Gamers say "There's No point to conroe"

[NMDante]

My 2 Cents!

Conroe is the best CPU performance improvement in the passed 5-6 years. Not only does it perform better than and AMD or older Intel cores, it OverClocks very well. A overclock 6300/6400 will out perform FX-62 in most benchmarks. I'm not a Intel nor and AMD fanboy; I try to use best technology currently offered.

Personally, I have not been so excited about a computer build with new CPU since AMD Athlon 800MHz slot cpu. Praise is due to Intel for releasing this kick-butt cpu!!!

They make me mad though since they coulda done something similar a long time ago, but decided to sit back and watch profits roll in instead, until AMD was getting too good and they had to curtail it. Intel doesn't try and thats why i don't like them among other reasons. AMD tries, and is good to their customers. Last post here...NO MORE FOR ME

My final thoughts on this whole thing.

1st, sorry, but Intel had Conroe in development for some time. The Core Solo and Duo chips were the first glimpse of the now infamous Core 2 Duo chip. They didn't sit on their hands and let money roll in. That's pure crap.

2nd. AMD is trying to gain market share, so it looks as though they are trying harder than intel. But if you look at it through the eyes of the tech world, intel dropped the ball, and AMD scooped it up and ran with it. AMD used that advantage to pretty much kick intel's ass, for the last few years, and now intel woke up.

3rd. To believe that a company doesn't try to be a good resource for their customers is ridiculous. Also, to claim that any huge company (and yes, no matter what you might think, AMD is a huge company) is 1 person who is reading tech trades, wondering what he could do to make little Billy happier. No. It's a board of directors looking to gain the most money in their investment in the company. Period.

You seem to keep making the fact that intel brought out a good product as an attack to you and your family, when in reality, this product brought about one of the biggest price cuts ever seen in the history of computer processors. Think about it. If intel didn't introduce C2D, would prices be as insane as they are right now, for mid to low range AMD or Intel chips? You are looking through rose colored glasses, and that might be a disadvantage to you, since you won't ever really recognize any newer, or better technology, no matter who makes it, because your sights have narrowed so much.

 

[Caboose-1]

God forbid we should ever attempt to maintain a common manner of decency and have intelligent discussions.

corvetteguy, you have made your point. However, the previous five pages of nonsensical bullshi7 has made it abundantly clear that we do not care. I suggest everyone steer clear of this thread unless they plan on turning it into something worth our time.

 

[severeon]

I agree that high end cpu's arent a nessesity, but when did anyone say "Nah, dont got for the x2 4800, stick with the D 820"??

NEVER!!!!

Stop spreading FUD

 

[turpit]

I agree that high end cpu's arent a nessesity, but when did anyone say "Nah, dont got for the x2 4800, stick with the D 820"??

NEVER!!!!

Stop spreading FUD

live news flash :!: more emotion on a bs topic :!: outbursts abound in a multitude of regressed fashions :!: news at ten

What are you guys tonight? The fun police?

BM hasnt been posting anything of consequence today (maybe he finally unglued himself from his keyboard and went out side) 9 inch hasent headlined us today (maybe he got banned again) and MMM hasnt been around under any of his puppets. No fun there.
Now that enough Core 2's are out and in the hands of real people, the bench marks have been verified and all the paper launch BS is dying off. No fun there
The only other "fun" thread in the forum todays got locked (who knows why) so this thread has been the fun AND YOU WANT TO SPOIL IT???
Shame on you!


Peace

 

[turpit]

I agree that high end cpu's arent a nessesity, but when did anyone say "Nah, dont got for the x2 4800, stick with the D 820"??

NEVER!!!!

Stop spreading FUD

live news flash :!: more emotion on a bs topic :!: outbursts abound in a multitude of regressed fashions :!: news at ten

What are you guys tonight? The fun police?

BM hasnt been posting anything of consequence today (maybe he finally unglued himself from his keyboard and went out side) 9 inch hasent headlined us today (maybe he got banned again) and MMM hasnt been around under any of his puppets. No fun there.
Now that enough Core 2's are out and in the hands of real people, the bench marks have been verified and all the paper launch BS is dying off. No fun there
The only other "fun" thread in the forum todays got locked (who knows why) so this thread has been the fun AND YOU WANT TO SPOIL IT???
Shame on you!


