Question Gaming build at 1440p, need help with selecting parts

[Weathered]

Looking to build a new computer for gaming at 1440p. Currently running 8700k, 1080ti, 16gm ram. Would just need the main components, don't need monitor, keyboard or mouse.

Haven't really kept up with the latest news on hardware. I know gpu prices have been pretty high, have those been coming down any? What video card would I need to see a noticeable increase over my current 1080ti? 3060? 3070? 3080ti?

Part of me wants to go all out on this build. But also at same time, don't want to spend 3,4 or 5k dollars. Don't plan on doing any watercooling unless certain cpu's absolutely require some type of watercooling. I have never messed with water cooling before.

Any reason to wait to build? New hardware coming out soon? I may not "need" to upgrade but been getting the itch to upgrade

 

[Karadjgne]

Vertical mounted gpus is a bad idea for air-cooled. The cards nowadays are deep enough that vertical mounting puts them too close to the side panels. That restricts airflow heavily and the gpus run considerably hotter.

In most cases. There are some cases designed around a vertical gpu, but the Lancools are not one of them.

Vertical gpus in a glass sided mid-tower look cool, but are anything but cool.

 

[Why_Me]

I am on the fence about whether to get a contact frame. Some say its "needed", others say its not.

On the case I have selected Lian Li Lancool III, would I be able to vertical mount the gpu? And if so, would I need to buy anything extra or would the case come with what is needed?

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-iii/
OPTIONAL VERTICAL GPU KIT
O11DE-1X/1W
The O11D EVO Vertical GPU kit is compatible with LANCOOL III, offering adjustable clearance beneath the vertical GPU by installing it in different expansion slots.

 

[Weathered]

I still have not bought anything for my build yet. Get distracted with life and don't have much time to think about it.

PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p2YJQ6)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor | $427.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler | Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler | $64.98 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard | $225.00 @ Amazon
Memory | Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory | $139.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive | $219.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Kingston NV2 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive | $109.99 @ B&H
Video Card | XFX Speedster MERC 310 Black Edition Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24 GB Video Card | $1498.89 @ Amazon
Case | Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case | $89.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply | Corsair HX1200 Platinum 1200 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $234.99 @ Corsair
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $3011.81
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-12-31 16:08 EST-0500 |

Going back and forth on a few things and some of that I think will come down to being my decision on what I want to do and how much I am willing to spend. One is going with DDR5 or DDR4, still not sure if DDR5 is worth the extra money right now but one reason I "want" ddr5 is I don't build or upgrade every couple years and couple years down the road, I don't want to regret not going the DDR5 route now.

Second is the video card. I selected a 7900xtx, ideally I "want" a 4090. On pcpartpicker, the cheapest 4090 is $1799, the Asus TUF Gaming OC. I noticed that higher priced ones have a lower boost clock than the Asus. Besides price, what would be a reason to get a higher priced card?

This will mainly be a gaming rig besides the normal multitasking, web browsing, youtube, office programs. On the CPU, I selected the 17-13700k but also seen many say for a gaming rig, the 15-13600k is more than enough.

With the CPU cooler and ram I selected, would there be any clearance issues?

On the motherboard, will any lga1700 work with the i7-13700k? On amazon, it shows it as being 12th gen. Looked at several and they all say 12th gen. Or do I just need a bios update for it to work with 13th gen cpu's? Seen one review on amazon about the asus tuf gaming motherboard that you need a 12th gen cpu installed in order to update the bios to work with 13th gen cpu's.

Been looking at different cases. This may sound dumb. One thing I noticed is that some mid towers has the same dimensions as a full tower. Do mid towers have a size requirement like they can only go up to certain dimensions?

Would not mind getting the price down on this build to say around $2500 or even lower without sacrificing too much performance.

I really appreciate the help

 

[Why_Me]

@Weathered Intel is due to release their locked cpu's along with the B760 / H770 boards at the CES event which starts next week. btw that Corsair case you posted only has a single front intake fan.

