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It's funny you should mention the Dell Latitude because I still have my old Dell Latitude C610 with a Pentium-III in it. It was made in 2001 and still works although it's physically falling apart so I use it for my magic jack.

Honestly, I don't really think that there is such a thing as a "business laptop" anymore. I mean, laptops have become not so application-oriented anymore with the exception of gaming laptops. I think that this is because with the exception of high-graphics requirements of games (and video encoding), software has fallen far behind hardware as far as advancement is concerned. Software has become stagnant and business applications are the perfect example of that. For instance, my old Dell Laptop which originally came with Win2000 (I replaced it with XP Pro) can run MS-Office 2007 with no problems. Business applications are primarily text-based and haven't changed much in the last 15 years. MS-Word, for instance, still looks more or less the same today as it did on Windows 95. I can do (and did) an entire powerpoint presentation for University on my eMachines E620 which only has an AMD Athlon 64 2650e running at 1.6GHz with a primitive ATi Radeon X1200 GPU. You can read the rest of the specs earlier on in this thread. That ThinkPad T510 would be a real waste of money because for business apps, you would never notice a difference between the performance of that machine and that of a cheap laptop costing only $500. Business laptops today sometimes have special security features like facial recognition (which has a rather dubious track record) or the fingerprint scanner. If you expect to have a ton of sensitive information on the laptop, it may be worth it but for most situations, it's one of those bells and whistles that few people ever actually use. Honestly, I don't think I could be bothered with it. Now, if you're going to be doing office presentations in HD on a projector and want to use HDMI, then of course you'd get a laptop with an HDMI output. In most cases though, a powerpoint presentation is not done in HD and probably never will be because the whole concept of the powerpoint presentation is to get an idea across and HD doesn't really help in that unless you're trying to sell a graphics engine in which case, it's a gaming laptop that you'd want. Some people feel that in business, the type of laptop you carry affects how people perceive you (As stupid as that is, I can see that being true). If you want to look successful, you have to have an expensive laptop just as you need an expensive suit, car or watch. In recent times however, I think that the way you are perceived in a business environment would be aided by a no-nonsense approach that isn't wasteful of valuable resources ($$$). In that manner, having a laptop that is good enough to do the job but cheap enough to help the bottom line might make you appear intelligent, appropriately frugal and good at making financial decisions. If it were me in your shoes, I'd most likely get a mainstream laptop around $500 with an emphasis on hard drive space and battery life. I think that a 14"-16" screen would be a good size to get a good balance of display quality and portability (bigger screen laptops are bigger, heavier and less portable). I'd get a dual-core CPU of some kind like an Athlon II X2, Pentium Dual-Core or i3 without worrying too much about the GPU (unless you want to play some games to relieve stress in between meetings/presentations) and I'd want a webcam and mic built into it for videoconferencing. That's an ideal situation, balancing cost with efficiency and convenience because in the real world, for most business applications, you can get by just fine with a netbook. The drawbacks to that are of course the small screen and keyboard but the advantage is long battery life and you can keep it in your suit's inside pocket. From a reliability standpoint, I think they're no better or worse than any other. Hell, I've dropped my E620 at least 5 times, it still works perfectly and it cost me only $310CAD in July of 2009. I'd widen my scope to include all brands, not just Dell and IBM(Lenovo). There are great products from Acer (including eMachines, Gateway and Packard-Bell), HP (including Compaq), Lenovo, Dell, Fujitsu, ASUS, MSI, etc. I think you would be remiss to actually care what the brand is. My advice with laptops is the same as my advice with everything else. Get what you need and no more. Imagine you're going to buy a video card. Do you care if it's MSI, ASUS, Sapphire, Powercolor or Palit? With obvious exceptions like XFX, EVGA, Zotac and Sparkle that offer lifetime warranties (which doesn't apply to laptops), nobody really cares what brand of video card they have as long as it has that lovely "GeForce GTX 580" or "Radeon HD 5970" on the box. I know this is a long and wordy answer but that question was a good one and there are so many correct answers to it. If this answer leaves you more confused than before, shoot me a private message with what you do for a living and what you need to do with the laptop and I'll be able to help you further. :sol:
 


Ha Ha. last time I wore a suit was when i got married 20 years ago.

I travel a lot and take my laptop on site so it needs to be robust. I use it for CAD/Office apps at work and for entertainment in the evening in my hotel room. The odd game sometimes and some Photoshop/Premiere stuff. I need a 1600 x 900 x 15" screen, at least, for the CAD stuff. 1920 x 1080 x 17" would be great but it's too heavy for airline cabin baggage with all my other bits as well.

Thanks for a thoughtful reply. There's so much ignorance on many of these forums.