Peace

You are right, there is a certain amount of humor and fun that can come of a 'fanboy' like banter. What would we have to push against if there were such 'inflammatory' posts such as this ...

Far too true. Without a little verbal conflict, not only would this place be unpalatably dry, but the level of information exchange would probably drop significantly. How much information would never have been posted if you and the other smarts didn’t have BM, MMM, 9NM and Sharikoupoop to draw the knowledge out?

Besides, Corvetteguy is still in the impressionable years and needs to be guided towards reality lest he turn into another BM.

Peace

 

[croc]

Stupid question...

Just what does 'FUD' mean?

Or 'lol' for that matter... Really hard to figure out from usage patterns.

As in 'will you quit spreading FUD lol' to someone who's merely supplying advice in a particular thread to someone who asked a specific question?

I used to think that 'lol' meant 'laughing out loud'.

Now every other sentence (if I can deem the fragments of language that we see on the screen as 'sentences') sems to end in 'lol'.

And every statement that anyone does not approve of, is labelled as 'FUD'.

'My MB fried lol'...

'Quit spreading that FUD about your friend's MB'...

And so on and so on....

 

[turpit]

Stupid question...

Just what does 'FUD' mean?

Or 'lol' for that matter... Really hard to figure out from usage patterns.

As in 'will you quit spreading FUD lol' to someone who's merely supplying advice in a particular thread to someone who asked a specific question?

I used to think that 'lol' meant 'laughing out loud'.

Now every other sentence (if I can deem the fragments of language that we see on the screen as 'sentences') sems to end in 'lol'.

And every statement that anyone does not approve of, is labelled as 'FUD'.

'My MB fried lol'...

'Quit spreading that FUD about your friend's MB'...

And so on and so on....

FUD=Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt
LOL=Laughing Out Loud

 

[1Tanker]

Stupid question...

Just what does 'FUD' mean?

Or 'lol' for that matter... Really hard to figure out from usage patterns.

As in 'will you quit spreading FUD lol' to someone who's merely supplying advice in a particular thread to someone who asked a specific question?

I used to think that 'lol' meant 'laughing out loud'.

Now every other sentence (if I can deem the fragments of language that we see on the screen as 'sentences') sems to end in 'lol'.

And every statement that anyone does not approve of, is labelled as 'FUD'.

'My MB fried lol'...

'Quit spreading that FUD about your friend's MB'...

And so on and so on....

lol is still "laughing out loud" or "lots of laughs".

FUD is "fear, uncertainty,doubt".

And you'll see BS aimed squarely at Baron Matrix' posts...but i'm sure you know what that means.

 

[rahul_cracker]

YOU = AMD fan boy ,why cant you think above 3600+ or 4200+ ,grow up there's intel with a better set of processors admit it ,cheaper solutions cannot gurantee performance people seek here and this forum is good for basic knowledge and for enthusiasts .People don't mind spending on processor , ram's and other stuff ,peole who cant afford are well treated with budget solutions and best buy for the money .By the way which other forums are you talking about who have better set of people please tells other so they can admire such forumz . :idea: :twisted:

 

[turboflame]

I've been looking in some other forums from different places, and unlike here where conroe is all the craze, they couldn't care less. Its not just conroe they don't care about, its almost any high end processor. The common theme is why pay for an x6800 or FX-62 when i can get a x2 3800, 4200, or e6300 and get the same results in the game or close to it for a fifth of the price? They also acknowledge how faster cpu's help people with CAD, and stuff like that, but since most people don't do that there is no point. It seems to me that people on this forum are somewhat "misguided" for recommending such highend cpu's for gaming, or even buying them themselves. I also think that conroe, although not the case here, could benifit AMD buy lowering prices and giving more exposure of AMD to normal people. I know you will also say that the e6300 can overclock past an FX-62, but in response to that, people arn't willing to pay the higher price for that cpu, nor the very expensive motherboard required to overclock like that. They also seem to like the idea of the new EE chips from AMD, and disregard C2D's slighty higher power consumption, and performance. AMD has also respinded to this with the new x2 3600, and i think it will catch on. Anway i think this will benifit AMD because by the time we need chips like the x6800 and FX-62 to run all games on high settings, AMD will have the crown back and will maybe have all price points covered, plus additional exposure to normal consumers. I see 30% marketshare in the not too distant furture 8)

