GeForce GTX 1080 Ti At 2.5 GHz+: Overclocking On Air, Water, And LN2

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blppt

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Probably the EVGA FTW3 ELITE GAMING or Kingpin model (also perpetually unavailable). Thats all I can think of off the top of my head.
 

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I wonder if anyone has tried a closed loop LN2 circuit. Would keep it from changing state from liquid to gas. Downside being it would take a butt-ton of equipment.
 

TJ Hooker

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@reimanrules pretty sure PCA = printed circuit assembly

@Defekter_Engel it's the boiling (i.e. changing state from liquid to gas) of the LN2 that keeps it cold. Also, trying to keep it liquid would result in extreme pressure building up.
 

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Vanilla 1080ti’s get to 2050mhz under air, and 2050-2100mhz under water. I’ve read reviews of lots of top of the line 1080ti’s and have yet to see any cards improve on stock performance. Unless the acoustics of the cooling solution are superior there is absolutely no benefit to any of these high end cards. GP102 is the undisputed king of GPU’s, but it doesn’t appear to benefit at all from enhanced power delivery systems. Not worth spending any money on them.
 

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Wouldn't work. Liquid nitrogen is only cold when it is allowed to evaporate. In a closed loop it actually wouldn't be cold anymore at all - it would simply be at room temperature but with 2200 psi of pressure. Water is far more effective at transferring heat than liquefied (under pressure) nitrogen gas.

 

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Evaporation is endothermic.

Condensation is exothermic.

Staying the same is thermally neutral.

Condensing room temperature nitrogen gas to liquid would be an exothermic phase change. (This is what you pay for when buying LN2. Nitrogen gas itself is quite literally all around you, although with some "impurities" like oxygen.)

Pouring your liquid LN2 into an area with standard atmospheric pressure allows the liquid to evaporate and expand.

The ideal gas law states that when a gas expands it also becomes cooler.

On the opposing side when a gas is compressed it becomes hotter.
(This heat is what supplies our sun with the temperatures necessary for nuclear fusion.)
 

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My 1080 FTW died twice in 10 months... these were two brand new cards. Hell no, EVGA PCB quality is far from MSI.

 

derekullo

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If you want to talk theory then you want a liquid with a super high specific heat or heat capacity that is also liquid at common temperatures to avoid having to deal with internal pressure.

When talking about closed loops you always need a radiator or some device to remove heat from the system.

LN2 in the conventional sense does not need a radiator due to it achieving its heat removing properties by evaporation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_capacity#Table_of_specific_heat_capacities
https://www.aiche.org/resources/publications/cep/2015/september/cool-down-liquid-nitrogen


Specific heat is the ability of a material to store thermal energy

Water: 4.18

Ammonia: 4.7

Hydrogen gas: 14.3

Liquid Nitrogen: 1.08 at 1 atmospheric pressure

Technically Ammonia has a higher heat capacity than water, but due to ammonia boiling at −33.34 °C you would need to keep the temperature of your closed loop below that which is achievable.

The issue with ammonia comes with ammonia's acidity slowly corroding most metals along with its toxicity to most forms of life.

Depending on how much ammonia is in your loop it could be highly hazardous if your house were to lose power and your loop was unable to sustain the pressure of all the ammonia flashing to gas.

Hence why consumers don't use ammonia for cooling.
(Industry might for some obscure purpose, but other chemicals are much safer)

As for hydrogen:
It requires a massive amount of energy to make it a liquid, -252°C or 21 kelvin.

This means super insulting your pipes as well.
We can't have room temperature air causing convection/conduction to occur against our 21 kelvin pipes.

On top of that any leaks you might have require the evacuation of the neighborhood.

I couldn't find the specific heat of liquid hydrogen, but it's best to not try to find it lol.


Now we full circle back to liquid nitrogen;

Cooling nitrogen to its liquid state, -196 °C or 63 Kelvin, requires a lot of energy.

We again need to super insulate the pipes against heat transfer.

Liquid nitrogen also has a specific heat 1/4 that of water.

This means that it will heat up much faster than water causing your radiator to work even harder to cool it back down to a liquid state.

You can make a closed liquid nitrogen loop with a highly specialized radiator such as one implementing a peltier heat pump, but the thermal properties of liquid nitrogen make it highly inefficient.

This makes liquid nitrogen only suitable for short term record-breaking through its heat transfer through evaporation

 

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"My 1080 FTW died twice in 10 months... these were two brand new cards. Hell no, EVGA PCB quality is far from MSI."

And I've never had any EVGA card fail on me, and I've bought various models going back to the GTX280. Like with anything, YMMV.
 

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Did you ever study any physics? Does Boyle's law and the ideal gas law make any sense to you? If you think the typical water cooling plastic loop going to contain all that LN2, good luck, hopefully the stuff doesn't explode into shrapnel. BTW for reference, even the steel tanks for holding LN2 have escape/relief valves, and it is actually constantly losing N2 to the atmosphere as they boil off, and if they didn't you have a explosive bomb.
 

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Well, you said it yourself: the benefit of higher end cards are the cooling solutions. This allows for less noise and less (to zero) throttling from high temps, which absolutely affects performance. The FE editions have been shown time and again to run hot, noisy and throttle as a result.

I bought an Aorus 1080 Ti Xtreme for several reasons:
1) The Windforce system which has an excellent performance history
2) A 4-year full warranty after registration- one year more than anyone else and twice the length of some (like Zotac's 2 yr)
3) Has a very aggressive but stable factory OC
4) It has RGB lighting and a nice backplate
5) Came with a $50 AAA title - not all did at the time.

Well worth the extra $50 (was $749 when I bought it) over vanilla for all the extras. I felt this card was the best value out there, all things considered.
 

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If you want to talk theory...

TL;DR

First of all, you're showing off. No one likes that, ever.

Secondly, remind me to run if I ever get stuck next to you at the dinner table.
 

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Asking the right questions, i hate when articles throw empty phrases like this. If there was a reason why author decided to state that "only one or two other models can measure up to its design" then how difficult was it to tell us exactly which ones?

Or maybe MSI wouldnt be satisfied when other products would be advertised in their "sponsored?" article. Or maybe author simply made it up and there is nothing special about Lighting Z and he simply wanted to butter it up.

 

numach

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Interesting... but so incredibly impractical, lol. The older I get the more I ask "why?". Still cool to see people test like this though.
 

deesider

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A closed-loop cooling system that uses an evaporating gas to cool and a condenser to reform the liquid - it's called a 'refrigerator'.
 

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I've had 4 Asus Strix 1080ti OC cards. All got pretty much the same as your clocks on water while running on air. No mods, not even changing the TIM
 
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