Intel B760 Motherboards & 13th Gen Non-K CPUs To Launch on 3rd January, 2023

Intel will be launching its mainstream B760 motherboards and 13th Gen Non-K CPUs on the 3rd of January, just around CES 2023.

wccftech.com

https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-000Z-000A7
LIAN LI LANCOOL 216 X Mid Tower Case $99.90

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-rmx-series-rm1000x-cp-9020201-na-1000w/p/N82E16817139273
CORSAIR RMx Series (2021) RM1000x 1000W 80+ GOLD Modular Power Supply $189.99

B760 / H770 DDR5 ATX Motherboard $200+

Intel Core i7-13700F $370 if I had to guess

https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-AK620-High-Performance-Dual-Tower-Dissipation/dp/B09CSXS3X4
DeepCool AK620 Dual Tower CPU Cooler $64.99

https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb/p/N82E16820331839
Team T-Force Vulcan DDR5 5600 32GB (2x16GB) CL36 $134.99

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1710668-REG/crucial_ct2000p3pssd8_2tb_p3_plus_nvme.html
Crucial P3 Plus 2TB M.2 NVMe PCIe 4.0 Internal SSD $143.99

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-3dmark-performance-leaks-out
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12GB Graphics Card $800

Total: $2003.86

If for any reason you feel like you need more storage then look at an inexpensive SATA III SSD to add to that build.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Y5VDNT9
PNY CS900 1TB 2.5" SATA III Internal SSD $44.99

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lian-li-lancool-216-review

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nZhqlO8-ek

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykbhuv6yLBc

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_w0NbB84P0


Here's a pic of the MSI MAG B760 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4. There will also be a DDR5 version of this board.

 

[Why_Me]

If you want to squeeze more FPS from that build without having to change anything else such as the psu then I'd look at these changes.

Games favor lower latency RAM.

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374371
G.SKILL Ripjaws S5 Series DDR5 6000 32GB (2x16GB) CL32 $168.99

https://pcpartpicker.com/search/?q=RTX+4080

 

[Karadjgne]

I noticed that higher priced ones have a lower boost clock than the Asus. Besides price, what would be a reason to get a higher priced card?

Better temps. XFX historically have run warmer and louder when pushed to their power limits. You can't strictly go by the factory boost clocks because GPU Boost algorithms will push the card higher if there's voltage and thermal headroom. The more expensive series tend to have a higher degree of cooling ability, so the overall trend is higher clocks than what's given along with a better chance at better temps.

 

[Weathered]

@Weathered Intel is due to release their locked cpu's along with the B760 / H770 boards at the CES event which starts next week. btw that Corsair case you posted only has a single front intake fan.

Intel B760 Motherboards & 13th Gen Non-K CPUs To Launch on 3rd January, 2023

Intel will be launching its mainstream B760 motherboards and 13th Gen Non-K CPUs on the 3rd of January, just around CES 2023.

wccftech.com

https://www.newegg.com/p/2AM-000Z-000A7
LIAN LI LANCOOL 216 X Mid Tower Case $99.90

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-rmx-series-rm1000x-cp-9020201-na-1000w/p/N82E16817139273
CORSAIR RMx Series (2021) RM1000x 1000W 80+ GOLD Modular Power Supply $189.99

B760 / H770 DDR5 ATX Motherboard $200+

Intel Core i7-13700F $370 if I had to guess

https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-AK620-High-Performance-Dual-Tower-Dissipation/dp/B09CSXS3X4
DeepCool AK620 Dual Tower CPU Cooler $64.99

https://www.newegg.com/team-32gb/p/N82E16820331839
Team T-Force Vulcan DDR5 5600 32GB (2x16GB) CL36 $134.99

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1710668-REG/crucial_ct2000p3pssd8_2tb_p3_plus_nvme.html
Crucial P3 Plus 2TB M.2 NVMe PCIe 4.0 Internal SSD $143.99

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-3dmark-performance-leaks-out
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12GB Graphics Card $800

Total: $2003.86

If for any reason you feel like you need more storage then look at an inexpensive SATA III SSD to add to that build.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Y5VDNT9
PNY CS900 1TB 2.5" SATA III Internal SSD $44.99

https://lian-li.com/product/lancool-216/

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/lian-li-lancool-216-review

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nZhqlO8-ek

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykbhuv6yLBc

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_w0NbB84P0


Here's a pic of the MSI MAG B760 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4. There will also be a DDR5 version of this board.