 
You're very welcome. Now that I hear CAD and 1600x900x15.6", I know that the T510 is the one you must get. The nVidia Quadro on that laptop makes it essentially a mobile graphics workstation. You have one of the 0.1% of occupations that actually REQUIRES powerful graphics. Just remember, back when Dell Latitudes and IBM ThinkPads dominated the high-end laptop landscape and seemed to be invincible, those laptops were made in Japan or the USA, not China (I know my Dell was). The ThinkPad may look the same but it's not an IBM anymore, it's a Lenovo. Lenovo is Chinese and their laptops are made in China/Taiwan (like all the others). I applaud you however, your requirements are a tough nut to crack in the laptop market and through good research and sound reasoning you found one that will do the job for under $1,500. I couldn't find anything more suited to your needs myself. :sol:
 

I know, I know and it's a big problem and I really hate buying stuff that's made there but it's hard to find anything these days that's not made in China 🙁
Now if only the Germans started to make laptops and built them as well as they build their cars...
 


I need to spend more because I do not just want to run games, I want to run them on the highest settings I can. My desktop (built mid 2009) cannot handle CoD: Black Ops and only runs Star Craft 2 on medium, thus making it almost redundant.

I am an Australian so all above prices are in Australian Dollars. This is equal to the USD but we are forced to pay more because of both GST and import duties (retailers pay this so we pay more.)

My laptop alternative is an ASUS G53JW for $1850 which has the same specifications as the G51JX, different only by its core i7-740 CPU and nVidea GTX 460M GPU.

Thanks for your opinions,
-Klosteral
 

Well I'll be honest with you my fellow commonwealther, if I were you, I'd be upgrading my desktop, not blowing money on a high-end laptop. For $500 max you could turn your desktop PC into a gaming monster. Check out skycomp.com.au and you'll see what I'm talking about. If you need any help I'd be glad to give it to you. Truth be told, I'm much more of a desktop guy than a laptop guy since I've used x86-based desktops since I was 8 years old and did my first build when I was 12. :sol:
 

Yeah that's true but the problem is that they'd be about as expensive as their cars and most people don't hold onto a laptop that long because they become outdated rather quickly. :sol:
 


The reason I am reluctant to upgrade my computer is because I would loose everything on it and would be forced to re-download half my stuff in the 64 bit version. The 32-bit or x86 versions restrict the computer to use a total 3200MB of RAM which - understandably - effects gaming.

Are you saying I should spend only $1400-$1500 on a laptop (but I still want it to play games on relatively good settings) and use the other $300-$400 to upgrade my desktop?

-Klosteral
 


I don't understand your thinking here... upgrading does not mean going to 64 bit. All that will do is allow you to use more RAM (more than 4GB is not that much of an improvement for many apps - Photoshop being a notable exception) and improve the performance of some (not many) applications that are optimised for 64 bit.
You could however, get a new graphics card and see a big improvement - much better than adding more RAM. That 9600gt is a virtual antique these days - nearly 3 years old!
If you did want to go further and get a new motherboard and cpu as well, I think all you would need to do would be to install the new motherboard drivers.
 


What I'm saying is that you don't need to have a gaming laptop at all. I have my gaming monster desktop computer and I only have my laptop for simpler things when I'm out and about. You don't need to upgrade your motherboard from what I can see there, a video card and a CPU is all you need to make your computer into a monster. Check this out:
Video Card:
http://www.skycomp.com.au/item/SAPPHIRE-HD5850-1GB-256Bit-GDDR5-PCIE-2-DVI-HDMI-DSP-DX11-VaporX-Overclocked.aspx
CPU:
http://www.skycomp.com.au/item/INTEL-CORE-2-QUAD-Q9505-2-83GHz-6MB-CACHE-1333FSB-LGA775.aspx
That would make a gaming monster of your computer for certain. That is all you need to play whatever you want at whatever settings you want. You can overclock the Core2Quad even higher than the Core2Duo and all you have to do to change the CPU is drop it in. That way, there's no drivers to change. That video card is 4-6x more powerful than the one you currently have. The only thing you need to make sure of is that you have a 500W power supply. Your motherboard is fine, so is your RAM, your hard drives, your optical drives and is your OS, so why change them? Those two simple upgrades costing $525 incl. GST will make your desktop more powerful than even a $2000 gaming laptop. This is why I say that it's not a good idea to spend a lot of money on laptops, you cannot upgrade them simply and cheaply. A high-end laptop also tends to generate enormous amounts of heat which shortens its useful life. I can guarantee you that these two changes to your desktop configuration will make you not only decide that you don't need an expensive laptop, but that you don't need to spend $2400 on a new desktop later. Why buy a whole new computer when you can make your computer new for a fraction of the price? :sol:
 