1st what forums are you talking about that don't recommend conroes its not(AT)(h)(oc)(vr)(e) forums . You must mean the AMD forums correct?
2nd I think the title should say "I say "there's no point to conroe"
3rd after reading through some of your responses you even give the e6300 as an alternitive, last time i checked the e6300 was a conroe but i havent checked in a while.
4th taking into acount 1,2,3 the title should read " I say "there is no point to a $800 conroe for games

actually the e6300 and e6400 are allendales
sorry to nitpick

 

[radioguy]

Stupid question...

Just what does 'FUD' mean?

Or 'lol' for that matter... Really hard to figure out from usage patterns.

As in 'will you quit spreading FUD lol' to someone who's merely supplying advice in a particular thread to someone who asked a specific question?

I used to think that 'lol' meant 'laughing out loud'.

Now every other sentence (if I can deem the fragments of language that we see on the screen as 'sentences') sems to end in 'lol'.

And every statement that anyone does not approve of, is labelled as 'FUD'.

'My MB fried lol'...

'Quit spreading that FUD about your friend's MB'...

And so on and so on....

lol is still "laughing out loud" or "lots of laughs".

FUD is "fear, uncertainty,doubt".

And you'll see BS aimed squarely at Baron Matrix' posts...but i'm sure you know what that means.

If you look up FUD in wikipedia it was invented by Gene Amdahl, somewhat famous for Amdahl's law of parallel processing of single threads. He worked for IBM, left and started his own company and complained that he could not succeed becuase IBM used fear, uncertainy, and doubt tactics to keep people from buying products from his company.

You just helped me kill an entire hour of my day. God I love wikipedia. Thanks JJ

 

[kukito]

The reason for the thread saying no point for conroe, is because thats what most people here recommend. They say, there's no reason to buy an FX-62, but there is also no poin t to buy an x6800, yet they recommend it constantly, or maybe at least an e6700

Now you're making things up. I have yet to see anyone here recommending the x6800. On the contrary, when someone inquires about it, everybody says it's a waste of money. That comment alone lessens the credibility of your posts, even though I don't totally disagree with what you said initially, but when the very argument you use to justify the creation of the thread is bogus, then the whole thread is bogus.

 

[DeMonOfElRu]

God .. an entire 5 pages worth of BS (no , that wasn't directed at BM).

Can we all just stop this now ??

The TC made a good point about people recommending high-end conroes instead of low-end ones to people who are "CLEARLY" not in the know or "CLEARLY" don't have deep pockets ..... by saying "OH , BUT IT OVERCLOCKS LIKE CRAZY !!!". Or , somewhere along the lines of ..... "BUT AM2 IS A CRAP PLATFORM. WHY DO YOU WANT TO EVEN CONSIDER IT. " ........ I can list many other DIPSTICK REMARKS ... but that is hardly the point.

The point is .... there will ALWAYS be people who can read and write and acquire knowledge just like everyone else ...... but just aren't capable of adapting themselves to strange situations that "swerves" from the "text-book teachings". .....
People who don't know what context means .....
Or People that just don't care .......

like this guy ....

.... Best comparison I have personal experience with is doing a call for some old man who had RoadRunner.... said "I use it to check my email" .... I didnt say "hey thats pointless dial up would be 75% cheaper and be just as good" I just corrected his issue and went on with my day 😀

..... to which , the TC's response was

Thats my point, that man. You probably know you shoulda told him to get dial-up, but you didn't care too much and let him get it. Thats the way people act on this forum.

Clearly , there are morons who always advise people to get the best, newest and most expensive for pretty much any question/situation (no, not the example above). However, there are plenty of good , sane advice to be had too you know and give the rest of us some credit.

