FX 5200 speeds?

Hunter_Killers · Feb 23, 2004

I bought an XFX 5200 a while ago for my comp till i get a new one, and from what i've heard a normal 5200's speeds are 250MHz/400MHz or 200MHzx2 but anything that shows the cards speed like RivaTuner or coolbits says 250MHz/333Mhz so is it running at 333MHz or 666MHz?

Ssseth · Feb 23, 2004

It's well known that video card manufactures often use slower/cheaper RAM on cards with more memory. So I gather you have a 128MB FX5200 and got stuck with some slow/crappy RAM. Video card manufactures often stray from Nvidia specs to either save money or sometimes create a niche product with specs above Nvidia defaults.

FYI, you also could have a 64 bit width (memory) card.
Is it a low profile card? From what I've gathered most (if not all) low profile MX440/FX5200 cards are only 64bit width which is a huge performance hit on an already mediocre card

To check download RivaTuner and the memory bus shows up under detailed info.

spitoon · Feb 23, 2004

There were a few 5200's released...I have seen some with 150MHzDDR (300), some with 200MHzDDR(400), and some with 250MHzDDR (500). It depends on who made it and how much they wanted to make on it

Hunter_Killers · Feb 23, 2004

Seems i missed the info page because i was just using it to enable AGP 4x on my P3V4X

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NVIDIA specific display adapter information
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Graphics core : NV34 revision A2
Hardwired ID : 0322
Memory bus : 64-bit
Memory type : DDR (RAM configuration 07)
Memory amount : 131072KB
Core clock : 249.750MHz
Memory clock : 166.500MHz (333.000MHz effective)
Reference clock : 27.000MHz

cleeve · Feb 23, 2004

Probably running at 166x2, unfortunately.

You have a 64-bit memory bus there, too, unfortunately. If you plan on doing any gaming, you should probably exchange that card for something better... a 64-bit 5200 is basically as good as a Geforce2 MX.

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Hunter_Killers · Feb 23, 2004

Seems to be doing ok if its letting me run HALO quite smoothly on a P2 400MHz with everything maxed, only problem with it is OpenGL runs extremely slow (below 1 fps) even in old games.

cleeve · Feb 23, 2004

Well, as long as you're happy with it. But you should be aware that a cheap Geforce4 T4200 for $75 or so would probably triple your framerates. Even a cheapo Radeon 9600SE would double them.
Then again, on a CPU that old it might not make much of a difference. but you say you plan to upgrade your CPU, so this is definitely not the card for you...

Your definition of "smoothly" is certainly not the same as mine, methinks.

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Radianation · Feb 23, 2004

I sold my ATI All-in-Wonder 9800 Pro for $200 and was given a GeForce FX 5200 as well.

I hated the ATI card because it performed so poorly on my NForce motherboard. I have been using a GeForce 3 ti-500 (best video card I've ever owned) for about 1.5 years without any trouble. I figured that an upgrade to the GeForce FX 5200 would be cool. So, I put the GF3 in my girlfriend's computer and the new GeForce FX 5200 in mine. Boy, was I wrong.

I play CounterStrike at 1600x1200 on my Dell 2000FP monitor (DVI out). No AA and graphics always on performance vs. quality. The ATI card would average 100fps but would drop to 30fps during combat. The GeForce 3 ti-500 averages 130fps and rarely dropped below 100fps. The GeForce FX 5200 averages 50fps and often drops to 30 or LESS. If I see a smoke grenade on the screen (even in low quality smoke) my FPS will drop to 10 with the horrible GeForce FX 5200.

Seriously... I think my TNT2 card performed better than this FX card.

There is *ONE* game that played well on it, and that was the Call of Duty demo. I haven't tried that game on the other two cards.

I'm ... disapointed with the FX series so far. I'd like to get the 5950, but that's a little pricey. On the flipside, I'll never buy another ATI card. I've had nothing but bad luck with them ever since my first Rage Fury.

pauldh · Feb 23, 2004

I'd argue the AIW Radeon 9800 Pro is the best card you've owned. I would have given you 3 GF3's or 2 GF4Ti4200's for that thing. I bet you were a victim of driver conflicts since you upgraded from a NVidia.

But welcome (back?) to the forums.

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Hunter_Killers · Feb 24, 2004

Anyone have any ideas what would be hitting OpenGL, cause even my TNT2 can outperform it right now.

Ssseth · Feb 24, 2004

Have you tried updating your drivers yet?
Play with the OpenGL settings in the advanced display properties area and turn everything to performance over quality and see if that helps.
Although with a 64bit bus on that card I wouldn't expect much from any game made past 2001-02.
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phial · Feb 24, 2004

haha dude, yea with a 64bit memory interface your running less than even some of the low end gf2's had

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Hunter_Killers · Feb 24, 2004

I highly doubt the 64-bit bus will do anything that bad to OpenGL, and i've tried like 5+ different drivers all doing nothing same with changing the settings.