Sure, any Radeon HD 5850 will do the trick although the Vapor-X is renowned for its cooling and overclocking properties. The only problem with the one you selected is that it says they don't have any. The CPU is less powerful and overclocking it won't bring it up to the Q9505's level because it only has 4MB of cache instead of 6. Either one will work just fine however. That laptop will be perfect for gaming as well, that Radeon HD 5730 is a really good GPU so yeah, if you can fit all of that into your budget, go for it. It's a lot better than the over $3000 you were looking at before. To be 100% honest with you though, I'd change the CPU on your desktop last. That Core2Duo at 3.1GHz will probably be just fine for at least another year. Get the video card first and see how it runs, I'm pretty sure that you'll forgo the CPU and will be very satisfied. There are still very few games that use more than 2 cores and I don't see that trend changing much in the next 12 months. :sol:
 


I chose the 5850 because I looked at some graphics card comparisons and was using the 5850 as a benchmark for finding better cards. Then I realised, the 5850 WAS the better card 😀

There are actually many games that use more than 2 cores now; the 2 most recent Call of Duty games, Medal of Honor, Need For Speed and a couple others are known to perform better with quad-core CPUs. Apparently Black ops ONLY runs with quad-cores (my 3GHz Dual Core cannot handle it)

I showed you those websites to indicate where I would be getting the stuff from and the prices, I do not plan to buy anything until late January so they have plenty of time to stock up.

Thanks for all your help,
-Klosteral
 
Thanks for the reasoned, consumer-conscious discussion. I am going to show it to my daughters and wife, not that they will change their attitudes.

I have a question you might be able to help me with. My daughter is a freshman in college and has an "old" (three years) laptop (specs below) she complains about, but when I pin her down, it does everything she needs it for - it just doesn't look like a new Macbook (hate Intel? don't get me started About apple...). However, she says it seems slow, and I promised to fix it up over break. She mainly does web stuff (read facebook) and occasional schoolwork with MS Office.

After 3 years there OS is probably clogged with junk, I plan to back up her data and do a reinstall.

If it still seems too slow I have 3 possible upgrades, and I would like your update on whether they will result in a noticeable performance improvement for her uses:

1. Get a wireless N usb card. Probably about $30, maybe $20 on sale

2. Upgrade from 1MB to 2MB RAM (max) about $50

4. Upgrade from 80GB 5400 rpm to new gen HDD, probably 320gb, 7200rpm, 16gb cache, about $60-$80.

At this point I have spent $150 on upgrades on a $400 laptop. Does it make sense? The other way to look at it is I have saved $350 on the cost of a new laptop.

The question is whether it would be a dramatic improvement - what do you think?

The specs are as follows:

Product Name Compaq C571NR
Product Number GF572UA#ABA
Microprocessor 1.73 GHz Intel® Pentium® Dual Core processor T2080
Microprocessor Cache 1 MB L2 Cache
Memory 1024 MB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm)
Video Graphics Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 (shared)
Video Memory Up to 224 MB
Hard Drive 80 GB (5400 RPM) Hard Drive (SATA)
Multimedia Drive Super Multi 8X DVD±R/RW with Double Layer Support
Display 15.4" WXGA High-Definition BrightView Widescreen (1280 x 800) Display
Fax/Modem High speed 56k modem
Network Card Integrated 10/100BASE-T Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 connector)
Wireless Connectivity 802.11b/g WLAN
Sound Altec Lansing
Keyboard 101-key compatible
Pointing Device Touch Pad with dedicated vertical and horizontal Scroll Up/Down pad
External Ports
3 Universal Serial Bus USB 2.0
1 VGA (15-pin)
1 RJ-11 (modem)
1 TV-Out (S-video)
1 RJ -45 (LAN)
1 headphone-out
1 microphone-in
Dimensions 14.1"(L) x 10.2" (W) 1.38" (min H) /1.77"(max H)
Weight 6.6 lbs
Product Specifications
 
I completely agree about the MacBook comment; my friend(s) are the same.

If your girl only wants to do those really low-power tasks like word processing and FaceBook, she does not need a better laptop. That said, 6.6lbs is about 3kgs in my country and that is pretty heavy. She may want something lighter for extra portability and your upgrades are not going to help that. But that is a different matter.

As for the upgrades themselves, definitely do the memory (RAM) and the hard drive upgrades but most new systems use G wireless so I do not think the N card will be the most useful. Besides, it is a USB dongle and your daughter may not like it sticking out the side of her laptop. Girls seem to care only about looks; hence why they look to MacBooks.