What would be the advantage of going with an 760 or 770 board over a z690 or 790 board? Is the main difference between a 13700f and the 13700k the ability to overclock the 13700k? I really don't plan on overclocking but plans do change lol.

 

[Why_Me]

What would be the advantage of going with an 760 or 770 board over a z690 or 790 board? Is the main difference between a 13700f and the 13700k the ability to overclock the 13700k? I really don't plan on overclocking but plans do change lol.

You won't be oc a 13 gen i7 with anything less than a 360 AIO ... more like a 420 AIO tbh. These 13 gen cpu's are already pushed to their limits. The newer 7XX series DDR5 boards have better memory controllers along with a few other extras. If you want to run two M.2 PCIe SSD's then you want a Z790 or H770 board due to the fact those chipsets have more PCIe lanes than the B760 boards hence the price increase.

Here's an example of the locked 12 gen i7 vs the unlocked 12 gen i7. The difference is a whopping one fps.

Intel Core i7-12700 + Intel B660 Review

Today we have a combo review of all-new Intel hardware, our first look at the affordable Intel B660 platform, the non-K Core i7-12700 and Intel's latest box...

www.techspot.com

i7 12700 / 12700F gaming benchmarks.

 

[Why_Me]

One other thing ... if you do decide on a Nvidia RTX 4XXX card (Nvidia drivers ftw) and Corsair psu then I would highly recommend this down below.

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Accessories-|-Parts/PC-Components/Power-Supplies/600W-PCIe-5-0-12VHPWR-Type-4-PSU-Power-Cable/p/CP-8920284

Thanks to the scalpers it's all about ebay atm RE Corsair 600W PCIe 5.0 12VHPWR Type-4 Power Cable

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...air+600w+12vhpwr+cable&_osacat=0&LH_PrefLoc=2

 

[Weathered]

One other thing ... if you do decide on a Nvidia RTX 4XXX card (Nvidia drivers ftw) and Corsair psu then I would highly recommend this down below.

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Accessories-|-Parts/PC-Components/Power-Supplies/600W-PCIe-5-0-12VHPWR-Type-4-PSU-Power-Cable/p/CP-8920284

Thanks to the scalpers it's all about ebay atm RE Corsair 600W PCIe 5.0 12VHPWR Type-4 Power Cable

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...air+600w+12vhpwr+cable&_osacat=0&LH_PrefLoc=2

Not sure what the first link is, wouldn't allow me to open for some reason.

Would the PSU or GPU not come with the connector needed or is this something that is better?

I thought about getting 2 nvme drives, 1 for OS, games and programs and 2nd one for file storage. I realize I could easily get by with a 2.5 ssd for storage. So maybe I would be better off with a z690 or 790 board.

I will wait and see what happens with those locked cpu's. Whichever cpu I get, will most likely get a contact frame. I will check out that Lian Li case.

Guessing a 1000 watt psu is more than enough for a 7900xtx or a 4080? What about a 4090? Honestly though can't see myself going for the 4090 at the moment mainly because of price.

Decisions decisions decisions lol. I do tend to drive myself crazy when I do something like this.

Whatever I do, I will eventually sell my current rig minus the storage hdd. Thought about removing the nvme drive as well. Am kind of paranoid about data theft.

 

[Why_Me]

Not sure what the first link is, wouldn't allow me to open for some reason.

Would the PSU or GPU not come with the connector needed or is this something that is better?

