fx4300 good for budget?

[valhallarising]

Hi, im building a budget for somebody else. will a fx4300 be enough for at least 720 p with a radeon rx 460 ? i know its outdated but they wont a cheap solution. alternative is using a used lga 775 system with a xeon x5460 but if i go with fx4300 i can go with a new motherboard for almost same price.

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Build a system around a G4560.

 

[weberdarren97]

What motherboard will you be using? Many of the lower boards struggle with FX chips.

 

[SgtScream]

Amd Ryzen is coming out in the next month. Hold off to see those benchmarks. You'll likely get a better performance to price ratio.

 

[valhallarising]

thanks for answers but as i said they want a cheap solution and dont care about the new stuff, as long as it works.
the g4560 motherboards are to expensive for this build , the cpu is cheap but as i understand only work after updating bios on the older cheaper boards.

 

[SgtScream]

thanks for answers but as i said they want a cheap solution and dont care about the new stuff, as long as it works.
the g4560 motherboards are to expensive for this build , the cpu is cheap but as i understand only work after updating bios on the older cheaper boards.

Ok then - how do you want this "cheap solution" to work for you? What will you be using this build for?

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Solution unselected , wasn't made by the OP.

 

[valhallarising]

theyre gonna use it for surf and some budget gaming so the question is will fx4300 paired with that card be enough for decent performance when gaming. i seen videos of it handling battlefield 1 so i guess its not that bad

 

[valhallarising]

i can get the motherboard for ar ound 65 s new and the cpu used for around 50 s so its a very cheap solution

 

[weberdarren97]

theyre gonna use it for surf and some budget gaming so the question is will fx4300 paired with that card be enough for decent performance when gaming. i seen videos of it handling battlefield 1 so i guess its not that bad

Seen videos of it handling BF1... Sure. That game is currently wrecking even some i7's. The internet is full of people that are getting 100 FPS in BF1 from the integrated graphics on a Pentium.

$50 for an FX 4300? I'd try to knock them down to $40. Even then, it doesn't change the fact that it's really a dual core with very low IPC (some call this weak cores). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgejkSWzvNs

 

[valhallarising]

well i tried battlefield 1 with a core 2 quad q9650 and a geforce gt740 2 gb ddr5 and it played the game on medium settings on 720 p stable the question is how does this compare to that cpu and how much weaker is it than fx6100 and fx6300?

 

[TJ Hooker]

i can get the motherboard for ar ound 65 s new and the cpu used for around 50 s so its a very cheap solution

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($61.99 @ Jet)
Motherboard: Asus H110M-E/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($46.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $108.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-21 11:12 EST-0500

 

[valhallarising]

thanks, but will that motherboard have updated bios for the g4560? i dont got Another 1151 cpu myself to update it.
and i cant order from newegg here . i can get the cpu for about that price to but the problem is the cheaper boards are most likely not
bios updated for that cpu

 

[TJ Hooker]

thanks, but will that motherboard have updated bios for the g4560? i dont got Another 1151 cpu myself to update it.
and i cant order from newegg here . i can get the cpu for about that price to but the problem is the cheaper boards are most likely not
bios updated for that cpu

I imagine you can check with the retailer what BIOS it comes with. Kaby Lake BIOSs have been out for ~4 months, I'd think any retailer that moves products at a decent rate should have cleared out old mobos by now and should have ones with up to date BIOSs.

 

[valhallarising]

thanks, i will check with the Sellers if i can get the new bios then it would be a very good solution. what about the f4300 though better or worse than intel core quad q9650 or intel xeon x5460?

 

[weberdarren97]

thanks, i will check with the Sellers if i can get the new bios then it would be a very good solution. what about the f4300 though better or worse than intel core quad q9650 or intel xeon x5460?

Both of the Intel SKUs you listed are true quad cores. The FX 4300 was supposed to be a quad core but AMD banked on software solutions that never happened. Long story short, Windows has no idea how to use all four cores on an FX 4000 series CPU.

 

[valhallarising]

ok so a intel xeon x5460 on a upgraded old lga775 system would beat fx4300?
what about this board do you Think it will handle intel g4560? it is supported the question for me is just what bios version they will ship with. MSI H110M Pro-D

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/H110M-PRO-D.html#hero-specification

 

[weberdarren97]

ok so a intel xeon x5460 on a upgraded old lga775 system would beat fx4300?
what about this board do you Think it will handle intel g4560? it is supported the question for me is just what bios version they will ship with. MSI H110M Pro-D

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/H110M-PRO-D.html#hero-specification

I can't answer that question for sure. I'd like to say that the seller knows what he/she is doing and has sold the older BIOS versions first, but that's not always the case. You'll have to ask the seller.

 

[valhallarising]

weber so amd fx6300 is really a 3 core and amds hexacores are 4 cores? what a marketing scam

 

[valhallarising]

yeah problem is most Sellers here in sweden are not that helpful when it comes to that kind of service, its like big retailers but no service but i will try to get answer out of them.

 

[weberdarren97]

weber so amd fx6300 is really a 3 core and amds hexacores are 4 cores? what a marketing scam

Their quad-core FX chips have four cores, their hexa-core FX chips have six cores, and their octa-core FX chips have eight cores. The problem is that they're not optimized for how Windows identifies and uses CPU cores. Since AMD packed each pair of cores into a module, Windows identifies the module as a core and a thread but can't even use the thread to the extent that it can with Intel HyperThreading. Basically, FX is dead.

Here's a helpful video on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgejkSWzvNs

 

[valhallarising]

speccy shows 6 cores on my amd fx6300 so does windows but i guess that they cant be fully utlilized at same time thats what you saying? i read about that and people seem to disagree about this . not saying your wrong just saying theres aot of talk about that

 

[weberdarren97]

speccy shows 6 cores on my amd fx6300 so does windows but i guess that they cant be fully utlilized at same time thats what you saying? i read about that and people seem to disagree about this . not saying your wrong just saying theres aot of talk about that

Cinebench and Valley Benchmark beg to differ. The CPU identifies as a six core CPU, but programs that look past that and actually count the cores find only three because that's all that Windows can find.

When you say "so does Windows", what are you referring to? If you mean that you've gone into System Information and looked at it, it's just showing how the CPU identifies. It says it has six cores, so Windows writes six cores. If you go into Device Manager, you'll find six instances of the CPU but this doesn't imply six cores. Just as a dual-core i3 with four threads will show four times in Device Manger, the FX chip is shown six times because Windows found six threads.

 

[valhallarising]

yeah i guess intel got the upper hand all the time, i Think fx6300 is decent though if you dont got the highest demands but maybe not future proof. what about the g4560 will the two cores and four threads be enough for games in a few years to or will they need at least 4 true cores?

 

[valhallarising]

if its gonna last a few years isnt it a concern with only two logical cores?