Again, it's your own review: http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=635&page=4

Anyway, in Oblivion, it is the 7900GT NOT the P4 as even top notch cpu's show the 7900GT hurting in that game. No offense, but I feel like I'm am talking to walls here. I give link after link of proof and yet we still keep hearing it's the CPU. :roll: He isn't running SLI or crossfire, it's "a single 7900GT in Oblivion" ...enough said.

 

[md02geist]

I tweaked with the frames of Oblivion and got rid of grass entirely, and although it looks a touch more barren I can average 35ish fps outdoors and 60+ indoors.

In other good news, I downloaded the single player demo of FEAR and was averaging 70-80fps on High settings while not fighting, and even during gunfights against multiple targets the lowest I hit was 39fps.

The 7900GT just screamed through that game, and even though I take it with a grain of salt since it was the demo and not the full version, I have no doubts it will perform well on the full version too.

 

[pauldh]

Yup, for Oblivion, Tweakguides is your friend. Grass height and shadows are the biggest framerate killers to tweak and gain performance.

Good deal on the Fear gameplay. You should do very well in Fear with your card. Fear is tough, but Oblivion and COD2 are more demanding. Try Farcry, HL2, and BF2 and you'll be thrilled.

 

[moin126]

wasnt the ko, the superclocked version ?
anyway its close.. ? .. .
The performance differences between the EVGA e-GeForce 7900 GT KO Superclock and ATI Radeon X1900XT are reasonably small, with a slight advantage to the ATI part. However, the purchasing decision ultimately comes down to what's on offer.


fps 7900 gt ko 39.1 1280 *1024
fps x1900xtx 42.1 1280 *1024

:S thats not a big difference...
There are parts of FEAR where ATI cards simply crash and burn, and the built in time demo that many other sites use will not show this.

The EVGA KO Superclocked pulls a huge lead over the X1900 XT almost to an embarrassingly high level. In fact, even the stock 7900 GT is close on the heels of the X1900 XT. HQAF has little use in FEAR and it's box-like scenary so i see no advantage held by the X1900 XT at all.

but standart 7900 gt cant compete. the superclocked very well. depends wich one you have..

 

[md02geist]

Pretty sure the KO is just the reloaded version unless it says Superclocked on it. Mine is factory clocked 500/1500.

 

[fainis]

It's your P4 in my opinion not the 7900. It's gotta be what 2 or 3 yr old tech. I owned a P4 3.0 800 and was never that impressed with it. the dam thing wouldn't even record video without locking up. Hopefully you have a decent motherboard like Asus or MSI or you're not going to get the most out of the P4.

you`re so much wrong ..my friend ..is not the cpu ..is the gpu....maybe you should google ..same more after benches in oblivion...that game kills the 7900gt....34 frames ..ha ...it`s perfect for that 7900gt

you said you were not impressed with your old p4...but you forgot to mention what video card you were using back then ..a gf4 maybe

 

[fainis]

ohh.wait or you can dump the old p4 .... and use a top of the line conroe or similar stuff..for that you`l have to sell everytnig you have in the house and the bike too......and the result....

lets see from you old set up p4+7900gt ....34 frames you`ll go to conroe + 7900 gt ...and congratulation you have just achieved 35 frames.....

have many trillion times do i have to tell you ... oblivion kills the gpu not the cpu....

if you want few frames more ..change that no good 7900gt with a 1900xtx or better and perhaps achieve 50 fps...but it all cames at a price ...x1900xtx is pretty damn expensive

or make another experiment :
try to put the old 6600gt ...in your sistem and see what happens ..you`ll probably get same 2 or 3 fps in obly..then put the 7900gt ..and see that your fps has increased from almost zero to same 30 .... and finally put a mighty 1900 and see that your frames are increasing more and more .....
so don`t blame a perfectly working cpu...because of a no good video sistem

 

[Heyyou27]

wasnt the ko, the superclocked version ?
anyway its close.. ? .. .
The performance differences between the EVGA e-GeForce 7900 GT KO Superclock and ATI Radeon X1900XT are reasonably small, with a slight advantage to the ATI part. However, the purchasing decision ultimately comes down to what's on offer.


fps 7900 gt ko 39.1 1280 *1024
fps x1900xtx 42.1 1280 *1024

:S thats not a big difference...
There are parts of FEAR where ATI cards simply crash and burn, and the built in time demo that many other sites use will not show this.

The EVGA KO Superclocked pulls a huge lead over the X1900 XT almost to an embarrassingly high level. In fact, even the stock 7900 GT is close on the heels of the X1900 XT. HQAF has little use in FEAR and it's box-like scenary so i see no advantage held by the X1900 XT at all.

but standart 7900 gt cant compete. the superclocked very well. depends wich one you have..

The 7900GT's performance cannot compete with the X1900XT on any title; the 7900GTX can compete because it's extremely high clockspeed, but even then it's not able to use a lot of the X1900XT's nice features such as OpenEXR FP16 HDR with antialiasing, or High quality anisotropic filtering.

