Gamers say "There's No point to conroe"

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Having just moved up from an Ahlon XP3200+ Barton with 1gb OEM Ram and the 6800GT to a Core 2 X6800 with 2GB Corsair Pro PC6400 and an ATI X1900XTX I can say it was very worthwhile. I now spawn so far ahead of anyone else in BF2 that I get the jets and choppers for the first time! I can run CoD2, BF2, and DDO all at max. Was it the Conroe or the combination? Probably the combination, but as a guy who just spent $2500 to game, IT WAS WORTH E VERY PENNY! I have no regrets and y'all can eat my contrails...

It's my Corvette...

My Rig:
Core 2 Duo X6800 Conroe (Stock Clock for Now)
Intel D975XBXLRK
Thermaltake Big Typhoon HSF
2 GB Corsair Pro PC6400 4-4-4-15
74GB 10k Raptor
ATI X1900XTX
SB Audigy 2 ZS
NEC DVD OEM Burners (x2)
Ultra X-Finity 600w SLi Certified PS
Gigabyte 3D Aurora Case

Thats great, but you would have been just as happy with a 5000+ or e6600. I bet if you changed it you wouldn't noticve a difference :wink:
 
Having just moved up from an Ahlon XP3200+ Barton with 1gb OEM Ram and the 6800GT to a Core 2 X6800 with 2GB Corsair Pro PC6400 and an ATI X1900XTX I can say it was very worthwhile. I now spawn so far ahead of anyone else in BF2 that I get the jets and choppers for the first time! I can run CoD2, BF2, and DDO all at max. Was it the Conroe or the combination? Probably the combination, but as a guy who just spent $2500 to game, IT WAS WORTH E VERY PENNY! I have no regrets and y'all can eat my contrails...

It's my Corvette...

My Rig:
Core 2 Duo X6800 Conroe (Stock Clock for Now)
Intel D975XBXLRK
Thermaltake Big Typhoon HSF
2 GB Corsair Pro PC6400 4-4-4-15
74GB 10k Raptor
ATI X1900XTX
SB Audigy 2 ZS
NEC DVD OEM Burners (x2)
Ultra X-Finity 600w SLi Certified PS
Gigabyte 3D Aurora Case

Thats great, but you would have been just as happy with a 5000+ or e6600. I bet if you changed it you wouldn't noticve a difference :wink:
A 5000+... WHERE????
 
I've been looking in some other forums from different places, and unlike here where conroe is all the craze, they couldn't care less. Its not just conroe they don't care about, its almost any high end processor. The common theme is why pay for an x6800 or FX-62 when i can get a x2 3800, 4200, or e6300 and get the same results in the game or close to it for a fifth of the price? They also acknowledge how faster cpu's help people with CAD, and stuff like that, but since most people don't do that there is no point. It seems to me that people on this forum are somewhat "misguided" for recommending such highend cpu's for gaming, or even buying them themselves. I also think that conroe, although not the case here, could benifit AMD buy lowering prices and giving more exposure of AMD to normal people. I know you will also say that the e6300 can overclock past an FX-62, but in response to that, people arn't willing to pay the higher price for that cpu, nor the very expensive motherboard required to overclock like that. They also seem to like the idea of the new EE chips from AMD, and disregard C2D's slighty higher power consumption, and performance. AMD has also respinded to this with the new x2 3600, and i think it will catch on. Anway i think this will benifit AMD because by the time we need chips like the x6800 and FX-62 to run all games on high settings, AMD will have the crown back and will maybe have all price points covered, plus additional exposure to normal consumers. I see 30% marketshare in the not too distant furture 8)



I have always said that the high end CPUs after 2GHz would be overkill for most things. The 3800+ will get you playable framerates with 7900GT/GTX with almost any game at 1280 HQ.

All you need is a Core 2 6300, everything else is just not needed by most people. For me even the FX62 is not enough but I can get along with a 4400+. That's why I'm getting FX+2.

But it's for developing client/server applications, not gaming or Office. Anything between Core 2 E6600 and X2 3800+ is really the high end until Vista. Vista will change the game a little but more of the extra power again COMES FROM THE GPU and RAM.

I would bet that an X2 3600+ with a 7900GTX would be much better for Vista than a 6700-up with a 7800GT.

