Full size ATX vs mid ATX?

[Isokolon]

right right.

I'd go with the Z170X-UD3 or -Gaming 3 tbh
the K3 is pretty basic

PSU is great

build is good with a motherboard change

and you need a CPU cooler. The Cryorig H7 is the standard go-to these days

 

[Harrygc00]

right right.

I'd go with the Z170X-UD3 or -Gaming 3 tbh
the K3 is pretty basic

PSU is great

build is good with a motherboard change

and you need a CPU cooler. The Cryorig H7 is the standard go-to these days

Ok thanks, so this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XqYQyf is good so far? I may change to the case without a window (althought it's the same case) this wouldn't be a problem right?

 

[CV_Taihou]

right right.

I'd go with the Z170X-UD3 or -Gaming 3 tbh
the K3 is pretty basic

PSU is great

build is good with a motherboard change

and you need a CPU cooler. The Cryorig H7 is the standard go-to these days

Ok thanks, so this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XqYQyf is good so far? I may change to the case without a window (althought it's the same case) this wouldn't be a problem right?

Wouldn't be an issue. Whats the primary use of this machine? If you're after a gaming machine, you'll obviously need a GPU

 

[Multipack]

right right.

I'd go with the Z170X-UD3 or -Gaming 3 tbh
the K3 is pretty basic

PSU is great

build is good with a motherboard change

and you need a CPU cooler. The Cryorig H7 is the standard go-to these days

Ok thanks, so this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XqYQyf is good so far? I may change to the case without a window (althought it's the same case) this wouldn't be a problem right?

Yeah but personally I'd choose a smaller HDD and add in a cache 120gb SSD and faster freq RAM.. Maybe something like this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7Czh9W

 

[Isokolon]

right right.

I'd go with the Z170X-UD3 or -Gaming 3 tbh
the K3 is pretty basic

PSU is great

build is good with a motherboard change

and you need a CPU cooler. The Cryorig H7 is the standard go-to these days

Ok thanks, so this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XqYQyf is good so far? I may change to the case without a window (althought it's the same case) this wouldn't be a problem right?

Yeah but personally I'd choose a smaller HDD and add in a cache 120gb SSD and faster freq RAM.. Maybe something like this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7Czh9W

a SSD is nice yes
higher frequency RAM doesn't do much for gaming
rather have lower frequency RAM (with good CLs) and a nice board than a cheap MSI

 

[Multipack]

right right.

I'd go with the Z170X-UD3 or -Gaming 3 tbh
the K3 is pretty basic

PSU is great

build is good with a motherboard change

and you need a CPU cooler. The Cryorig H7 is the standard go-to these days

Ok thanks, so this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XqYQyf is good so far? I may change to the case without a window (althought it's the same case) this wouldn't be a problem right?

Yeah but personally I'd choose a smaller HDD and add in a cache 120gb SSD and faster freq RAM.. Maybe something like this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7Czh9W

a SSD is nice yes
higher frequency RAM doesn't do much for gaming
rather have lower frequency RAM (with good CLs) and a nice board than a cheap MSI

Guess so, but frequency is quite important with these z170's. It can handle 3600. And that MSI board is a good board.. SLI ready, m2 nvme slots, usb 3.1 type a and c.. sturdy components.. etc

 

[Harrygc00]

right right.

I'd go with the Z170X-UD3 or -Gaming 3 tbh
the K3 is pretty basic

PSU is great

build is good with a motherboard change

and you need a CPU cooler. The Cryorig H7 is the standard go-to these days

Ok thanks, so this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XqYQyf is good so far? I may change to the case without a window (althought it's the same case) this wouldn't be a problem right?

Wouldn't be an issue. Whats the primary use of this machine? If you're after a gaming machine, you'll obviously need a GPU

Ok thanks, yeah I'm thinking of a 1060/1070 although I do not know much else apart from that, sorry.

Yes it's mainly for gaming.

 

[Harrygc00]

So instead of 2TB's 1TB's is good along with the 120GB SSD? (What exactly does an SSD do again?) is 2133mhz enough for my RAM or should I change that? So the MSI Z170A is a good board for me or not? The RAM of the build that Multipack suggested has 3000mhz is that better/worse than the 2133mhz of the RAM that I found?

Thanks again.

 

[Isokolon]

right right.

I'd go with the Z170X-UD3 or -Gaming 3 tbh
the K3 is pretty basic

PSU is great

build is good with a motherboard change

and you need a CPU cooler. The Cryorig H7 is the standard go-to these days

Ok thanks, so this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XqYQyf is good so far? I may change to the case without a window (althought it's the same case) this wouldn't be a problem right?