Here are the prices for your HDD and RAM (you have to buy 2GB RAM because they need to be the same brand, speed etc) from my local retailer:
2GB DDR2-800 PQI (brand) - $32
2.5" 320GB Western Digital - $50
USB Tenda W311U Wireless N - $13
http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf

New Total: $95AUD

If you do decide to get a laptop, these are the prices and specs of what I am looking at in Australia:
http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/notebook.pdf
You can probably get the same stuff for about 20% less in the UK or the US.

-Klosteral
 

The hard drive? nah, that won't speed up anything. The RAM? Yeah, that will make a difference for sure. The Wireless stick? Nope, I can't see that being a problem unless the integrated one died. I'm going to guess that this is an XP laptop and I'll tell you three programs that are GOLDEN for speeding up XP.
1.) CCleaner
2.) Regscrubvistaxp
3.) Defraggler

CCleaner stands for "crap cleaner" and is made by a company called piriform. You can use it to clear out all the crap in her temp folders.
Regscrubvistaxp does exactly what it sounds like. It cleans out the registry of all the crap that has gotten into it over time.
WARNING: If you see like 3000 errors, re-install windows. Only a virus can do that kind of damage.
Defraggler is also made by piriform and as its name suggests, it is a defrag utility that is 1000x better than XP defrag.
CCleaner and Defraggler are both available on filehippo.com and RegScrubVistaXp is available at majorgeeks.com, they're 100% free.
If your daughter is still whining, get her this:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Compaq+-+Presario+Laptop+/+AMD+V-Series+Processor+/+15.6%22+Display+/+2GB+Memory+/+250GB+Hard+Drive+-+Basic+Black/1271897.p?id=1218245812097&skuId=1271897
It's only $300 and it's guaranteed to shut her up. Tell her she can go buy her own webcam. :sol:
 


A 7200RPM drive will be faster than a 5400RPM drive, though not by much and it will be unnoticeable on such a low-end computer where heavy processing is not performed.

I would recommend doing the upgrades and periodically (every few months) running the programs Avro Arrow suggested and keeping your computer smooth and fast. Also, consider purchasing a virus scanner such as Kaspersky Anti-Virus or Trend Micro Internet Security. Viruses can destroy computers or at the least slow them down. My personal preference is to Trend Micro and I have licences for all of my home computers.

Good luck,
-Klosteral
 
Yes, AVG is the best free-ware anti-virus out there; I encourage everyone to have that on if they have no paid anti-virus software. That said, I like Trend Micro and do not mind spending money on licences for it.
 
No much bro, not much at all.

I need your opinion... again... for something like the third time...

I like the ASUS N61 here (the specs, price etc):
http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/notebook.pdf
But I think a 16" screen could be a little to large to frequently take around.

Do you know where I can find an equivalent laptop (not craptop 😛) for a similar price in a smaller (14" or 15") screen? Or will the cooling for something in a smaller case be poorer, thus making it more prone to overheating?

-Klosteral
 
I think that what they are calling a 16" screen is really a 15.6". I've never seen a real 16" laptop before but 15.6" is the standard size of the overwhelming majority of laptops today. The line between what constitutes a 15" or 16" laptop is blurry because a 15.6" is often referred to as either or. My own laptop is a 15.4" screen but it's a 16:10, not 16:9. When monitors started adapting the 16:9 ratio which is standard for HD video as opposed to the 16:10 ratio which is the standard for games, 15.4" became 15.6" and since it now rounds up, some manufacturers have started calling them 16" screens instead of 15". That laptop is a standard size so there's no real need to worry. A problem with the smaller screens is that they rarely, if ever, have powerful GPUs because smaller screen laptops are only very rarely used for gaming. As I was looking through some Aussie sites, it struck me how much more you pay for computer hardware there (That could be due to the fact that I only saw Intel-based laptops on 2 major sites). If someone was to start selling AMD-based laptops in Australia, they'd clean up because you Aussies would be ecstatic that you weren't getting buggered on the price anymore. I think that the laptop you chose it perfect for your purposes and I couldn't really find one better although it doesn't help when skycomp, computer online and Mwave's websites are all down at the same time. I'll check again in the morning. :sol:
 
I am going to add something here concerning netbooks. I saw all the sites talking about the differences between Windows 7 Starter and Windows XP Home and how they're similar in performance. Well, I'll tell ya, I never liked XP Home and W7S was really pissing me off on my new netbook. I bit the bullet and installed Windows XP Pro today on it and HOT DAMN what a difference! The thing isn't SLOW anymore! I mean, I knew it would be faster, my laptop is much faster with XP Pro but DAMN, I never expected XP Pro to make it go from painful to smooth! Comparing the performance levels between Windows 7 Starter and Windows XP Professional is like comparing cold molasses to greased lightning! And that is NOT an exaggeration! :sol:
 
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