I thought about getting 2 nvme drives, 1 for OS, games and programs and 2nd one for file storage. I realize I could easily get by with a 2.5 ssd for storage. So maybe I would be better off with a z690 or 790 board.

I will wait and see what happens with those locked cpu's. Whichever cpu I get, will most likely get a contact frame. I will check out that Lian Li case.

Guessing a 1000 watt psu is more than enough for a 7900xtx or a 4080? What about a 4090? Honestly though can't see myself going for the 4090 at the moment mainly because of price.

Decisions decisions decisions lol. I do tend to drive myself crazy when I do something like this.

Whatever I do, I will eventually sell my current rig minus the storage hdd. Thought about removing the nvme drive as well. Am kind of paranoid about data theft.

The 4090 would be a waste at 1440. A 850W psu will work for both of those cards I posted but 1000W gives you more headroom not mention it adds to the life of the psu when it isn't being pushed to the max. It's a hit or miss on if you get a decent adapter or not as far as the ones that come with the card. Just be careful on what AMD card you go with if you decide to go that route.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-responds-to-rx-7900-xtx-hotspot-fiasco

 

[Nighthawk117]

What would be the advantage of going with an 760 or 770 board over a z690 or 790 board? Is the main difference between a 13700f and the 13700k the ability to overclock the 13700k? I really don't plan on overclocking but plans do change lol.

A Z board and K chip also allow you to undervolt which can be worthwhile considering how hot these CPU's run out of the box.

 

[Karadjgne]

Last I knew there was no restrictions on 'undervolting' only on 'overclocking ' the cpu by adding to the multiplier.

When compared to the higher grade B/H boards the ability to OC becomes the only real advantage as such, if you want to call it an advantage. The reason for OC is effectively dead, only leaving any wants.

 

[Weathered]

I made a few changes. Nothing is set in stone at all. Since there are supposed to be new cpu's being released soon, I may see what that brings. Not sure if it will affect current cpu prices.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor | $424.00 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler | Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler | $56.57 @ Amazon
Motherboard | Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard | $225.00 @ Amazon
Memory | Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory | $139.99 @ Amazon
Storage | PNY CS900 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $94.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Crucial P3 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive | $124.99 @ B&H
Video Card | Gigabyte AERO OC GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card | $1299.99 @ Newegg
Case | Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case | $99.90 @ Newegg Sellers
Power Supply | Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $189.99 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $2655.42
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-01-01 09:00 EST-0500 |

On the cpu cooler, how is the deepcool compare to the noctua nh-d15?

About the motherboard and the cpu, is there any merit to a review saying need a 12th gen cpu installed in order to update the bios to work with 13th gen cpu's? Am I wrong or can't you always get to bios unless a motherboard is bad? And can't you update the bios from inside the bios or not? Don't think I ever had to update bios before so not really sure on this.

With the Team T-Force or G Skill memory, would there be any clearance issues with the large air cooler?

I added a 2nd 2.5" SSD for storage. I was going, and who knows still might, for a 2nd nvme for storage but they are more expensive. Even with the 2.5" ssd, that wil be an improvement since I am still using an HDD for file storage currently.

For the gpu, I selected a 4080. I thought Gigabyte stopped making video cards or do they still have some left over from when they did? I know according to the benchmark by techpowerup, the 4080 is a little slower but not by much. Nothing against AMD but I have always been an nvidia person. Still not ruled out a 4090 but the price will have to come down before I go that way. I realize a 4090 maybe a waste at 1440p but I may eventually upgrade to 4k down the road, just not sure how far down the road. I know the 4090's had issues with connectors melting, did the 4080's have the same issues? I don't recall seeing anything about the 4080's having that issue.

I went with the Lian Li 216 case. I usually go full tower but seems many mid towers are pretty close to the same size as full towers. I think I selected the non rgb version, I am the type that doesn't need all that rgb. If it has it, then fine but also fine if it doesn't, not going out of my way to make sure it does. Kind of a little rant about pcpartpicker but when looking at cases there, some cases don't list dimensions, not sure why that is. I know I can just click on a site that is selling that case and find dimensions there. But just seems strange some are not listed on pcp.