Yeah but personally I'd choose a smaller HDD and add in a cache 120gb SSD and faster freq RAM.. Maybe something like this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7Czh9W

a SSD is nice yes
higher frequency RAM doesn't do much for gaming
rather have lower frequency RAM (with good CLs) and a nice board than a cheap MSI

Guess so, but frequency is quite important with these z170's. It can handle 3600. And that MSI board is a good board.. SLI ready, m2 nvme slots, usb 3.1 type a and c.. sturdy components.. etc

So instead of 2TB's 1TB's is good along with the 120GB SSD? (What exactly does an SSD do again?) is 2133mhz enough for my RAM or should I change that? So the MSI Z170A is a good board for me or not?

Thanks again

2133 MHz is enough, you can get more, but there's little to no difference between 2133 MHz RAM and 3400 MHz RAM on Skylake, at least when gaming.
why "frequency is quite important with these z170's[sic!]" - I don't know. Haven't seen anything to support that. on the contrary.
but yes, 2400 MHz (sometimes cheaper), 2600, 2800, 3000 -- all nice when you can afford it. doesn't make much to next to none of a difference though.

you'd put your OS on the SSD for faster boot times and faster loading of key systems. it's convenient.

I don't recommend MSI boards due to MSI spending more on marketing than they should considering their poor quality control
also all these features at that price will come at cost of the quality of components used (such as wiring and such)
there's a reason the Gigabyte boards are 20 bucks more

 

[Multipack]

right right.

I'd go with the Z170X-UD3 or -Gaming 3 tbh
the K3 is pretty basic

PSU is great

build is good with a motherboard change

and you need a CPU cooler. The Cryorig H7 is the standard go-to these days

Ok thanks, so this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XqYQyf is good so far? I may change to the case without a window (althought it's the same case) this wouldn't be a problem right?

Yeah but personally I'd choose a smaller HDD and add in a cache 120gb SSD and faster freq RAM.. Maybe something like this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7Czh9W

a SSD is nice yes
higher frequency RAM doesn't do much for gaming
rather have lower frequency RAM (with good CLs) and a nice board than a cheap MSI

Guess so, but frequency is quite important with these z170's. It can handle 3600. And that MSI board is a good board.. SLI ready, m2 nvme slots, usb 3.1 type a and c.. sturdy components.. etc

So instead of 2TB's 1TB's is good along with the 120GB SSD? (What exactly does an SSD do again?) is 2133mhz enough for my RAM or should I change that? So the MSI Z170A is a good board for me or not?

Thanks again

2133 MHz is enough, you can get more, but there's little to no difference between 2133 MHz RAM and 3400 MHz RAM on Skylake, at least when gaming.
why "frequency is quite important with these z170's[sic!]" - I don't know. Haven't seen anything to support that. on the contrary.
but yes, 2400 MHz (sometimes cheaper), 2600, 2800, 3000 -- all nice when you can afford it. doesn't make much to next to none of a difference though.

you'd put your OS on the SSD for faster boot times and faster loading of key systems. it's convenient.

I don't recommend MSI boards due to MSI spending more on marketing than they should considering their poor quality control
also all these features at that price will come at cost of the quality of components used (such as wiring and such)
there's a reason the Gigabyte boards are 20 bucks more

http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/memory-performance-speed-latency

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/763132-What-memory-is-better-for-Skylake-Z170

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/423703-skylake-6700k-appears-to-be-scaling-significantly-with-ramspeed-in-dedicated-gaming/

No frequency isn't as important in gaming, but it does also improve overall system responsiveness and takes advantage of Intel's 6th Gen processors true capabilities. A 2133MHz module on a Skylake is practically underclocking. The cache is so powerful that latency is becoming less relevant as time goes on, plus CAS and freq. aren't as mutually exclusive as they have been with previous generations. And yes I have read plenty of things saying latency is where it's at, and I am not saying I am right, but it's food for thought and am just using these as an example for you. I find 3000MHz about the sweet spot personally, as higher starts to get a bit into unstable territory.

 

[Multipack]

So instead of 2TB's 1TB's is good along with the 120GB SSD? (What exactly does an SSD do again?) is 2133mhz enough for my RAM or should I change that? So the MSI Z170A is a good board for me or not? The RAM of the build that Multipack suggested has 3000mhz is that better/worse than the 2133mhz of the RAM that I found?

Thanks again.

SSD's are just much, much faster hard drives, with non-moving parts. You need at least an SSD cache if not full OS on one to truly benefit from the 6700k's capability.

