FX5900 or 9800pro 128?

[Andyddr]

Well it`s all done in software so I`m sure u won`t fry your chip. Anyway just head over to <A HREF="http://content.guru3d.com/index.php?page=rivatuner&menu=8" target="_new"> RivaTuner </A> and try it out if u want. If u do please tell us if it worked and what frames u get now. I for one would like to know.

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[TKS]

nah...didn't like those. 😛 I'm sure there are tons of nVidiots out there that could post another three to counter those. I will say that those reviews were pretty cool to read. I'd take ATI winning anyday...mainly due to the fact that my main gaming machine contains a Xtasy 9500 Pro.

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TKS

 

[daddywags214]

Didn't like them? What's not to like..? I mean, it doesn't show ATi winning really... except GamePC, but those aren't standard benchmarks... it shows a tie. You see, it doesn't come down to me being a fanATic (I'm not) or everyone else being nVidiots (they're not). Those are real benchmarks! You look at almost any review on almost any website and that's what you'll see. <b>The truth is the truth no matter who reports it, no matter who "wins".</b> You see, it doesn't matter who you want to win, what matters is who wins. What I'm trying to say is, where's the proof that nVidia is beating up on ATi?

Give me a link (and not to the THG Buyer's Guide).

<b>Who dares, wins. </b>

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

I don't see it as win/lose, however I'd say the PRO is better than the non-ultra and the Ultra is better than the non-pro in most cases. And the ATI-256 gives me pause on alot of levels (based on jiffy's experiences and alot of reviewers mentioning heat), but as that's not in this equation/choices, who cares.

Here's a few reviews;

One that shows the Ultra and Pro locked at about even (depends on your fav.)
<A HREF="http://www.hardavenue.com/reviews/5900u9800p.shtml" target="_new">http://www.hardavenue.com/reviews/5900u9800p.shtml</A>

OC NZ, showing the R9800Pro definitely doing a pretty good job at consistently beating the FX5900non-ultra, in just about everything but Quake3 (and I don't even look at that benchie anymore) [this came out today], sorry it's a Gigacube review!.
<A HREF="http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/review.php?id=03vga00r9800progigacuber9800pro0104" target="_new">http://www.overclockers.co.nz/ocnz/review.php?id=03vga00r9800progigacuber9800pro0104</A>

Game2XS doing another review showing the strengths of both the R9800 and FX5900U in different areas, change res. and games and each pulls of wins when they lost in similar areas ust a sec. ago (one wins at high res. then loses in the next game),another tie IMO.
<A HREF="http://www.game2xs.com/content.php?action=article&contentid=923" target="_new">http://www.game2xs.com/content.php?action=article&contentid=923</A>

A review by Digit-life of the Albatron FX5900PV (non-ultra)
<A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/gffx-17.html" target="_new">http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/gffx-17.html</A>
or another one with the Gainward;
<A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/gffx-16.html" target="_new">http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/gffx-16.html</A>

DDwags214, I think THIS more recent [H] review paints a different picture of the 2 cards;
<A HREF="http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDk2" target="_new">http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDk2</A>

And while this is a review of the passively cooled Sapphire R9800ProUE it does show up well for the R9800P in most instances (not enough tests IMO);
<A HREF="http://www.ukgamer.com/article.php4?id=98&page=1" target="_new">http://www.ukgamer.com/article.php4?id=98&page=1</A>

Kindof a skimpy review but one focusing on the FX5900non-ultra from HEXUS;
<A HREF="http://www.hexus.net/review.php?review=600" target="_new">http://www.hexus.net/review.php?review=600</A>

And;

One of the most detailed 'cheating' reviews that was included in a pretty good look at the Hercules 3D prophet (R9800Pro). Love the Boys at digit-life's work, very detailed always, ALLLLWAAAYS! (Mad TV Cabbie);
<A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/herc-r9800-r7500.html" target="_new">http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/herc-r9800-r7500.html</A>

Ohh and what the heck here's another one from digit-life (Hey, I like their reviews, especially nice one page scrolling [takes time to load though]);
<A HREF="http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/gffx-13.html" target="_new">http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/gffx/gffx-13.html</A>

After all that the only thing I can say is I stick by my original statement, the Pro vs the non-ultra and non-pro(obviously) and the Ultra vs. the non-pro and non-ultra(ditto). You may find that one outperforms the other in a specific game/mode you like, but in general 'I' think that's how it turns out. As for the externalities like cheating and such, that's for the individual to decide if that's a factor or not.

<b>MaxxRacer</b>, Of the two choices above, I say the <b><i>R9800Pro</b></i> is your best bet if they are the same price.

That's just my two frames worth.


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[daddywags214]

Roger that Grape, thanks for the stuff, I really enjoyed viewing the situation from all sides, and like you, stand by my original verdict of the 9800Pro being the best choce.