The two combos are around the same price with mobo.

why not a e6300 and a 7900gtx, u stil get better performance, not costing that much more
 
In reply to Corvetteguy

Perhaps you are new to this whole PC thing.

Technical innovation is good for all consumers, not just the supporters of one company or another. It is not a good thing for any company to hold “the crown” for too long as it tends to cause their heads to swell. This is the attitude that created the AMD phanboi movement in the first place. It happened when Intel dominated the market and enterprising folks discovered that their CPU’s had hidden potential that was intentionally turned off and these folks discovered how to turn it on, thus overclocking was born. At first Intel did nothing it was when Intel shut down the overclocking ability that AMD found their way into the market.

AMD marketing execs knew that these elite few tended to also be the people in IT positions with companies where the real profits were to be had. So they did everything they could to encourage overclocking by intentionally making it easy. Once AMD gained market penetration they changed their position and then began closing the door to overclocking just like Intel did.

One can find reason to dislike either company because they both have used and manipulated the “powerusers” that are the overclocking type to their advantage. They know the real importance of these people to them and it is here; How many times has this happened to you?

Your aunt, uncle, cousin, neighbor, friend, boss, co-worker etc.. comes to you and asks “I need a guru because I am computer illiterate, what do you recommend that I should buy?”

The reason this happens is partly due to the marketing hype that confuses the mainstream customer, it is also due to the fact that there are just too many choices for them to make and the inexperienced will find the technology and its lingo difficult to understand. If you understand the technology and the lingo this is why people come to you and if you are here reading this forum than you likely do.

If one more person calls me a Guru I am going to puke. If I hear one more person say that they are computer illiterate I am going to puke.

The importance of the extreme CPU’s is in swaying the opinions of those in the know such as yourselves. It’s about building brand loyalty so that when you don’t hold the crown you still hold their wallets and most importantly they are still recommending their brand to those that aren’t in the know.
 
As far as Steam type games go you can't squeal much about FPS for many reasons that have nothing to do with your hardware.

Points are as follows.

(1) Steam Source Engine sucks you dry on FPS whatever AGP/PCI-E card or CPU you use.

(2) The admin in any server can cap your FPS off at whatever the hell he feels he wants you to have because if you did manage to join at 175 FPS on a new PCI-E card and are kicking the **** out of everything that moves in the game server you are either going to get admin slow hacked (FPS CAPPED) to like 66fps or kicked and or banned for going to fast.

(3) If the Admin is a great Block and not a nasty little California pussy that cant stand a skilled player on fast hardware then Steam it's self will share most of your bandwidth with the rest of the guys on slower connections anyways and therefore **** kick the crap out of your FPS in the process.

(4) This trend to control gamers hardware so they cant perform at great levels with fast hardware is rampant over much of the current online games now as they share your bandwidth speed to level out the playing field and when this done you lose any hardware advantage you might have had to start with.

Or you can just be a JAM up player that happens to be on a 56K and they will ban you anyways lol. Also all Admins in any game servers need a Pink Bunnies suit on so you don't shoot them three times in a row and get banned for that reason.

another reason not to buy a $1000 cpu :wink:
so we wont buy $1k cpus from amd or intel

thats right, unless you NEED the speed for something other than gaming 8)
 
well once vista comes out wont alot of people not even want the nvidia 7 series cards because of directx 10. When the directx 10 come out theyll blow the directx9 cards out of the water.
 
Having just moved up from an Ahlon XP3200+ Barton with 1gb OEM Ram and the 6800GT to a Core 2 X6800 with 2GB Corsair Pro PC6400 and an ATI X1900XTX I can say it was very worthwhile. I now spawn so far ahead of anyone else in BF2 that I get the jets and choppers for the first time! I can run CoD2, BF2, and DDO all at max. Was it the Conroe or the combination? Probably the combination, but as a guy who just spent $2500 to game, IT WAS WORTH E VERY PENNY! I have no regrets and y'all can eat my contrails...

It's my Corvette...

My Rig:
Core 2 Duo X6800 Conroe (Stock Clock for Now)
Intel D975XBXLRK
Thermaltake Big Typhoon HSF
2 GB Corsair Pro PC6400 4-4-4-15
74GB 10k Raptor
ATI X1900XTX
SB Audigy 2 ZS
NEC DVD OEM Burners (x2)
Ultra X-Finity 600w SLi Certified PS
Gigabyte 3D Aurora Case

Thats great, but you would have been just as happy with a 5000+ or e6600. I bet if you changed it you wouldn't noticve a difference :wink:
A 5000+... WHERE????