Thanks for all the help so far.

 

[Why_Me]

@Weathered

500GB SSD for your O/S and 2TB SSD for storage is pretty much the standard for peeps who run dual SSD's.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vP...b-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct500p3pssd8

As far as choice of RAM manufactures ... go with whatever RAM is low profile and best price so you don't have clearance issues. Both G.Skill and the T-force RAM are SK hynix modules if that helps. If you decide on DDR5 then I'd go with a newer 7XX series board .. if going with DDR4 then the older 6XX series boards works fine.

Now the choice of cpu. For that unlocked i7 I would look at the Noctua NH-15 or better yet a 360 AIO to help avoid thermal throttling. I'll show you why I push for the locked cpu's so much on here and other boards. These 13 gen cpu's are pushed to the max out of the box.

i7 13700K / 13700KF

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-40-ghz/specifications.html
Processor Base Power: 125W
Maximum Turbo Power: 253W

i7 13700 / 13700F

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/core-i7-13700.c2957
Processor Base Power: 65W
Maximum Turbo Power / PL2: 219W

i7 12700K / 12700KF

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-25m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz/specifications.html
Processor Base Power: 125W
Maximum Turbo Power: 190W

i7 12700 / 12700F

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...12700-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html
Processor Base Power: 65W
Maximum Turbo Power: 180W

 

[Karadjgne]

The Deepcool is close enough in ability, but costs considerably less. Noctua was the Gold Standard for years, only because they did the R&D to make sure they had a winning combo between fan and heatsink ratios, but over time, others have copied, swiped, got a clue, and started picking up on what Noctua has done, so you'll see cheaper versions that are almost as good, but are too new to really tell if they are of similar quality and longetivity.

A year ago ± saw the release of 12thGen on a new platform, there were no 13thGen. So every bios made for every mobo vendor had only 12thGen cpu info. And then 13thGen was released. Vendors now have a choice. Stick to only 12thGen bios and lose out on sales to competitors that include 13thGen cpus in the bios, or upgrade their bios implant to include 13thGen cpus.

Pretty much nobody stays only 12thGen. As of the release of 13thGen, every mobo vendor includes a 13thGen compatible bios on every mobo manufactured. Pretty much most sales vendors like Amazon have long since sold out any older stock, the only mobo's they carry now are newly manufactured, so will include a 13thGen bios. However, it's still possible to get a used mobo on eBay or one from a mom&pop store that's been collecting dust on a back shelf, so those likely will not be 13thGen compliant bios.

The reason for the 'maybe need to upgrade the bios' warning. You'll find that warning on any 1st release socket Intel mobo. So when 15thGen hits, all 14thGen mobo's will have a similar warning, being a 1st release socket.

 

[Weathered]

@Weathered

500GB SSD for your O/S and 2TB SSD for storage is pretty much the standard for peeps who run dual SSD's.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vP...b-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ct500p3pssd8

As far as choice of RAM manufactures ... go with whatever RAM is low profile and best price so you don't have clearance issues. Both G.Skill and the T-force RAM are SK hynix modules if that helps. If you decide on DDR5 then I'd go with a newer 7XX series board .. if going with DDR4 then the older 6XX series boards works fine.

Now the choice of cpu. For that unlocked i7 I would look at the Noctua NH-15 or better yet a 360 AIO to help avoid thermal throttling. I'll show you why I push for the locked cpu's so much on here and other boards. These 13 gen cpu's are pushed to the max out of the box.

i7 13700K / 13700KF

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-40-ghz/specifications.html
Processor Base Power: 125W
Maximum Turbo Power: 253W

i7 13700 / 13700F

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/core-i7-13700.c2957
Processor Base Power: 65W
Maximum Turbo Power / PL2: 219W

i7 12700K / 12700KF

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-25m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz/specifications.html
Processor Base Power: 125W
Maximum Turbo Power: 190W

i7 12700 / 12700F

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...12700-processor-25m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html
Processor Base Power: 65W
Maximum Turbo Power: 180W

I seen many say that the deepcool is pretty close to the noctua. I realize I would probably be better off with an AIO but I just can't bring myself to do that. I don't like the idea of liquid near all the pc parts, not one bit. I realize that unless something changes with how cpu's are made, that in the future if you want to have a higher end cpu, that an AIO could be a must have.

