Fuddo: AMD 45nm K10.5 scheduled to launch in 1H 2009

[TechnologyCoordinator]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe Barcelona\K10 Opty is even in the channel. I don't believe it has been since the stop ship in December.

Post something constructive, or don't post.


So does Barcelona not exist anymore?




"Not a fanboy" my arse

Ok....

Link to a place where you can purchase a Barcelona. Keep in mind, a Barcelona is a K10 Opteron, not a Phenom.

Barcelona = K10 Opteron
Agena = K10 Phenom

Amiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiga! Where art thou! Are you going to go find me a link to where I can purchase your non-"non-existent" Barcelonas?

 

[ryman554]

Just the same, litho is probably the only part of the process where AMD is clearly ahead of Intel, or at least in a way.
Intel is using a double exposure on the masks, while AMD is using immersion lithography. Intel will have to go to immersion @ 32nm. All the same, though, I find it amazing that Intel is able to pull it off.
Intel has had the best process since day 2. They were still part of Fairchild when Si gate tech was invented.
They were the first to make comercial use of it, and have never looked back.
We all hate the P4s, but the one area where they truly helped was in process. The P4s created a need for ultra fast transistors. Intel's process made it happen. I doubt core2s would scale as well as they do without that.

I look at this the other way.

Because intel is using dry at 45nm, (and double patterning on the poly layer ONLY), I would say that the overall litho process for intel is better than IBM's. Using immersion is a "more advanced tool", but it's also a crutch -- you get by with the same k1 factors (difficulty of litho) as you do with the previous generation. So, even though intels litho is "dry", it's also MUCH harder to pull off.

So, at the 32nm node, when intel moves to immesrion, AMD now has to figue out the morass of double patterning -- and that's a hard beastie... and where the process technology of intel will provide a decided time to market advantage. I suspect that intel won't have to cross the "logic double patterning" issue until 22nm.. and that's huge.

 

[Amiga500]

Amiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiga! Where art thou! Are you going to go find me a link to where I can purchase your non-"non-existent" Barcelonas?

Thou is not always online.


And thou is not going to find you a link. You want some barcelonas, phone a Tyan stocker.



So, are you saying because it is not widely available at loads of weblinks near you it doesn't exist, and effectively never has? :lol:

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

Thou is not always online.


And thou is not going to find you a link. You want some barcelonas, phone a Tyan stocker.

Ah yes, because it is currently being sold to SELECT CONSUMERS and thus is not in the CHANNEL like I said!

So, are you saying because it is not widely available at loads of weblinks near you it doesn't exist, and effectively never has? :lol:

You are the one that said "non-existent".

I said not in the channel.



Obviously since you cannot find a link anywhere on the internet where you can buy a Barcelona it means that my statement was accurate and that your reaction was inaccurate.

Barcelona is not in the channel, you cannot buy one, and you haven't been able to since the stop-ship in December. Which brings me back to my original point: How can Barcelona be so "great" if you can't even buy it because of the TLB bug that caused it to be stop-shipped back in December.

Thank You!

 

[Amiga500]

Ah yes, because it is currently being sold to SELECT CONSUMERS and thus is not in the CHANNEL like I said!

You said:

"but I don't believe Barcelona\K10 Opty is even in the channel."

I'm sure even you can realise there is quite a difference - or do you not know how to properly word a sentence?

You are the one that said "non-existent".

I said not in the channel.

You did not say "not in the channel", what you said was very different. Again, is this because you cannot construct a sentence to convey what you actually mean?

Obviously since you cannot find a link anywhere on the internet where you can buy a Barcelona it means that my statement was accurate and that your reaction was inaccurate.

Tyan have them, check their site, its probably on it.

Barcelona is not in the channel, you cannot buy one, and you haven't been able to since the stop-ship in December.

You can buy them. Not in the channel, but you can definitely buy them. We have a couple ordered for workstations.

Which brings me back to my original point: How can Barcelona be so "great" if you can't even buy it because of the TLB bug that caused it to be stop-shipped back in December.

You can buy it.

Check out some workstation (& server) benchmarks and educate yourself.

Particularly on multi-sockets.

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

You said:

"but I don't believe Barcelona\K10 Opty is even in the channel."

I'm sure even you can realise there is quite a difference - or do you not know how to properly word a sentence?

You make no sense. I stated that Barcelona is not in the channel, which you confirmed:

You can buy them. Not in the channel, but you can definitely buy them. We have a couple ordered for workstations."

Which was my point, YOU CAN'T PURCHASE THEM IN THE CHANNEL. Normal consumers (people and businesses) can't get the processors because of a defect that affects virtualization under load, also know as the TLB bug.

I'm sure AMD Fanboys are lining up to purchase the recalled processors on ebay, but the rest of us are not.