A e6600... WHERE... oh here, but hey they're marked up 25% :roll:
 
It has to do with people not wanting/needing highend chips which leaves them with AMD as an attractive option. If you can't make that connection which i explained well your bogus 😛

The reason for the thread saying no point for conroe, is because thats what most people here recommend. They say, there's no reason to buy an FX-62, but there is also no poin t to buy an x6800, yet they recommend it constantly, or maybe at least an e6700

What is funny is that AMDs stock has recently taken a dive, and all the professional sector analysis I came up with, had a different conclusion than you about what the conroe means for AMD.

The conroe's domination combined with the premium they paid for ATI might sink the boat, or at least put a big hole in it.
 
well once vista comes out wont alot of people not even want the nvidia 7 series cards because of directx 10. When the directx 10 come out theyll blow the directx9 cards out of the water.

yes, and $1000 cpu's will still not be need for gaming 8)
 
A e6600... WHERE... oh here, but hey they're marked up 25%
25% from what, from the 1000 cpu's tray price?!

(Anyway you don't need to answer... I don't want to try to educate an uneducated teenager...)
 
It has to do with people not wanting/needing highend chips which leaves them with AMD as an attractive option. If you can't make that connection which i explained well your bogus 😛

The reason for the thread saying no point for conroe, is because thats what most people here recommend. They say, there's no reason to buy an FX-62, but there is also no poin t to buy an x6800, yet they recommend it constantly, or maybe at least an e6700

What is funny is that AMDs stock has recently taken a dive, and all the professional sector analysis I came up with, had a different conclusion than you about what the conroe means for AMD.

The conroe's domination combined with the premium they paid for ATI might sink the boat, or at least put a big hole in it.

Perhaps in the short term, but with AM2 the price point for most gamers, and having a graphics company... that will turn around fast 8)
 
Well thats right, and i understand that well, since it seems to have swayed most here into thinking, not only the x6800, but the whole conroe line is the best thing for every situation, and every price... but we know thats not true.
 
A e6600... WHERE... oh here, but hey they're marked up 25%
25% from what, from the 1000 cpu's tray price?!

(Anyway you don't need to answer... I don't want to try to educate an uneducated teenager...)

are you denying that they are marked up? Take a look at newegg
 
Errr... If you can't manage money, and do not know exactly what you want, that person will be at the mercy of what others say is the best.

Without highend/midrange/lowend processors, I think we all be in the dark as far as having some point in Conroe/FX CPUs.
 
I've been looking in some other forums from different places, and unlike here where conroe is all the craze, they couldn't care less. Its not just conroe they don't care about, its almost any high end processor. The common theme is why pay for an x6800 or FX-62 when i can get a x2 3800, 4200, or e6300 and get the same results in the game or close to it for a fifth of the price? They also acknowledge how faster cpu's help people with CAD, and stuff like that, but since most people don't do that there is no point. It seems to me that people on this forum are somewhat "misguided" for recommending such highend cpu's for gaming, or even buying them themselves. I also think that conroe, although not the case here, could benifit AMD buy lowering prices and giving more exposure of AMD to normal people. I know you will also say that the e6300 can overclock past an FX-62, but in response to that, people arn't willing to pay the higher price for that cpu, nor the very expensive motherboard required to overclock like that. They also seem to like the idea of the new EE chips from AMD, and disregard C2D's slighty higher power consumption, and performance. AMD has also respinded to this with the new x2 3600, and i think it will catch on. Anway i think this will benifit AMD because by the time we need chips like the x6800 and FX-62 to run all games on high settings, AMD will have the crown back and will maybe have all price points covered, plus additional exposure to normal consumers. I see 30% marketshare in the not too distant furture 8)



I have always said that the high end CPUs after 2GHz would be overkill for most things. The 3800+ will get you playable framerates with 7900GT/GTX with almost any game at 1280 HQ.

All you need is a Core 2 6300, everything else is just not needed by most people. For me even the FX62 is not enough but I can get along with a 4400+. That's why I'm getting FX+2.

