Gamers say "There's No point to conroe"

[quantumsheep]

I've been looking in some other forums from different places, and unlike here where conroe is all the craze, they couldn't care less. Its not just conroe they don't care about, its almost any high end processor. The common theme is why pay for an x6800 or FX-62 when i can get a x2 3800, 4200, or e6300 and get the same results in the game or close to it for a fifth of the price? They also acknowledge how faster cpu's help people with CAD, and stuff like that, but since most people don't do that there is no point. It seems to me that people on this forum are somewhat "misguided" for recommending such highend cpu's for gaming, or even buying them themselves. I also think that conroe, although not the case here, could benifit AMD buy lowering prices and giving more exposure of AMD to normal people. I know you will also say that the e6300 can overclock past an FX-62, but in response to that, people arn't willing to pay the higher price for that cpu, nor the very expensive motherboard required to overclock like that. They also seem to like the idea of the new EE chips from AMD, and disregard C2D's slighty higher power consumption, and performance. AMD has also respinded to this with the new x2 3600, and i think it will catch on. Anway i think this will benifit AMD because by the time we need chips like the x6800 and FX-62 to run all games on high settings, AMD will have the crown back and will maybe have all price points covered, plus additional exposure to normal consumers. I see 30% marketshare in the not too distant furture 8)

2 Points here:

1. Learn how to paragraph.

and:

2. Shut the hell up fanboy.

How bout' you read further than the first post DUMBASS

You didn't read my eidt?

I edited my post after i had read further than the first post.

 

[corvetteguy]

I just thought i'd add this in as some proof as to how people recommend on this forum. This is only one example and doesn't cover all people.

The guy was originally going to get a budget gaming pc. This is what he wanted:

e6300
x1800xl
WD 320gig se Caviar

This is what someone recommended. Remember..tight budget.

I'd definitely try and stretch that budget to an E6400 or even E6600, and up the graphics card to an X1900XT.

Of the two case/power supply options, I'd go for the P150 w/NeoHE, although I upgraded my PSU to the 550w NeoHE to accommodate a new graphics card but your Conroe will need less wattage than my overclocked A64.

I'd also be inclined to choose a Raptor as my OS/installation drive and keep the Caviar as my storage drive. I decided not to budget for this with my build and I'm kinda regretting it, the load speeds are apparently very good with the 10k raptors.

So, its all a case of money.

For gaming, I'd *definitely* suggest an e6400 minimum and X1900XT if you want to have any kind of longevity in that system to last until DX10.

This to me is too much of a strecth for someone on a budget, but thats just me.

 

[turpit]

Thats why i said IF they REALLY WANTED to. I didn't say they will and i was saying thats not whats happening, and perhaps maybe they are changing their attitudes.

@turpit... i would never screw myself to support a company, first because it doesn't matter what i do as an individual, and second cuz i'm not an idiot

Glad to hear it. But be careful about how you word things as some of what you said implies that you would do such a thing.

@verndewd.... NO PLEASE DON"T LOCK MY THREAD lol

ps. j/k please end the madness 😛

I second that. :lol: :lol:


Peace

 

[quantumsheep]

I just thought i'd add this in as some proof as to how people recommend on this forum. This is only one example and doesn't cover all people.

The guy was originally going to get a budget gaming pc. This is what he wanted:

e6300
x1800xl
WD 320gig se Caviar

This is what someone recommended. Remember..tight budget.

I'd definitely try and stretch that budget to an E6400 or even E6600, and up the graphics card to an X1900XT.

Of the two case/power supply options, I'd go for the P150 w/NeoHE, although I upgraded my PSU to the 550w NeoHE to accommodate a new graphics card but your Conroe will need less wattage than my overclocked A64.

I'd also be inclined to choose a Raptor as my OS/installation drive and keep the Caviar as my storage drive. I decided not to budget for this with my build and I'm kinda regretting it, the load speeds are apparently very good with the 10k raptors.