I am also getting good enough fps in new games like Halo that i'm capable of beating my 2 friends that have high-end comps with 9800p's and they arn't noobs.

Ssseth · Feb 24, 2004

"I am also getting good enough fps in new games like Halo that i'm capable of beating my 2 friends that have high-end comps with 9800p's and they arn't noobs."

That my friend is impossible. Something fishy is going on here...
You are getting what 3000-5000 on 3DMark 2001?

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Zoron · Feb 24, 2004

Is the FX5200 fully DX 9? I've heard that with Halo, if you turn off all the fancy DX 9 effects, the game runs much more smoothly. Could it be your friends have all the effects on while you have all of yours off?

 If you design software that is fool-proof, only a fool will want to use it.

cleeve · Feb 24, 2004

A 64 bit bus won't just kill openGL. It'll kill everything.

What you have there, sir, is a Geforce2 MX200 that can run DirectX 9 shaders.
And very slowly at that.

I'm afraid that the idea of your computer getting better framerates than theirs is quite impossible... unless they're running 6x AA on Celeron 1.2 Ghz machines. Or maybe if you're running 640*480 and they're running 1600*1800...

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Hunter_Killers · Feb 25, 2004

I get 2492 3dmarks in 01 and no i'm running with it all on running 800x600 and forcing PS2.0 cause the others ones gave it worse believe it or not, and the one has a Asus A7N8X-E DX nForce2 and athlon 1700+ with the 9800p getting around 107 fps avg at 1024x768 with no FSAA/AF and i never did say i was getting "better" just enough.

coylter · Feb 25, 2004

Seems to be doing ok if its letting me run HALO quite smoothly on a P2 400MHz with everything maxed, only problem with it is OpenGL runs extremely slow (below 1 fps) even in old games.

BS BS BS BS BS BS BS BS BS BS
1- P2-400 yea sure, p2 dosnt even have the required instructions
2- Maxed out + smootly on a fx 5200 , What is smooth for you ..... 0.1 fps and 3x2 resolution?

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Ssseth · Feb 25, 2004

2500? Ouch that is indeed as bad as a GF2 MX200.

Check <A HREF="http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20020418/vgacharts-05.html" target="_new">here</A> for proof.

For a rough estimate to compare a 5200 with a 128bit bus check <A HREF="http://www.pcextreme.net/inno3d-fx5200-3.php" target="_new">here</A>.
The 64bit bus drains over half the score from the 5200.

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Hunter_Killers · Feb 25, 2004

Having a FX5200 with a 64-bit memory bus isn't going to make it worse than a TNT2 with a 64-bit memory bus, all i asked was if anyone knew what could be causeing OpenGL to perform that badly even in old games.

Ssseth · Feb 25, 2004

I thought you still had the opportunity to return it so that is why I brought it up. Pretty much ANY 128bit memory budget card will be a huge imporvement. Even an old GF4 MX440 (128bit) 64MB 8x AGP should get around 6000-7000 on 3D Mark 2001.

Perhaps <A HREF="http://forums.videogamereview.com/showthread.php?s=99467653127890da723110a579f5701b&p=17138#post17138" target="_new">this</A> thread will help.

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Hunter_Killers · Feb 25, 2004

Just i'm not gonna get much better due to the rest of the comp, i'm gonna be getting a 9800p with the new one but i might try returning and getting the MSI 5200 if its stock speed?

Edited by Hunter_Killers on 02/24/04 03:21 PM.

Ssseth · Feb 25, 2004

Remember that most if not all low profile (half height) MX440/5200 cards are 64bit memory width and therefore not an improvement.

Compared to what you have now you could get (all will be about twice 2x-3x as good):

Radeon
8500, 9000, 9100, 9200 (not SE, it's 64bit)

Nvidia (128bit memory width versions):
GF4 MX440
FX5200

Even though the stickied guide says not to go with the Nvidia cards any 128bit version of the above cards will outperform the one you have now significantly.

Myself I would try and track down the a GF4 Ti4200. If not the best out of the 9xxx ones is the 9100 (64MB), then 9200, then 9000.
The good thing about picking any of the Radeon 9xxx cards is you KNOW they will be 128bit versions (except the SE it is 64 bit, but at least ATI has the decency to change the name so it's easy to tell).

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Hunter_Killers · Feb 25, 2004

Would the <A HREF="http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/vga/vga/pro_vga_detail.php?UID=468&MODEL=MS-8907" target="_new">MSI 5200</A> be 128-bit in memory? and the card i have currently is full sized.

EDIT: Actually after having looked over what I can get, I might get a Gigabyte ATI 9200
Edited by Hunter_Killers on 02/24/04 04:10 PM.

Ssseth · Feb 25, 2004

Sounds like a good choice. You can then be sure you will get what you want (128bit memory). Just make sure it's not a 9200SE or you won't be much better off then what you have now.
It's a shame that Nvidia and/or card manufacturers can't do everyone a favor and do something like ATI has to let us know if it's 64bit or 128bit.
I recently went through the same confusion myself. Very frustrating.

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