So I'd say ..... quit whinin' and move on kid. !! With kind-hearts like you around who care about other people , the world should be a safer place to live in somewhat. At least take comfort in that, even though you're outnumbered.

Either way , for something like this to last 5 pages ....... gosh the end of the world must be friggin darn close. All logic is turned on its head.

 

[JonathanDeane]

Hey now its not that I didnt care you have to realize that people are funny about things like that. Tell some one the car they just purchased is a pile of junk and tell me what reaction you get Sometimes its best just to let people do what they want with there own money lol

 

[corvetteguy]

Its funny because this thread started out as an idea to show some other opinions from people outside this forum that didn't seem to be that impressed with conroe because it wasn't in their price range. Then i was accused of being a fanboy 😛

I have admitted i like AMD better than Intel, but i also said i wouldn't screw myself over to buy AMD. I'm not an idiot, nor am i too young to no any better.

I'll try to make myself more clear about how gamers say no point to conroe. Now like you said that most people barely know who intel and AMD are, and thats my point. Right now they see CONROE, any level, they don't know the dif between e6300 and x6800, as an expensive top of the line product. After concluding they can't afford conroe, they look farther down, which leads to AMD, which is in their price range, and has a good rep for not being crap. Thats why the topic is named that.

PLEASE keep in mind that I did not say there is no point to conroe. One such forum since you want proof was NCIX, a customer forum, not really a tech forum like here. Sure there were a couple die hard(i really mean that) intel fanboys and amd fanboys trying to win arguements, but the majority of gamers decided that the price was right for AMD and went for it. And finally that were my idea about conroe being good for AMD OVERALL came from. Intel's p4's use to be the right price, now its AM2... for some NORMAL gamers.

 

[gOJDO]

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OPINON WHEN MEASURING PERFORMANCE!
THERE ARE ONLY NUMBERS AND THE NUMBERS SAID THAT THE TITLE OF THIS STUPID THREAD, THAT YOU HAVE OPENED IS A LIE!
PLEASE DON'T CRY BECOUSE YOU HAVE NO CAPACITY TO CONSUME ALL THE FLAMINGS YOU HAVE OR HAVE NOT DESERVED!

 

[cxl]

I've been looking in some other forums from different places, and unlike here where conroe is all the craze, they couldn't care less. Its not just conroe they don't care about, its almost any high end processor. The common theme is why pay for an x6800 or FX-62 when i can get a x2 3800, 4200, or e6300

Isn't e6300 Conroe?

AMD has also respinded to this with the new x2 3600, and i think it will catch on. Anway i think this will benifit AMD because by the time we need chips like the x6800 and FX-62 to run all games on high settings, AMD will have the crown back and will maybe have all price points covered, plus additional exposure to normal consumers. I see 30% marketshare in the not too distant furture 8)

Conroe is very new product. Prices are high now, but will go down soon. There is no reason right now for Intel to sell even low-end Conroe parts cheaper.

AMD has last oportunity window to increase market share, but this time it will be at the price of drastically lowered margins (even x2 3600 die size is bigger than Conroe). By no later than January, I expect Intel to start taking market share back - really bad time for AMD as they will most likely miss Vista launch. Intel will most likely be able to go up to 4Ghz with conroe - quite easy to match any improvements AMD is able to make.

I consider buying sume AMD's put stock options

Mirek

 

[NMDante]

E6300 is not Conroe, but Allendale (I think that's the name).

Conroe C2D CPUs are the 4MB cache chips.

Those were just the code names for the Core 2 Duo chips. It's not called Conroe/Allendale CPUs, just Core 2 Duo CPUs. The amount of cache is what seperated the two, is all.

*edit*

E6600 has 4MB of L2 and it is Conroe.

whoops...put the wrong CPU in there. LOL I did the edit.

Here's a link:
Core 2 Duo

 

[gOJDO]

E6600 is not Conroe, but Allendale (I think that's the name).

Conroe C2D CPUs are the 4MB cache chips.

Those were just the code names for the Core 2 Duo chips. It's not called Conroe/Allendale CPUs, just Core 2 Duo CPUs. The amount of cache is what seperated the two, is all.