Ty for the info about cpu's.

The Deepcool is close enough in ability, but costs considerably less. Noctua was the Gold Standard for years, only because they did the R&D to make sure they had a winning combo between fan and heatsink ratios, but over time, others have copied, swiped, got a clue, and started picking up on what Noctua has done, so you'll see cheaper versions that are almost as good, but are too new to really tell if they are of similar quality and longetivity.

A year ago ± saw the release of 12thGen on a new platform, there were no 13thGen. So every bios made for every mobo vendor had only 12thGen cpu info. And then 13thGen was released. Vendors now have a choice. Stick to only 12thGen bios and lose out on sales to competitors that include 13thGen cpus in the bios, or upgrade their bios implant to include 13thGen cpus. I guess I have one thing that helps with having air and that is I keep my room between 60 and 70 degreees F.

Pretty much nobody stays only 12thGen. As of the release of 13thGen, every mobo vendor includes a 13thGen compatible bios on every mobo manufactured. Pretty much most sales vendors like Amazon have long since sold out any older stock, the only mobo's they carry now are newly manufactured, so will include a 13thGen bios. However, it's still possible to get a used mobo on eBay or one from a mom&pop store that's been collecting dust on a back shelf, so those likely will not be 13thGen compliant bios.

The reason for the 'maybe need to upgrade the bios' warning. You'll find that warning on any 1st release socket Intel mobo. So when 15thGen hits, all 14thGen mobo's will have a similar warning, being a 1st release socket.

So what happens if I get a board with a bios that is not 13th gen ready?

 

[Karadjgne]

I don't like the idea of liquid near all the pc parts, not one bit.

You do realize that the liquid used in either aios or full custom loops is electrically non-conductive. Ppl freak out over a leak that literally will not harm electrically the pc, just can make a mess if excessive or create havoc if dumped into a fan motor and displacing the lubricant. What most don't think about is that a full custom loop on its first startup and possibly further startups Always leaks, if it doesn't, it's a fluke.

So what happens if I get a board with a bios that is not 13th gen ready?

You take it to a shop, like Best Buy or Microcenter or even a mom&pop store and for a minimal fee they'll upgrade the bios for you, or in many cases the board can upgrade itself (Bios Flashback button) without even requiring a cpu be present, just need a USB stick with the correct bios file installed on it.

 

[Weathered]

You do realize that the liquid used in either aios or full custom loops is electrically non-conductive. Ppl freak out over a leak that literally will not harm electrically the pc, just can make a mess if excessive or create havoc if dumped into a fan motor and displacing the lubricant. What most don't think about is that a full custom loop on its first startup and possibly further startups Always leaks, if it doesn't, it's a fluke.

You take it to a shop, like Best Buy or Microcenter or even a mom&pop store and for a minimal fee they'll upgrade the bios for you, or in many cases the board can upgrade itself (Bios Flashback button) without even requiring a cpu be present, just need a USB stick with the correct bios file installed on it.

If that really is the case with AIO's, why is it I seen many talking about manufacturers or AIO's offering a warranty that will cover other equipment if something happens because of a leak?

 

[Karadjgne]

Because once a leak happens, whether ruined or not, it's always in the mind of the owner that it's going to fail because of that leak, and if/when it does fail, the aio company doesn't want reddit or youtube viral videos destroying any good reputation the company does have by ppls claims. It's far cheaper and better to offer replacement, and the good will that goes along with that, than it does to argue or deny the claim and suffer the resultant bad publicity.