Oh yeah, by the way, in Maximum PC they didn't mention any problems with heat on the 256, although they did say the 5900 had "a commanding lead over the 9800 Pro 256mb in almost all benchmarks." And this is in the September issue, where, just 36 pages earlier, they said "benchmarking battles between the two cards failed to produce a clear winner... the nVidia board would win one benchmark and the ATi board would come back to beat it in the next test... akin to choosing a Lambo or a Ferrari." Chalk it up to Maximum PC's Will Smith, who seems to prefer nVidia. Yet he still gave it a Kickass award. Odd.

<b>nVidia cheated on me so I left her for ATi. ATi's hotter anyway...</b>

 

[lhgpoobaa]

I have a R9800pro. the 128mb sapphire one.
Its uber fast, and the visual quality is fantastic.
The card is also cool running and QUIET.
Can barely hear the 50mm fan.

If you can find one that cheaper than the 5900 then you're laughing.

P.S. yes i have used nvidia cards before, so i ant no fanboy. I simply believe the R9800pro is a better deal at this point in time.

<b>Regards,
Mr no integrity coward.</b> <P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by LHGPooBaa on 08/14/03 08:24 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[MaxxxRacer]

Well guys, thanks for all the info. I have decided to go with the 9800pro.. I had the 9700pro and really liked it, and i am sure i will love hte 9800pro. I found a good price on the model from hercules. It has ramsinks and an improved gpu cooler so it should be good for some decent overclocks..

New System: XP2600 oced to 2.35GHZ, 512mb corsair pc2700 oced to 190mhz x2, 80GB Western Digital (getting the raptor), A7N8X Deluxe, and soon to be Radeon 9800 pro

 

[lhgpoobaa]

Is that the 256mb version or the 128mb version?

The 256mb version is too expensive. Overpriced for a very minor performance gain only experienced in certain circumstances.


<b>Regards,
Mr no integrity coward.</b>

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Enjoy!
I love Hercules' stuff they usually put high quality parts on their boards, and is my top recommendation for ATI partners. Also hope you like Blue cause you'll be seeing alot of it. 😎

Let us know how it goes. Maybe post a few benchmarks when you've got it up and running.


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[MaxxxRacer]

I will get the 128mb version. The 256mb version is a joke. there is absolutely no point in getting it unless it has DDR2 memory on it so that i can overclock it. but i dont feel like spending that much money.

I will post some benchmakrs when i get it running. I will post stock speeds of vid card and cpu, and then with max oc of vid card and machine. I should get some really good benchmarks...

New System: XP2600 oced to 2.35GHZ, 512mb corsair pc2700 oced to 190mhz x2, 80GB Western Digital (getting the raptor), A7N8X Deluxe, and soon to be Radeon 9800 pro

 

[lhgpoobaa]

cool.
thats the ticket.
ive got the mem on my R9800pro from 340 up to 360... gotta put on ramsinks to see if i get more.
core is from 380 up to 411 so far... still testing.

<b>Regards,
Mr no integrity coward.</b>

 

[Willamette_sucks]

First let me say, that the ddr2 memory on the 256mb 9800s is the only reason to buy them... but its a pretty good reason as well. If i had the money, id do it. You can usually get that stuff to 420-440 ish. Not bad, not bad at all.

Cool PooBaa, wasnt aware you had a 9800 too.

What programs are you using to test your overclocks?

I can do 460/470ish on the core, and 375/385ish on the memory, depending on the program.

Course I've got a volcano 10 on the gpu, and some nice tweakmonster ramsinks on the memory (and not those pussy BGA sized ones either)... yeah, my 9800 pros about to break in half just sitting in my case, but oh well.

For benchmarking purposes i usually use 460/380 (zero artifacts, 100% stable, cept in 03 mother nature as youll see later).

The bitchiest test ive found is the 03 mother nature test, I get some anomalies in that with the memory at 380, but I get no such anomalies in ANY other program.

The results are quite impressive in practice. I generally leave my card at 440/360 (nice n' safe) and I see a substantial performance increase with these speeds (over stock speeds) in UT2k3, and other 'hardcore' games.

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[Andyddr]

Well I`ve had nVidia all my computer life from the Tnt to my last card a Ti 4400. Yesterday I bought an Ati Radeon 9800PRO and I`ve seen the light. I can`t beleive how much better it is in performance and quality and the system seems to be running alot smoother with no jerks in games and Bios screens like I`ve had with nVidia. All this time it thought it was `normal` but there is noway I`ll go back to nVidia soon...

My personal opinion ATI rather that nVidia

"The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad."
- Salvador Dali (1904-1989)

 

[lhgpoobaa]

Testing wise i just play my games and have a fraggin good time.
Mostly freelancer, serious sam and will rock.
360Mhz mem is the best i can do without ramsinks, 363 produces one or two artefacts after 30mins or so of gaming.
But ive been running the core at 420 and it had zero problems with half an hour of intense gaming.
So not too shabby
4xAA and 16x ansio as standard

ill try 430 core now methinks.

<b>Regards,
Mr no integrity coward.</b>