So, its all a case of money.

For gaming, I'd *definitely* suggest an e6400 minimum and X1900XT if you want to have any kind of longevity in that system to last until DX10.

This to me is too much of a strecth for someone on a budget, but thats just me.

I agree with those points there. If someone has a budget people shouuld try and recommend the best things for that price bracket.

Again, sorry for the flaming earlier, my bad.

 

[spud]

What i'm saying is that most people won't spend an extra 800$ so they can squeal when they get 5 extra fps in a game.

Actually you're the one who's wrong here, Conroes are relatively cheap and getting cheaper as availability increases. There's no $800 extra involved, not even $100 extra. And these guys WILL pay $200 more to get faster RAM for a 0.5% performance increase, more proof that your views on practicality and pricing are completely off-base.

Way to go looking at only half of the post. I was talking about the x6800 which is a 1000 US dollars. And i was also talking about MOST NORMAl people that wouldn't see the point of spending that much on any component to get a 0.5% increase.

Anyway this thread is over so go away tard. :roll:

Did you just call Crashman a tard? Oh wow you really are a noob idiot if you have the gusto to call Crash a tard, or you suffer from BM disorder.

 

[killer_roach]

For somebody who doesn't have a PC, or their current PC is far from salvageable, there is a huge point to Conroe; namely, it's the fastest thing on the market, and, once availability improves, will be at a rather attractive price point to boot. To anyone, however, who currently has a P4D or an Athlon 64 of any stripe, then yes, there is no point, as getting a new video card will get you far more bang for your gaming buck than a new Conroe and motherboard will (even more so if you have a 939 A64 X2, as the upgrade would also entail getting new RAM). It's all a matter of perspective. However, with Intel supposedly releasing new quad-core CPUs based on the Core 2 architecture by the end of the year, anybody who isn't taking the "start over from scratch" route is probably pretty foolish for throwing down their coins for any CPU at the moment, unless they feel they absolutely need the CPU performance boost right away.

Anyone else think that the quad-core announcement may end up depressing demand for Core 2 Duo CPUs over the intermediate term?

 

[turpit]

Anyone else think that the quad-core announcement may end up depressing demand for Core 2 Duo CPUs over the intermediate term?

Maybe. Im willing a lot of people who have already been waiting for Core 4 may not be willing to wait another 6 months, as well as those who are in "must" buy now situations. The other consideration is, if Intel is honest and the Core 4s will be drop in CPUs, then why not buy a C2D system now, and just upgrade the CPU later?


Peace

 

[corvetteguy]

Thats the beauty of the internet, you can call people whatever you want when you don't know them!

 

[corvetteguy]

Thats the beauty of the internet, you can call people whatever you want when you don't know them!

:lol: :lol: :lol: There is a certain solace to be had in anonimity where one would say things that, socially, one would never say For example, I would not necessary walk up to BaronMatrix in public and say you lack metacognative competence to recognize your own limitaiton, but I have no problem doing so here

Ya i'm still laughing at that i see dumb people joke 😛

 

[quantumsheep]

What i'm saying is that most people won't spend an extra 800$ so they can squeal when they get 5 extra fps in a game.

Actually you're the one who's wrong here, Conroes are relatively cheap and getting cheaper as availability increases. There's no $800 extra involved, not even $100 extra. And these guys WILL pay $200 more to get faster RAM for a 0.5% performance increase, more proof that your views on practicality and pricing are completely off-base.

Way to go looking at only half of the post. I was talking about the x6800 which is a 1000 US dollars. And i was also talking about MOST NORMAl people that wouldn't see the point of spending that much on any component to get a 0.5% increase.

Anyway this thread is over so go away tard. :roll:

Did you just call Crashman a tard? Oh wow you really are a noob idiot if you have the gusto to call Crash a tard, or you suffer from BM disorder.

Calling Crashman a 'tard is sort of like calling 9-Inch a completely unbiased individual.