If an aio leaked on a rtx4090, that's a $1600 replacement. One viral leak video could cost the company $millions in lost revenue to the competition.

I built a pc for a client years ago, back when the internet was just really getting started and AOL and Yahoo were the big things. Had a Corsair H100, not the rubber tubing, but flexible corrugated plastic. Couple months later, a tube split, spraying coolant over the entire inside of the pc, soaked everything.

As the builder, it was covered under the company warranty, but a call was put to Corsair as well. They asked for the cost of the build and fees, complete to include the case even. Then cut a check to the company in full a few weeks later once they got the pictures. No argument.

Now ask yourself if you'd buy a Corsair AIO or trust to a much cheaper Raijintek with unknown customer service and warranty.

 

[Weathered]

Because once a leak happens, whether ruined or not, it's always in the mind of the owner that it's going to fail because of that leak, and if/when it does fail, the aio company doesn't want reddit or youtube viral videos destroying any good reputation the company does have by ppls claims. It's far cheaper and better to offer replacement, and the good will that goes along with that, than it does to argue or deny the claim and suffer the resultant bad publicity.

If an aio leaked on a rtx4090, that's a $1600 replacement. One viral leak video could cost the company $millions in lost revenue to the competition.

I built a pc for a client years ago, back when the internet was just really getting started and AOL and Yahoo were the big things. Had a Corsair H100, not the rubber tubing, but flexible corrugated plastic. Couple months later, a tube split, spraying coolant over the entire inside of the pc, soaked everything.

As the builder, it was covered under the company warranty, but a call was put to Corsair as well. They asked for the cost of the build and fees, complete to include the case even. Then cut a check to the company in full a few weeks later once they got the pictures. No argument.

Now ask yourself if you'd buy a Corsair AIO or trust to a much cheaper Raijintek with unknown customer service and warranty.

Good point, didn't think about that. Think I still prefer to stick with air.

I made a few changes to the build. For the cpu cooler, pcpartpicker says it may require a separate mounting adapter to fit the motherboard I selected. How do I know for sure if I need to buy that separate or not?

Does the motherboard have bluetooth? I know it has wifi but didn't see anything about bluetooth so maybe doesn't have it?

Has the new locked cpu's been released yet? I have not seen anything about them.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
CPU | Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor | $427.98 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler | Deepcool AK620 68.99 CFM CPU Cooler | $68.79 @ Amazon
Motherboard | MSI PRO Z790-P WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard | $239.99 @ B&H
Memory | Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory | $139.99 @ Amazon
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive | $129.99 @ Adorama
Storage | PNY CS900 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive | $113.99 @ Newegg
Video Card | Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4080 16 GB Video Card | $1199.99 @ ASUS
Case | Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case | $99.90 @ Newegg Sellers
Power Supply | Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply | $189.99 @ Amazon
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts |
| Total | $2610.61
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-01-03 19:20 EST-0500 |

 

[Kona45primo]

Might want to consider new chips should be announced at CES. Including AMD's next line of X3D. Could be a great buy as you'll get at least until 2025 for new generations in the AM5 platform whereas Intel is ready for a new platform potentially. For gaming I'm assuming it should be quite competitive.

If course it'll be a minute before it goes on sale.

 

[Why_Me]

These cpu's down below were just released today. The non F version of the cpu's means it comes with integrated graphics.

https://www.techpowerup.com/302937/...ced-13th-gen-core-desktop-processors-with-65w

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-13700f-core-i7-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118428
Intel Core i7-13700F $379.99

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-13700-core-i7-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118427
Intel Core i7-13700 $409.99

This gpu was just released today so the reviews on it should start showing up on sites such as this one within the next few days. This gpu should tear it up at 1440P as in RTX 3090 / 3090 Ti style if the leaked benches prove to be true. You can easily run that card with an 850W psu.

https://www.techpowerup.com/302975/...usd-799-with-performance-matching-rtx-3090-ti
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12GB Graphics Card $800+

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-rmx-series-rm850x-cp-9020200-na-850w/p/N82E16817139272
CORSAIR RMx Series (2021) RM850x 850W 80+ GOLD Modular Power Supply $139.97

If you plan on running dual M.2 SSD's then look for a board that comes with two M.2 heatsinks.