E6600 has 4MB of L2 and it is Conroe.

 

[corvetteguy]

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OPINON WHEN MEASURING PERFORMANCE!
THERE ARE ONLY NUMBERS AND THE NUMBERS SAID THAT THE TITLE OF THIS STUPID THREAD, THAT YOU HAVE OPENED IS A LIE!
PLEASE DON'T CRY BECOUSE YOU HAVE NO CAPACITY TO CONSUME ALL THE FLAMINGS YOU HAVE OR HAVE NOT DESERVED!

I didn't say anything about performance, i'm talking about price and how most people won't shell out the money they think they will have spend to get a conroe, which they believe is the top of the line, even if its an e6300, its got the name conroe with it so it must expensive.

This is not a stupid thread, people like you overreacting made it a stupid thread.

I'm not crying about anything. I stayed and tried to get my point across, but it was misunderstood, but now i think people understand. If i had no capacity for critizism would i still be talking? Or would i have run away and dumped the thread?

And if you really want to be picky, the thread sin't a lie because the low end "conroes" core 2's are allendales.

 

[cxl]

The only reason AMD and retailers droped the A64 & X2 prices was in response to Conroe. . We're in a price war right now, so waiting, even a week may save cash, but sooner or later, you're going to have to buy.

Actually, does not look as typical price war to me - at the moment, Intel has its high-margin parts (Core2), while AMD reduced prices in order to be able to compete with Intel's low-end parts. Sure, Intel has some obsolete stock to sell, but I guess that netburst price reduction would have to come with Core2 anyway.

Mirek

 

[NMDante]

No, people come to believe it is expensive, because they see the prices of C2Ds, which are in high demand, being marked up alot, and they believe that price will stay like that forever and ever.

The supply of C2D, along with motherboards and even some memory, makes the entire system seem expensive, when it's not.

If someone was doing a complete system upgrade, I would recommend the C2D to them, since they showed that they are better across the board in almost every application/gaming scenario. And, with quad core being tested on existing boards, it's hard to say that the newest chipset is not upgradable.

To suggest a lower priced item is fine, but to suggest a lower performing item is wrong.

 

[Scooby2]

I'm a gamer with an E6600 so I think that inavalidates the title of the thread.

I want to be able to play games 1-2 years down the line and a conroe seems the best bet for future proofing my system.

As for the Conroe =expensive statement. Which company was it who just halved thier prices almost across the board to compete ?

 

[corvetteguy]

Ya thats what i mean. I don't mean sacrifice all your performance for a low price. Just get the processor that will do the job.

If someone came in here asking for specs on am internet machine, and said they had no budget, would you tell them to get an x6800? or even an e6300?. I wouldn't, i'd tell em to save their money and buy a x2 3800 EE. I wouldn't tell em to get a PD or P$ since they are actually crap. But just because the 3800 is low priced, that doesn't mean its crap.

I guess my philosiphy is just because you can get better doesn't mean you should.

 

[NMDante]

Ya thats what i mean. I don't mean sacrifice all your performance for a low price. Just get the processor that will do the job.

If someone came in here asking for specs on am internet machine, and said they had no budget, would you tell them to get an x6800? or even an e6300?. I wouldn't, i'd tell em to save their money and buy a x2 3800 EE. I wouldn't tell em to get a PD or P$ since they are actually crap. But just because the 3800 is low priced, that doesn't mean its crap.

I guess my philosiphy is just because you can get better doesn't mean you should.

Why? With no budget, they probably are just trying to get a feel of what the forum thinks is the best setup without starting an AMD vs. Intel thread.

I would recommend the best CPU available, along with a lower priced/performance option. I wouldn't simply say, get this XXX because you don't need the power. How would I know?

I would give my opinion of what would be, probably, my dream setup. CPU, video, RAM, mobo, etc., then widdle it down from there. B

Budget systems are one thing, but when someone asks for a build with no budget, there's no way I won't recommend the best out there.

If they just want an internet machine, I'd tell them go get a pre-built system from Best Buy or CompUSA or something like that.