Gaming Rig and Monitor around $2k

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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/302Ti

Approximate Purchase Date: this week or next

Budget Range: $2k (less if possible) with monitor

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, surfing, home video editing, watching movies/youtube

Are you buying a monitor: Yes

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Location: City, State/Region, Country - Albuquerque, NM

Parts Preferences: Have used both Intel and AMD but chose Intel for this build.

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Additional Comments: I am flexible on parts. I chose the monitor since it had very good reviews and I appreciate a good display with excellent response and refresh rates.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: Laptop is on its way out and I want to build a good rig that will last several years.

 
I wouldn't rush a PC build. I never purchase parts for a new Gaming PC without pricing the parts for two years. And during the two years I collect as many articles and benchmarks about each part. (And I especially pretend that I bought something and try and prove that there is something better. Most $1,000 parts can be obtained for less than $400 within two years when considering the normal drop in price in the 1st two years after the release of a new product combined with finding a big one time sale.)

What has changed recently is, that with the best PC parts from over three years ago, and the best current Video Card(s), you can have an unbelievably well performing Gaming PC. It used to not be that way and you needed to invest in BOTH, the best PC, and best Video card(s). So, with that said, all you need is a three year old state of the art used PC (MOBO, CPU and RAM) and the Best Video Card(s) you can get your hands on.

And the prices of the Latest greatest Video cards are dirt cheap now! :)

Invest around $400 in an old used PC that works. One that was state of the art originally; my PC is a great example. And invest the remaining $1,600 in a G-SYNC LCD and a GTX780 video card.

What is G-Sync?

G-Sync technology makes it possible to synchronize the FPS of the game your playing with the refresh rate of the LCD. So rather than having an LCD that always runs at 60Hz, 120Hz or 144Hz, it runs (synchronized) so that the Hz are the same as the FPS of the game your playing. And so far, the G-Sync LCDs are all 144Hz. They will come in 1080p and 1440p. (actually they are going to be released shortly.) But that aside, the smoothness of game play can't be topped. They will be TN LCD panels but they will be the best TN LCD Panels. And if you don't invest in G-Sync, and get something else instead, and then put it next to a friend's PC that IS G-Sync... well you WILL, be sorry. :)

GL
 
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/30pp4

I added in a SSD that went on special today. I changed the mobo as suggested. I also changed the gpu to an evga unit and am considering the g-sync as Bee-Dee posted. I see that the monitor is a little over $500 shipped to me with the g-sync module installed. Mojo - I added back in 4x4gb of ram since I just wanted to be done with it now instead of doing it again later. Overkill for me at this point, maybe. I know what you'll say, "it's your money to spend."

Any other feedback?

Does the case look ok for what I'm doing?
 


i might go for a $500 G-Sync LCD right away. Usually i wait for 2nd generation stuff because it's cheaper and better. (For example LED IPS, i bet, for 2nd generation G-Sync. Versus TN LCD panels now. But they are the best TN panels and a Gaming LCD doesn't need to have all the perks of an IPS LED.)

But, i kind of have my heart set on a 1440p G-Sync (144Hz) LCD. Because i've wanted an LCD with higher resolution for over two years. (I've had 1920x1200 and 60Hz for over five years.) And i've wanted an LCD with higher Hz, for over a year. And the G-Sync sounds perfect and has both higher resolution and Hz. But the 1440p G-Sync LCDs will be way more than $500. So waiting could result in much better and much cheaper. So a $500 1080P G-Sync may have to do for me if i can't wait... and i can't... WAIT! 😉

And i just checked Ebay for Socket LGA1366 stuff. (The type of PC i use now and built three years ago.) The CPUs are only $45 and maybe less if u searched. And LGA1366 MOBOs are just $75. LGA1366 Triple channel (12GB) RAM is only $65. Total=$180 for CPU, MOBO and RAM. Your set-up is $210+$170+$160= $540. Difference=$360.

The only reason I still recommend LGA1366; besides the cheap price and high performance of Video games IF you have the newest Video card; is especially because the next generation of i5-4670K (Haswell), are going to be awesome. Mostly because the size will be greatly reduced but also because the true power of the Haswell line of CPUs will be reached with newer technology in it. Remember, i always research future technology while pricing current technology and i weigh the difference in performance and divide by price. And guess wat an LGA1366 system with the latest Video card technology, versus the current Haswell with the same video card, will get you?

the difference in FPS is null. Maybe 10%. And when you're talking a game that runs 75 FPS that equals just 7 FPS. So that's just 68FPS versus 75FPS. NULL! (Spend on the Video cards now available because they have reach enormous lows. And can't get any lower. Really!)

So why not search for technology that will be released later this year and start pricing it? Use LGA1366 in the meantime and don't be upset when the 2nd generation Haswell is out shortly. (Just take note the highest price it sells for and monitor, the drop in price, over time. It is actually very rewarding when u not only get a great price, but by that time u also discover the all around truly best and proven best over time Hardware, too.) And when it becomes affordable in 2015 get it then. And in the meantime suffer with just a mere 7 FPS less in a game that could run 75 FPS; but using LGA1366 for a mere $180 for MOBO, CPU and RAM; runs 68 FPS. After all, when the LGA1366 was released it was considered the biggest best breakthrough ever in PC Gaming rigs due to it having the first Triple Channel Memory ever. (The $75 LGA1366 MOBO i found on Ebay was an ASUS that originally sold for over $300. It STILL ROCKS with the best Video card in it. Because, the Video card is the bottleneck in all games out now and for the past few years. NOT the CPU; like back when Crysis was first released and ur CPU mattered as much if not even more as ur Video card. )

Oh, and that reminds me. The 2nd generation Haswell will implement Quad-Channel Memory! (The first Quad channel Memory in a gaming rig will ROCK!) So wait for it, save ur money up, research like crazy and get the best for the cheapest. Don't get the best for the money now. It will be old so fast you won't believe it. And u can't notice 7 FPS difference (68FPS) in a game that could run 75 FPS on a Haswell . Never purchase current technology without researching it for many months if not two years. (The only exceptions to the rule are things like G-Sync. But only if it is a single exception. I am a master of doing some of the most complex permutations imaginable; ten years before before i ever used a PC 16 years ago.)