 

[turpit]

Thats the beauty of the internet, you can call people whatever you want when you don't know them!

:lol: :lol: :lol: There is a certain solace to be had in anonimity where one would say things that, socially, one would never say For example, I would not necessary walk up to BaronMatrix in public and say you lack metacognative competence to recognize your own limitaiton, but I have no problem doing so here

:lol: :lol: :lol:


See what you did to me? You're on a roll with the comedy comebacks today Jack. My lungs cant take it. :lol: :lol:






Peace

 

[djkrypplephite]

Sounds like you're PR for the AMD camp. I'm a gamer and I'm getting one. Just depends on who your audience is that you're surveying, bud.

 

[DavidC1]

I've been looking in some other forums from different places, and unlike here where conroe is all the craze, they couldn't care less. Its not just conroe they don't care about, its almost any high end processor. The common theme is why pay for an x6800 or FX-62 when i can get a x2 3800, 4200, or e6300 and get the same results in the game or close to it for a fifth of the price? They also acknowledge how faster cpu's help people with CAD, and stuff like that, but since most people don't do that there is no point. It seems to me that people on this forum are somewhat "misguided" for recommending such highend cpu's for gaming, or even buying them themselves. I also think that conroe, although not the case here, could benifit AMD buy lowering prices and giving more exposure of AMD to normal people. I know you will also say that the e6300 can overclock past an FX-62, but in response to that, people arn't willing to pay the higher price for that cpu, nor the very expensive motherboard required to overclock like that. They also seem to like the idea of the new EE chips from AMD, and disregard C2D's slighty higher power consumption, and performance. AMD has also respinded to this with the new x2 3600, and i think it will catch on. Anway i think this will benifit AMD because by the time we need chips like the x6800 and FX-62 to run all games on high settings, AMD will have the crown back and will maybe have all price points covered, plus additional exposure to normal consumers. I see 30% marketshare in the not too distant furture

I don't remember comments like this when A64s were out and the situation were the same. The performance advantages were EVEN LESS than Core 2 has over the A64s now.

Do I see a biased person or even worse, a fanboy??

According to this logic EVERYONE SHOULD STICK WITH A $40 CELERON D/SEMPERON. In reality this doesn't happen. People want faster CPUs, and that's why anything greater than ultra value still sells well.

 

[uk_gangsta]

Sounds like you're PR for the AMD camp. I'm a gamer and I'm getting one. Just depends on who your audience is that you're surveying, bud.

Sounds lik ur PR bla bla bla, quick word of advice, stick to wot ur best at dj'in

 

[uk_gangsta]

I've been looking in some other forums from different places, and unlike here where conroe is all the craze, they couldn't care less. Its not just conroe they don't care about, its almost any high end processor. The common theme is why pay for an x6800 or FX-62 when i can get a x2 3800, 4200, or e6300 and get the same results in the game or close to it for a fifth of the price? They also acknowledge how faster cpu's help people with CAD, and stuff like that, but since most people don't do that there is no point. It seems to me that people on this forum are somewhat "misguided" for recommending such highend cpu's for gaming, or even buying them themselves. I also think that conroe, although not the case here, could benifit AMD buy lowering prices and giving more exposure of AMD to normal people. I know you will also say that the e6300 can overclock past an FX-62, but in response to that, people arn't willing to pay the higher price for that cpu, nor the very expensive motherboard required to overclock like that. They also seem to like the idea of the new EE chips from AMD, and disregard C2D's slighty higher power consumption, and performance. AMD has also respinded to this with the new x2 3600, and i think it will catch on. Anway i think this will benifit AMD because by the time we need chips like the x6800 and FX-62 to run all games on high settings, AMD will have the crown back and will maybe have all price points covered, plus additional exposure to normal consumers. I see 30% marketshare in the not too distant furture

I don't remember comments like this when A64s were out and the situation were the same. The performance advantages were EVEN LESS than Core 2 has over the A64s now.

Do I see a biased person or even worse, a fanboy??