I can only give my opinion and reasons. People will have different ones! Cheers

 

[Harrygc00]

So instead of 2TB's 1TB's is good along with the 120GB SSD? (What exactly does an SSD do again?) is 2133mhz enough for my RAM or should I change that? So the MSI Z170A is a good board for me or not? The RAM of the build that Multipack suggested has 3000mhz is that better/worse than the 2133mhz of the RAM that I found?

Thanks again.

SSD's are just much, much faster hard drives, with non-moving parts. You need at least an SSD cache if not full OS on one to truly benefit from the 6700k's capability.

I can only give my opinion and reasons. People will have different ones! Cheers

Ok thanks, so the 120gb SSD is good then?

 

[Harrygc00]

right right.

I'd go with the Z170X-UD3 or -Gaming 3 tbh
the K3 is pretty basic

PSU is great

build is good with a motherboard change

and you need a CPU cooler. The Cryorig H7 is the standard go-to these days

Ok thanks, so this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XqYQyf is good so far? I may change to the case without a window (althought it's the same case) this wouldn't be a problem right?

Yeah but personally I'd choose a smaller HDD and add in a cache 120gb SSD and faster freq RAM.. Maybe something like this http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7Czh9W

a SSD is nice yes
higher frequency RAM doesn't do much for gaming
rather have lower frequency RAM (with good CLs) and a nice board than a cheap MSI

Guess so, but frequency is quite important with these z170's. It can handle 3600. And that MSI board is a good board.. SLI ready, m2 nvme slots, usb 3.1 type a and c.. sturdy components.. etc

So instead of 2TB's 1TB's is good along with the 120GB SSD? (What exactly does an SSD do again?) is 2133mhz enough for my RAM or should I change that? So the MSI Z170A is a good board for me or not?

Thanks again

2133 MHz is enough, you can get more, but there's little to no difference between 2133 MHz RAM and 3400 MHz RAM on Skylake, at least when gaming.
why "frequency is quite important with these z170's[sic!]" - I don't know. Haven't seen anything to support that. on the contrary.
but yes, 2400 MHz (sometimes cheaper), 2600, 2800, 3000 -- all nice when you can afford it. doesn't make much to next to none of a difference though.

you'd put your OS on the SSD for faster boot times and faster loading of key systems. it's convenient.

I don't recommend MSI boards due to MSI spending more on marketing than they should considering their poor quality control
also all these features at that price will come at cost of the quality of components used (such as wiring and such)
there's a reason the Gigabyte boards are 20 bucks more

http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/memory-performance-speed-latency

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/763132-What-memory-is-better-for-Skylake-Z170

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/423703-skylake-6700k-appears-to-be-scaling-significantly-with-ramspeed-in-dedicated-gaming/

No frequency isn't as important in gaming, but it does also improve overall system responsiveness and takes advantage of Intel's 6th Gen processors true capabilities. A 2133MHz module on a Skylake is practically underclocking. The cache is so powerful that latency is becoming less relevant as time goes on, plus CAS and freq. aren't as mutually exclusive as they have been with previous generations. And yes I have read plenty of things saying latency is where it's at, and I am not saying I am right, but it's food for thought and am just using these as an example for you. I find 3000MHz about the sweet spot personally, as higher starts to get a bit into unstable territory.[/quotemsg

You guys know quite a lot about this then lol.

 

[Isokolon]

http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/memory-performance-speed-latency

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/763132-What-memory-is-better-for-Skylake-Z170

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/423703-skylake-6700k-appears-to-be-scaling-significantly-with-ramspeed-in-dedicated-gaming/

No frequency isn't as important in gaming, but it does also improve overall system responsiveness and takes advantage of Intel's 6th Gen processors true capabilities. A 2133MHz module on a Skylake is practically underclocking. The cache is so powerful that latency is becoming less relevant as time goes on, plus CAS and freq. aren't as mutually exclusive as they have been with previous generations. And yes I have read plenty of things saying latency is where it's at, and I am not saying I am right, but it's food for thought and am just using these as an example for you. I find 3000MHz about the sweet spot personally, as higher starts to get a bit into unstable territory.

thank you for the links.
it's a bit strange. the findings of anandtech was what I have read as well. there are some odd games where you may get a few fps more with higher clocked RAM, usually it doesn't matter at all (as seen with Dirt or Bioshock)
Gamestar on the other hand makes no serious comparison. they compare a downclocked 1600MHz RAM with an overclocked one. Skylake is specified for DDR4-2133MHz -- so 2133MHz kits are no downclockig at all -- and if you compare it like that there are usually no differences (except for BF4 & Fallout and of course applications like ipping tools or photoshop)

techbuyersguru 7games average comparison
legitreviews

as faster memory generally has an impact for gaming the difference is next to unnoticable in most cases and hardly justifies kit prices for 3000MHz RAM to be up to 30$ higher than 2400MHz RAM imo

 

[g-unit1111]

The NZXT h440 isn't exactly a mid-tower. Height wise it is but it has bays behind the GPU so is quite big. I know lol. It also isn't that quiet, but is nice and spacious without being huge. It isn't very mobile though.. It will support a top 240mm cooler. The all in one COrsair Hydro coolers are simple to install but again you probably wont need water cooling with an i3.

