fx 6/8 vs i3/i5/i7 haswell gaming

[IgorNew]

Hi In thins thread i want to point out series of videos i found around the youtube that show realistic difference in gaming performance between haswell and fx cpus.
Fx 8350 oc vs i7 4770k oc - gtx 980
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJpCsAUmr20
I3 4130 vs fx 8320 @ 4ghz - r9 280x
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CphtYLMNWi8
i3 4130 vs i5 4440 - gtx 960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSM8b0cYY2I
fx 6300 stock vs i5 4440 - gtx 770
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hmNltwUUsc
Fx 8350 @ 4.7 vs i5 4690k @ 4.7 - gtx 980
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZN64tKL1e8

I made this thread mostly to help people that are looking to build new system and have no idea where to start when it come to cpu.
Some games are heavy on cpu, and are optimized very poorly (example total war Fx cpu had one core 99% three cores below 30% and 4 cores off). In all games that are cpu heavy and are badly optimized i3 will offer better performance than any fx, i3 will not fall short behind i5 in games that use 1-2 cores and i3 4370 will perform better than any i5 below i5 4690k in single core performance (according to cpu boss).
As soon as game is heavy on gpu you will be fine with any modern cpu regardless of amd or intel
If game can use 4 (or more) cores, fx will start to outperform i3 and even some entry level i5's will be in fx 8 core shadow if game can use all of its 8 cores.
As you can see you need to look what kind of game you plan to play is it gpu bound? spend more on gpu less on cpu, need 1-2 cores for your games buy i3.

Sorry for long thread,
Tldr:
On a budget fx 6300 will do fine (one tip fx 8300 tend to be very close in price).
Not on a budget get i5 4690k.

 

[rgd1101]

Youtube. the worst place for any unbiased performance benchmark.

 

[jaguarskx]

I prefer a tech site that I can at least trust. My post from another thread....



Below are some CPU benchmarks of games from Techspot. You can find the reviews in the following link and click on the "Benchmark: CPU Performance" in index for each of the reviews. I am not going to bother with Batman: Arkham Knight CPU benchmarks since Iron Galaxy screwed up the PC port and Warner Brothers pulled the game from stores for major patching to fix severe performance issues.

http://www.techspot.com/features/gaming/gaming-benchmarks/

 

[IgorNew]

In case all benchmarks i found are biased, Jaguarskx got it from better source, what i actualy wanted to show is that intel cpus are better but looking from price to performance stand point if your budget does not alow high end computer you are better with cheaper fx and moderate mobo / cooler for oc than intel solutions (unless you go to extreme 6300 / 8300 / 8320 with mid range motherboard and 212 evo will cost less than any i5 4460 + h97 (There is no point in talking about i5 4690k in this thread as it is budget) and then trow price difference into better gpu.

 

[Suzuki@1473780084@1473780163]

YouTube isn't the most accurate, however just watch a few benchmarks and it's just as looking up actual benchmarks once you figured out the average. Best way is by trying it yourself, I don't trust any benchmarks out there at all.

 

[LookItsRain]

I love techspot.

 

[synphul]

The fx 8350 isn't cheaper than an i5/h97 build though, that's the problem. At least not in the u.s.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($164.37 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-D3P ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $252.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-17 02:51 EDT-0400

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($183.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($75.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $259.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-17 02:52 EDT-0400

The 8350 will need overclocked to try and compete head to head with the i5, so at the end of the day amd doesn't have better price/performance. The i5 will still perform better in most games, costs the same, less heat, no overclocking, less power consumption.

 

[IgorNew]

True to one extend synphul i5 4460 is better buy than fx 8350, but if you are on a budget, plan to oc and know a bit about fx 83xx series you will buy eather fx 8300 or 8320.
I live in Croatia and here pc parts are 10-30% more expensive (in general)
8300 cost around 1044 Hrk = 156$ ( (i don't know prices in usa) and fx 8350 cost 1557 Hrk = 232$
I5 4460 cost 241$ and i5 4590 cost 276$
Betwen fx 8350 and any i5 i would recommend i5, but fx 8300 (well they tend to hit 4.5GHz frequently) is something i would see better price to performance. At least in Croatia (and all other former Jugoslavia countries).

 

[synphul]

The thing about the fx though, even with your pricing, overclocking the fx doesn't entirely help it catch up to intel's performance. People who plan to oc will go amd makes no sense, going to the trouble to say it's overclocked and still end up with a lesser performing cpu after it's overclocked for the same money you could have paid for the i5/h97. You have to have a decent motherboard to overclock an 8350 to prevent vrm overheating issues and an aftermarket cooler. People would be better off with a stock locked i5 and not overclocking it. Overclocking doesn't always make things better.

If you have a weaker chip like the fx, overclocking can help (though not entirely solve) its performance issues. If you have two chips of the same level like a 4690 and 4690k, then overclocking the k series will give it better performance than the 4690. You can add an expensive water cooler, a really expensive top notch motherboard and overclock the 8350 as hard as you want to and still not get the performance of a stock i5 and it will end up costing someone more money to go the amd route. What purpose, would people rather be able to brag they've overclocked their system even though performance is worse? It's cutting the nose to spite the face a bit.

In the end it's not better price to performance. All the cost savings are spent on extras trying to get performance out of amd that doesn't exist and in the end people spend the same or more and still somehow think they're saving money because that's what amd or other people have told them. I imagine some of the low end chips like 8300/8320 overclock ok, but it's not a guarantee. So say you buy a cheaper 8300, get some oc out of it, spend on a more expensive motherboard so it can handle the overclock plus an aftermarket cooler. You pay a bit less than the stock i5 setup, it also performs less. Again not better price to performance, lower price and lower performance. If people don't mind lower performance than an i5 for cost savings, why not just buy an i3? Same difference. Reducing the performance level of the cpu for a lower price, there are all kinds of lower performing cpu's at lower prices for people to choose from. The cpu with the closest chance of catching the i5, mind you after a heavy overclock, is the fx 8350 which moves the prices up to about the same as intel. There's no secret winning combination there. One way or another a certain level of performance costs a certain amount of money and to save money means lowering performance.

 

[Niruvius]

You lost me here. I5 4460 > fx 8 core for gaming
Fx will cost more if you trow in some crazy cooler like h110i (why not pick i7 4790 and h97 then?) but for price of i5 4460 and cheapest h97 (you can find in croatia) you can get 990fxa ud3, fx 8300, evo 212 (for 4.2-4.3 it is enought) and still save few $.
Is i5 4460 better for gaming? Yes it is it better for long term if you dont go for i7? No it is not, with time more and more games will be able to use 6-8 threads and then we talk of oc i5 4690k performance. Im not trying to make amd look better than intel hell i had 2 intel and 2 amd systems so far and next one will be who offer more performance for sub 200$ for cpu+mobo