The best price i ever got was a State of Art CPU for $250. (AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ Toledo 2.4GHz ADA4800DAA6CD. Took me 10 seconds to find the folder on my PC with that name and to copy and paste it.) 😉 And just two years before i bought it, it sold for an unbelievable $1,100. :) I used that CPU on a gaming rig for over 3 years and then it ran my HTPC for 4 years. Just last Football season it finally got put on the shelf as a backup. Because the PC it was in didn't have enough memory to simultaneously record multiple (4) HDTV channels. But my old Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache 65W... does now! lol :)

GL (think i've said enough for now.) 😉
 


Not in the slightest!! A GTX 780 runs around the $500 range, and the GTX 780TI can skyrocket upwards of $700, and even slightly older cards like the Radeon 7970 GHz edition are getting huge price bumps because of interest in coin mining.

Invest around $400 in an old used PC that works. One that was state of the art originally; my PC is a great example. And invest the remaining $1,600 in a G-SYNC LCD and a GTX780 video card.

Wait - you're seriously suggesting a $400 PC and a $1600 monitor? What advantages are you going to gain from that?

And i just checked Ebay for Socket LGA1366 stuff. (The type of PC i use now and built three years ago.) The CPUs are only $45 and maybe less if u searched. And LGA1366 MOBOs are just $75. LGA1366 Triple channel (12GB) RAM is only $65. Total=$180 for CPU, MOBO and RAM. Your set-up is $210+$170+$160= $540. Difference=$360.

OK why would you spend any kind of money at all on five year old hardware to play current games like Bioshock Infinite, MW: Ghosts, or BF4 on? You will slow to a crawl playing on any kind of high or ultra high settings. You might as well go with an AMD A10 and use onboard graphics. :no:

This is what you should be doing:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake Water 3.0 Extreme 99.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($158.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ Vector 150 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($695.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower Case ($127.72 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: NZXT HALE90 V2 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($168.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($23.52 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1818.65
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-02-26 13:10 EST-0500)

Then you can add whatever monitor, keyboard, and mouse you want.
 
Yes, one more thing, a little reiteration and another new thing:

Plan on waiting until 2015 for 2nd generation GTX800 series video cards (Maxwell). Until then just be satisfied with a single GTX770 or single GTX780 or eventually two of one of them for SLI, if the price is right. Because the 2nd gen Maxwell will be the only ones to buy, and NOT the 1st gen Maxwell. 1st gen Maxwell won't have the smallest dye size and the smaller dye Maxwells (2nd gen) will be amazing and a much better way to spend ur money. (unless u print it of course and then it don't matter.lol) They (2nd gen Maxwell) just won't be out until 2015... or so it seems it is a safe bet that they (1st gen Maxwell) won't have the smaller dye. Sry, it is complicated, but only by clearing-up complicated things can u truly see a clear picture, right? 😉

Do what it takes to go G-Syc. U WILL be sorry if u don't. Don't find urself stuck with an LCD that doesn't have it or is not upgradable. :)

And remember to always use long-term purchasing strats. Plus if u imagine buying a part before u actually buy it; then google the hek out of said part and read articles like crazy about it; 9 out of 10 times u can avoid purchasing something and having to say later, "oh how i wish i'd bought XYZ instead". 😉

GL :)

 
I didnt read the whole thing but it feels like people are saying to get a g sync monitor and no matter what hardware. What will a g sync do with crap hardware? Run at 10Hz? I seriously put other hardware before monitor. and for that budget, I dont recommend a gsync monitor. A good IPS LED 1080p will do just fine.
Also, in 2015 when new hardware is released, will you be recommending to wait till 2016? Because new hardware will not cease to come in market.
You find a good second hand 780Ti, grab it. You find a working 590, I would advise against it. I dont recommend older (more than 3 years) hardware for today's builds.
Here's what i recommend and it wont put lines of regret on your forehad-
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/311xh
Throw whatever you want at it.
 
G-Sync is all about Gaming and this PC like most is for Gaming. Basically, a G-Sync Gaming rig will allow ur gaming experience to go beyond anything imaginable when it comes to smooth play. It won't make u play better or give u an advantage over other ppl, but it will make the experience more enjoyable than anything before.

TomsHardware has articles on G-Sync that are very good, but http://www.blurbusters.com/, also has some great info on it.

Miss the G-Sync Boast and u'll be sorry. Understanding wat it is is not an easy task. But it can be done! 😉

i guess is that the best way to put it is:

G-Sync= Refresh-Rate and FPS are synchronized!

IDK if that simple an explanation does anything as far as getting it. I think when i 1st heard that i didn't get it without further explanation. The problem is understanding that a Refresh-Rate can vary with the right Hardware added to the inside of the LCD by the manufacturer or with an upgrade kit u can purchase and use on a few specific models.
 

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