 

[fainis]

wasnt the ko, the superclocked version ?
anyway its close.. ? .. .
The performance differences between the EVGA e-GeForce 7900 GT KO Superclock and ATI Radeon X1900XT are reasonably small, with a slight advantage to the ATI part. However, the purchasing decision ultimately comes down to what's on offer.


fps 7900 gt ko 39.1 1280 *1024
fps x1900xtx 42.1 1280 *1024

:S thats not a big difference...
There are parts of FEAR where ATI cards simply crash and burn, and the built in time demo that many other sites use will not show this.

The EVGA KO Superclocked pulls a huge lead over the X1900 XT almost to an embarrassingly high level. In fact, even the stock 7900 GT is close on the heels of the X1900 XT. HQAF has little use in FEAR and it's box-like scenary so i see no advantage held by the X1900 XT at all.

but standart 7900 gt cant compete. the superclocked very well. depends wich one you have..

man ....did you take any medicamentation today.........get real man you must be smoking dust..... 8O

 

[pauldh]

The performance differences between the EVGA e-GeForce 7900 GT KO Superclock and ATI Radeon X1900XT are reasonably small...

fps 7900 gt ko 39.1 1280 *1024
fps x1900xtx 42.1 1280 *1024

:S thats not a big difference...

How can you even say that based on their results? You are looking at 12x10 average framerates in making that statement, which mean didly in Oblivion if one's low framerates are 1/3 of the others. It's a fact the GF7's have a much higher range of framerates in Oblivion that the Radeons, which hurts overall gameplay and playable settings. IMO and your reviewer's opinion, it's about best playable settings.

Again, with the X1900XT they, 1) increased the resolution, 2) enabled HQAF which does make a visual defference and also hurt performance in large outdoor areas, and 3) still managed to have 3 times the low framerates. You really call 6 fps lows at lower resolution and with lower eye candy a small difference to lows of 19 fps with higher res and higher image quality? That means way more than average framerates at 12x10. :roll:

The EVGA KO Superclocked pulls a huge lead over the X1900 XT almost to an embarrassingly high level.

Yet lows of 6 fps with lower framerates and lower IQ are not embarrassing, but in your words "reasonably small and not a big difference" :lol: :lol: :lol:


Shoot, the X1900XT also then embarrasses the 7900GT supeclock in COD2, but reguardless this is all besides the point as we aren't talking Fear or COD2, nor even the superclockGT. Plus, I am not saying the 7900GT reference or superclock is a bad card. The topic at hand is the OP complained about dissappointing Oblivion performance and you (as well as others) say it's his Pentium 4, and not the 7900GT which in your own review dropped into single digit lows. I think I have more than proved that "it's the pentium 4" is wrong with both your link and other sites results also. Again, it's a 7900GT and Oblivion, and someone set the OP up into falsely believing this card would max out Oblivion, which is not even close to being the case. FS's review showed it can't max out Oblivion at 10x7, even with IQ compromising driver optimatzations on, (edit AND paired with an FX-57. It's not the CPU!

 

[fainis]

The performance differences between the EVGA e-GeForce 7900 GT KO Superclock and ATI Radeon X1900XT are reasonably small...

fps 7900 gt ko 39.1 1280 *1024
fps x1900xtx 42.1 1280 *1024

:S thats not a big difference...

How can you even say that based on their results? You are looking at 12x10 average framerates in making that statement, which mean didly in Oblivion if one's low framerates are 1/3 of the others. It's a fact the GF7's have a much higher range of framerates in Oblivion that the Radeons, which hurts overall gameplay and playable settings. IMO and your reviewer's opinion, it's about best playable settings.

Again, with the X1900XT they, 1) increased the resolution, 2) enabled HQAF which does make a visual defference and also hurt performance in large outdoor areas, and 3) still managed to have 3 times the low framerates. You really call 6 fps lows at lower resolution and with lower eye candy a small difference to lows of 19 fps with higher res and higher image quality? That means way more than average framerates at 12x10. :roll:

The EVGA KO Superclocked pulls a huge lead over the X1900 XT almost to an embarrassingly high level.

Yet lows of 6 fps with lower framerates and lower IQ are not embarrassing, but in your words "reasonably small and not a big difference" :lol: :lol: :lol:


Shoot, the X1900XT also then embarrasses the 7900GT supeclock in COD2, but reguardless this is all besides the point as we aren't talking Fear or COD2, nor even the superclockGT. Plus, I am not saying the 7900GT reference or superclock is a bad card. The topic at hand is the OP complained about dissappointing Oblivion performance and you (as well as others) say it's his Pentium 4, and not the 7900GT which in your own review dropped into single digit lows. I think I have more than proved that "it's the pentium 4" is wrong with both your link and other sites results also. Again, it's a 7900GT and Oblivion, and someone set the OP up into falsely believing this card would max out Oblivion, which is not even close to being the case. FS's review showed it can't max out Oblivion at 10x7, even with IQ compromising driver optimatzations on.


good settled then...end of story

 

[pauldh]

Yeah, should have been end of story long ago.

But it didn't end, and I left out one important part in closing about the FS review - It was paired with an FX-57 and still couldn't manage 10x7 max. :tongue:

 

[md02geist]

I just wanted to know what the deal was, not have two pages of "OMFG NO WAI" screaming back and forth guys. ><

 

[md02geist]

As an added note I am beginning to feel like I made the wrong choice going with the 7900GT and should get myself an X1900XT. 🙁