But it's for developing client/server applications, not gaming or Office. Anything between Core 2 E6600 and X2 3800+ is really the high end until Vista. Vista will change the game a little but more of the extra power again COMES FROM THE GPU and RAM.

I would bet that an X2 3600+ with a 7900GTX would be much better for Vista than a 6700-up with a 7800GT.

The two combos are around the same price with mobo.

why not a e6300 and a 7900gtx, u stil get better performance, not costing that much more


I think I did mention the 6300. My comparison was AMD low end vs Core 2. It would be the same with 6300 and a 7900GTX.

When the DX10 games come out it will be better to have SLI/CrossFire than Core 2 Extreme or FX 62.
 
Errr... If you can't manage money, and do not know exactly what you want, that person will be at the mercy of what others say is the best.

Without highend/midrange/lowend processors, I think we all be in the dark as far as having some point in Conroe/FX CPUs.

And therefore it is the responsibliity of others who know what they are talking about not to recommend something so over the top a top end cpu for gaming at a price like that. Recommendations shouldn't be what would be "cool", its what is best at a resonable price.
 
Errr... If you can't manage money, and do not know exactly what you want, that person will be at the mercy of what others say is the best.

Without highend/midrange/lowend processors, I think we all be in the dark as far as having some point in Conroe/FX CPUs.

And therefore it is the responsibliity of others who know what they are talking about not to recommend something so over the top a top end cpu for gaming at a price like that. Recommendations shouldn't be what would be "cool", its what is best at a resonable price.

As that old Tesla song goes:

The way it is... the way that it goes.. happening in the strangest ways.
 
baron im surprised u arent taking shots at intel(wich is gd) and no one else is turning this thread into a bashing fest

but in all honesty, if u hav hordes of money to spend its ur rite to, but if u want advice, the best may not always match your needs
 
baron im surprised u arent taking shots at intel(wich is gd) and no one else is turning this thread into a bashing fest

but in all honesty, if u hav hordes of money to spend its ur rite to, but if u want advice, the best may not always match your needs

THANK YOU 😀
 
Errr... If you can't manage money, and do not know exactly what you want, that person will be at the mercy of what others say is the best.

Without highend/midrange/lowend processors, I think we all be in the dark as far as having some point in Conroe/FX CPUs.

And therefore it is the responsibliity of others who know what they are talking about not to recommend something so over the top a top end cpu for gaming at a price like that. Recommendations shouldn't be what would be "cool", its what is best at a resonable price.

Again, if someone comes in asking for what is the BEST they can get for a certain amount of cash, people will recommend the BEST at that range. Reasonable price is not a factor when someone says they have $1000+ to drop on just the CPU. Or even $800 for just a component.

And since the E6600, even at it's ridiculously high mark ups, is still a damn good chip for the price, it will be recommended, not just for gamers, but for everything, since it outperformed most other CPUs, at much higher value.

You might not really like it that C2D CPUs are what people are going nuts for, but it's a reality right now. Maybe if AMD's 4X4 is under $500, then it will take off as well, but right now, C2D is the chip that most people will recommend for just that: cost vs. performance.
 
Errr... If you can't manage money, and do not know exactly what you want, that person will be at the mercy of what others say is the best.

Without highend/midrange/lowend processors, I think we all be in the dark as far as having some point in Conroe/FX CPUs.

And therefore it is the responsibliity of others who know what they are talking about not to recommend something so over the top a top end cpu for gaming at a price like that. Recommendations shouldn't be what would be "cool", its what is best at a resonable price.

Again, if someone comes in asking for what is the BEST they can get for a certain amount of cash, people will recommend the BEST at that range. Reasonable price is not a factor when someone says they have $1000+ to drop on just the CPU. Or even $800 for just a component.

And since the E6600, even at it's ridiculously high mark ups, is still a damn good chip for the price, it will be recommended, not just for gamers, but for everything, since it outperformed most other CPUs, at much higher value.

You might not really like it that C2D CPUs are what people are going nuts for, but it's a reality right now. Maybe if AMD's 4X4 is under $500, then it will take off as well, but right now, C2D is the chip that most people will recommend for just that: cost vs. performance.

well in that situation the person should tell them that they don't need an x6800 and an e6600 will do the same for half the price. If the person stil wants it, you've done your best, but they can't be helped. But if they do downgrade slightly, you've saved them lots if money.
 

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