I have one, it's actually quite smaller than my Enthoo Pro. But my Enthoo Pro is a a full tower where the H440 is a mid tower. The H440 and S340 are both solid cases, you can't go wrong with either.

So far your build looks ok but you really don't need a z170 board with an i3 6100 as you aren't going to be overclocking it. The h110 chipset is more beginner level, with the b150 and h170 in between. Save the money on the board and put it towards other things.

I agree 100% here. Unless you do plan to upgrade to a 6600K and a nice CPU cooler, there's no reason for the liquid cooler or the Z170 motherboard.

Ok thanks, so the 120gb SSD is good then?

As long as it's not a Kingston SSDNow. Those drives are not good. You can get a Samsung 850 Evo 250GB for less than $100 right now and those are far superior drives.

 

[logainofhades]

Crucial MX300, 275gb, for like $70, is a great deal.

 

[g-unit1111]

Crucial MX300, 275gb, for like $70, is a great deal.

Yes it is!

 

[Harrygc00]

The NZXT h440 isn't exactly a mid-tower. Height wise it is but it has bays behind the GPU so is quite big. I know lol. It also isn't that quiet, but is nice and spacious without being huge. It isn't very mobile though.. It will support a top 240mm cooler. The all in one COrsair Hydro coolers are simple to install but again you probably wont need water cooling with an i3.

I have one, it's actually quite smaller than my Enthoo Pro. But my Enthoo Pro is a a full tower where the H440 is a mid tower. The H440 and S340 are both solid cases, you can't go wrong with either.

So far your build looks ok but you really don't need a z170 board with an i3 6100 as you aren't going to be overclocking it. The h110 chipset is more beginner level, with the b150 and h170 in between. Save the money on the board and put it towards other things.

I agree 100% here. Unless you do plan to upgrade to a 6600K and a nice CPU cooler, there's no reason for the liquid cooler or the Z170 motherboard.

Ok thanks, so the 120gb SSD is good then?

As long as it's not a Kingston SSDNow. Those drives are not good. You can get a Samsung 850 Evo 250GB for less than $100 right now and those are far superior drives.

Ah I think I you guys clicked on the link that was the wrong link, it's my fault. I would like to get a 6600k and a good CPU cooler. I linked the wrong link sorry. This is an idea http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XqYQyf and this is a suggested idea, http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7Czh9W . Thanks

 

[Harrygc00]

Crucial MX300, 275gb, for like $70, is a great deal.

Could I get a link for this?

Thanks.

 

[logainofhades]

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/rrvZxr/crucial-mx300-275gb-25-solid-state-drive-ct275mx300ssd1

 

[Harrygc00]

http://pcpartpicker.com/product/rrvZxr/crucial-mx300-275gb-25-solid-state-drive-ct275mx300ssd1

Thanks, so this is it right? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-MX300-2-5-Inch-Internal-Adapter/dp/B01IAGSD5O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476280849&sr=8-1&keywords=crucial+mx300+275gb

 

[logainofhades]

Yes

 

[Harrygc00]

Yes

Ok thanks. http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/CRnXf8 , what mobo would you guys suggest? And a 1060 or 1070? Thanks again.

 

[Isokolon]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£213.34 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£39.99 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Gigabyte G1.Sniper Z170 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£119.99 @ Novatech)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£75.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£64.61 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£42.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Palit GeForce GTX 1070 8GB GameRock Video Card (£379.98 @ Amazon UK)
Case: NZXT H440 (Matte Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£99.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£70.97 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit
Total: £1107.85
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-12 16:29 BST+0100

 

[g-unit1111]

Ah I think I you guys clicked on the link that was the wrong link, it's my fault. I would like to get a 6600k and a good CPU cooler. I linked the wrong link sorry. This is an idea http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/XqYQyf and this is a suggested idea, http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7Czh9W . Thanks

Both of those builds are good except for the SSD. The first build doesn't have a GPU, what are you planning to use there?