According to this logic EVERYONE SHOULD STICK WITH A $40 CELERON D/SEMPERON. In reality this doesn't happen. People want faster CPUs, and that's why anything greater than ultra value still sells well.

FFS you are a complete idiot, YES i have a sempron and YES it runs oblivion fine!!!!!! So his logic is true. stop slagging him of from my view hes jus postin wot he thinks in comparison to other forums on the internet.

 

[uk_gangsta]

FFS you are a complete idiot, YES i have a sempron and YES it runs oblivion fine!!!!!!

You've gotta be kidding .... couldyou please provide a link that evaluates Oblivion on this CPU.... don't post your FPS I would not believe you.

I dont have fps table of my cpu becuase im not that sad to bother testin it of looking for someone who has. I have a shit graphics card which brings the fps down but other than that its fine and anyway my graphics card is beside the point. if it was that shit to the point that realy anoyed me id buy a new cpu/mobo setup. my sempron 3000+ @ 2.4ghz 400fsb and 2gb ddr333mhz is good enough for me and YES it DOES run oblivion fine. im goin bed now niittteeee peoples

 

[Synergy6]

FFS you are a complete idiot, YES i have a sempron and YES it runs oblivion fine!!!!!! So his logic is true. stop slagging him of from my view hes jus postin wot he thinks in comparison to other forums on the internet.

Did the OP ask for a loyal poodle, or did you come of your own accord?
Synergy6

P.S.

 

[ryokinshin]

if u hav enough money to get an extreme type proc and a gd gfx card, be my guest, otherwise money on the gfx card, nuff said

 

[turpit]

I dont have fps table of my cpu becuase im not that sad to bother testin it of looking for someone who has. I have a **** graphics card which brings the fps down but other than that its fine and anyway my graphics card is beside the point. if it was that **** to the point that realy anoyed me id buy a new cpu/mobo setup. my sempron 3000+ @ 2.4ghz 400fsb and 2gb ddr333mhz is good enough for me and YES it DOES run oblivion fine. im goin bed now niittteeee peoples

[Translation:] You're all wrong and I'm right because I say so. I dont have proof because because I said I dont need it.[/Translation]

Allrighty then....

 

[turpit]

FFS you are a complete idiot, YES i have a sempron and YES it runs oblivion fine!!!!!! So his logic is true. stop slagging him of from my view hes jus postin wot he thinks in comparison to other forums on the internet.

Did the OP ask for a loyal poodle, or did you come of your own accord?
Synergy6

P.S.

Holy Painted Poodles Batman, they even put fingernail polish on the poor mutts nails! Thats just........sad

 

[dmacfour]

Comparing a corvette to a jetta goes back to the Apples/Oranges comparison

 

[Lizardfuel72]

So, this thread goes on forever. Why?? The arguments are irrelevant. The thread name was "No point to Conroe" not "No point to high end Conroe". That in itself is just dumb.

 

[Crashman]

Word. But I'm feeling generous today, so I'll just point out to the rational minds like yours that his statement, there's no point to Core2 Duo's...is only backed by his implication that they cost a lot more. Which, if pressed hard enough, he'd have to admit is not true.

I went through several pages of the guy spewing on about $1000 CPU's and he comes back and says it's irrelevant because the $800 he had previously used refered to a graphics card. I look around for expensive CPU's and I see FX and Xtreme, neither of which are pertinent to any discussion on value.

 

[turpit]

So, this thread goes on forever. Why?? The arguments are irrelevant. The thread name was "No point to Conroe" not "No point to high end Conroe". That in itself is just dumb.

Your point is????
Someone made a statement, people responded, thats why its called a forum and not a blog. Who cares if it goes on forever. If people have better things to do with their time, they can. No ones pointing a gun at anyones head saying "respond" or "dont respond".


Peace

 

[cyborg_ninja-117]

i would say subway eat fresh bitch and if at first you dont succeed, your baronBS in real life.