 

[Straw Man]

Opteron 2350:

http://www.pcsforeveryone.com/Product/AMD/OS2350WAL4BGE

Opteron 2354:

http://www.pcsforeveryone.com/Product/AMD/OS2354WAL4BGDWOF

Opteron 8350:

http://www.pcsforeveryone.com/Product/AMD/OS8350WAL4BGE

They also list of bunch of other Barcelona models, those are all out of stock with an ETA of May 5.

 

[Amiga500]

You make no sense. I stated that Barcelona is not in the channel, which you confirmed:

No.

You stated Barcelona is not EVEN in the channel.



Do you understand the difference?

Which was my point, YOU CAN'T PURCHASE THEM IN THE CHANNEL. Normal consumers (people and businesses) can't get the processors

It was NOT your point.


I would consider us normal customers...


You want a system, go buy one. You want to get a CPU alone, wait a bit.

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

No.

You stated Barcelona is not EVEN in the channel.

Do you understand the difference?

No, I don't understand the difference. Does anyone else understand the difference besides Amiga?

Amiga, can you please explain to me how EVEN equates to me saying the processor does not exist.

Thanks!

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

Even, adjective: still; yet (used to emphasize a comparative)

 

[Amiga500]

No, I don't understand the difference. Does anyone else understand the difference besides Amiga?

Amiga, can you please explain to me how EVEN equates to me saying the processor does not exist.

Thanks!

OK.


When you say:

"Barcelona is not in the channel"

You are saying Barcelona may be elsewhere, but cannot be obtained through channel sources.


When you say:

"Barcelona is not EVEN in the channel"

You imply the channel is the first place you will find it, if it cannot be found there, it will not be found anywhere.



Two similar sentences with very different implications. You are in college and a native English speaker yes? If so (to both), I suggest you read some decent books to improve your sentence conjugation before dropping a clanger in a report that matters.

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

Two similar sentences with very different implications. You are in college and a native English speaker yes? If so (to both), I suggest you read some decent books to improve your sentence conjugation before dropping a clanger in a report that matters.

You're a total jerk-off!


What I was saying is that how can Barcelona be "great" as you put if you can't EVEN buy it.

Before it can be "great" you must have the ability to get it.


Allow me to further explain:

Amiga500: "Wow, my Delta airlines flight to Pluto was great! I know that they don't consider it a planet anymore, but it was still great!"

TC: "How can your flight to Pluto be great if Delta doesn't EVEN offer one?"

Amiga500: "WHAAAAA! BUT I LOVE DELTA!!! HOW DARE YOU SAY SOMETHING BAD ABOUT IT."

 

[Amiga500]

You're a total jerk-off!

And you are verging on being illiterate.


If your going to slag AMD or whoever, at least make sure you don't make a balls of it. 😉

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

And you are verging on being illiterate.


If your going to slag AMD or whoever, at least make sure you don't make a balls of it. 😉

Ahh, yes the intellectual AMD Fanboy, it's like AMD Fanboy 2.0.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Ok just to try to get this back and forth nonsense out of the water, I agree with TC. In fact here is how he originally said it:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe Barcelona\K10 Opty is even in the channel. I don't believe it has been since the stop ship in December.

From this quote(which is on page 3 I believe) I get the meaning that TC is stating that you or I cannot purchase a K10 Barcy since it has yet to be released back into the consumer channel and is still only being sold to the "prefered"(meaning no chance of TLB errata what-so-ever) people. Right now I think it has been sent out for testing. But fact is that Barcy is not available to us average Joe Shmoes and server peeps. Just the "special ones"

That is verbatum from a reply TC made to me and mathos. Now just to clarify, you are right TC, I am just showing that in true fact Barcy is great for the server arena only, the IMC only shines here, due to the fact that servers tend to utilize memory bandwidth. But since you cannot physically obtain a Barcy and can only rely on other benchmarks there is truly no way to say Barcy is that great.

Now I just want to clarify that I am in no way trying to include myself in this argument over what TC stated meant. Just want to get back on topic.

 

[endyen]

You're a total jerk-off!


What I was saying is that how can Barcelona be "great" as you put if you can't EVEN buy it.

Before it can be "great" you must have the ability to get it.


Allow me to further explain:

Amiga500: "Wow, my Delta airlines flight to Pluto was great! I know that they don't consider it a planet anymore, but it was still great!"

TC: "How can your flight to Pluto be great if Delta doesn't EVEN offer one?"

Amiga500: "WHAAAAA! BUT I LOVE DELTA!!! HOW DARE YOU SAY SOMETHING BAD ABOUT IT."

The problem I have with your argument is you say channel, but mean PC channel. You have been able to get barcelona setups through the server channel, all along. It just was conditional.
Now you can order B3s through that channel, or even parts of the PC channel, but there will be a wait.
I'd be willing to bet that you could get a large Cray B3 setup as quickly as you could a dual core opteron, with the same # of cores.