I'll use this board for an example. It retails for $270.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z790-A-WIFI

And if you go with a locked cpu then look at the Asus Tuf Gaming H770 WIFI for $250. The B760 / H770 boards just started showing up today on Newegg and they'll continue to show up on there every other day or so.

 

[Karadjgne]

pcpartpicker says it may require a separate mounting adapter to fit the motherboard I selected. How do I know for sure if I need to buy that separate or not?

For the last 10 years or so, every cooler came with 2x adapter plates. One for Amd which fits AM3+, AM2, FM2 etc and one for Intel that fits LGA1156-LGA1200. The sockets changed, the cpus changed, but the mounting holes did not.

Then AMD changed that with AM4, so cooler manufacturers now needed to start including 2x AMD, and 1x Intel plates. Then Intel jumped on the 'let's change things' bandwagon with LGA1700. So now there's 2x Amd and 2x Intel plates.

And pcpartpicker.com has absolutely no idea which year cooler you'd get. The Noctua NH-D15 has been around since 2014, long before any changes, so it's possible to still get an original release, brand new (very dusty from sitting for 8 years).

So you'll find that unless you buy a specific designed cooler, such as a NH-D15-AM4, you are going to see a lot of disclaimers on maybe needing extra brackets.

There's no guarantee, and no way to tell, there's only hope that if buying from a big chain, with high volume sales, like Amazon, that they have run out of old stock so many times that the only stock they can get is brand new from the factory, that'll include all 4 mounting capability.

 

[Weathered]

These cpu's down below were just released today. The non F version of the cpu's means it comes with integrated graphics.

https://www.techpowerup.com/302937/...ced-13th-gen-core-desktop-processors-with-65w

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-13700f-core-i7-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118428
Intel Core i7-13700F $379.99

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i7-13700-core-i7-13th-gen/p/N82E16819118427
Intel Core i7-13700 $409.99

This gpu was just released today so the reviews on it should start showing up on sites such as this one within the next few days. This gpu should tear it up at 1440P as in RTX 3090 / 3090 Ti style if the leaked benches prove to be true. You can easily run that card with an 850W psu.

https://www.techpowerup.com/302975/...usd-799-with-performance-matching-rtx-3090-ti
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12GB Graphics Card $800+

https://www.newegg.com/corsair-rmx-series-rm850x-cp-9020200-na-850w/p/N82E16817139272
CORSAIR RMx Series (2021) RM850x 850W 80+ GOLD Modular Power Supply $139.97

If you plan on running dual M.2 SSD's then look for a board that comes with two M.2 heatsinks.

I'll use this board for an example. It retails for $270.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z790-A-WIFI

And if you go with a locked cpu then look at the Asus Tuf Gaming H770 WIFI for $250. The B760 / H770 boards just started showing up today on Newegg and they'll continue to show up on there every other day or so.

Right now I am leaning towards staying with the k version as long as I would not have any issues cooling it on air. Will see what reviews say about it. If I understand it right, the only real differences is the base frequency, price and the ability to overclock and under/over volt on the k series?

For the gpu, it seems if I want the Asus 4080 for $1200, I need to jump on it pretty quick. Several sites are out of stock, only amazon has it in stock for $1649. Will see how the 4070ti compares to the 4080. Geez these prices are crazy lol. Whatever I get, I want to make sure it is a good upgrade over the 1080ti

At the moment, I plan on running 1 nvme and 1 2.5 ssd. Still thinking about going with 2 nvme drives. Hard to believe the speed difference between a 2.5 ssd and a nvme drive like the samsung 980. I realize having 2 nvme drives maybe overkill unless I was doing lots of large file transfers which I don't.

In my last build, I selected the P version of that msi motherboard? Does that have 2 M.2 heatsinks?