Question Getting bad speeds and ping with ethernet cable

[AxelSSS]

Hello.
I have recently changed my wifi connection from wireless to a wired connection using a cat6 ethernet cable.
But i am getting worse speeds that i was getting with wireless and the same ping, i am wondering if there is something i have done wrong or if i just have bad hardware for a wired connection.
I have a netgear orbi router that could push a few gigs with a wired connection, but i am just not seeing the same effect that is advertised.
is for my ethernet connection i am using a cat6 cable and a inter ethernet Controller I225-V, but i am wondering if it is outdated hardware and is i should consider a upgrade to get a faster connection.

 

[USAFRet]

Crappy cable is the first suspect.
Especially "cat6".

 

[AxelSSS]

Crappy cable is the first suspect.
Especially "cat6".

hmm alright, i am using an exibel cat6 cable and could that be the problem?

 

[USAFRet]

hmm alright, i am using an exibel cat6 cable and could that be the problem?

link to what you purchased?

 

[AxelSSS]

link to what you purchased?

I am Norwegian but i suppose that there is no problem to be linking the website i bought is of even though it might not be the most optimal for you: https://www.clasohlson.com/no/Exibe...8975?msockid=0d35412d03af6a560c63546a02f86b78

 

[USAFRet]

I am Norwegian but i suppose that there is no problem to be linking the website i bought is of even though it might not be the most optimal for you: https://www.clasohlson.com/no/Exibe...8975?msockid=0d35412d03af6a560c63546a02f86b78

The problem is...there is a lot of stuff labeled at "Cat6", because 6 is better than 5, right?
But a LOT of it is junk.

Unless you need greater than gigabit speed, good quality Cat5e is all you need.
I've had very good results with Monoprice cables.

 

[AxelSSS]

The problem is...there is a lot of stuff labeled at "Cat6", because 6 is better than 5, right?
But a LOT of it is junk.

Unless you need greater than gigabit speed, good quality Cat5e is all you need.
I've had very good results with Monoprice cables.

Alright, but what if the problem is still occurring when i have gotten myself a high quality cat 5 cable is there a possibility that there might be some problems with my motherboard?

 

[USAFRet]

Alright, but what if the problem is still occurring when i have gotten myself a high quality cat 5 cable is there a possibility that there might be some problems with my motherboard?

Anything is possible.

But get the easy cheap likely thing out of the way first.

 

[AxelSSS]

Anything is possible.

But get the easy cheap likely thing out of the way first.

Alright, i will go out to the store as soon as i can and get a new cable and i will try to remember to update you with the result

 

[bill001g]

Guess it depends on what you mean bad speeds. Check the status menu for the ethernet port it should tell you the speed. If it says 100/100 that is likely a bad cable.

In general a bad cable causes packet loss. Indirectly it can cause slower transfers but the data itself passes through the cable at some fraction of the speed of light. It is the software that causes any delays.

You should ping the router IP to test. It should always be less than 1ms. The cable itself can not cause a delay since there is no place for the data to be stored and it again travels at some fixed fraction of the speed of light that is so small a value you almost can't calculate it on a short cable in your house.

 

[kanewolf]

Hello.
I have recently changed my wifi connection from wireless to a wired connection using a cat6 ethernet cable.
But i am getting worse speeds that i was getting with wireless and the same ping, i am wondering if there is something i have done wrong or if i just have bad hardware for a wired connection.
I have a netgear orbi router that could push a few gigs with a wired connection, but i am just not seeing the same effect that is advertised.
is for my ethernet connection i am using a cat6 cable and a inter ethernet Controller I225-V, but i am wondering if it is outdated hardware and is i should consider a upgrade to get a faster connection.

You only have control of the ping to your router. After that it is the ISP responsibility.
If you open a cmd window and run a continuous ping to 8.8.8.8 (ping -t 8.8.8.8 ) is the time consistent ?

 

[littlepony]

check your phone, is it have a signal? (you can connect to internet while you don't have phone signal) try to make the phone ring, do you already putting a phone on splitter with pc or you put it directly without phone or splitter? (try also to remove the splitter and connect it direct to the router, also try to make a call to the internet provider customer service if they make a maintenances in your area you will know from them.

 

[AxelSSS]

https://imgur.com/a/oFGlE7k

View: https://imgur.com/a/oFGlE7k
You only have control of the ping to your router. After that it is the ISP responsibility.
If you open a cmd window and run a continuous ping to 8.8.8.8 (ping -t 8.8.8.8 ) is the time consistent ?

i have just run the command and i am getting pretty consistent timing

 

[AxelSSS]

Guess it depends on what you mean bad speeds. Check the status menu for the ethernet port it should tell you the speed. If it says 100/100 that is likely a bad cable.

In general a bad cable causes packet loss. Indirectly it can cause slower transfers but the data itself passes through the cable at some fraction of the speed of light. It is the software that causes any delays.

You should ping the router IP to test. It should always be less than 1ms. The cable itself can not cause a delay since there is no place for the data to be stored and it again travels at some fixed fraction of the speed of light that is so small a value you almost can't calculate it on a short cable in your house.

The status menu for ethernet is saying 1000/1000 and i will provide som pictures, and when i pinged my router it is at around 2-3 ms and you stated that under 1 ms is optimal.
https://imgur.com/JzYins7

https://imgur.com/qi0eE7C

View: https://imgur.com/qi0eE7C

https://imgur.com/H4VyFUh

View: https://imgur.com/H4VyFUh

 

[kanewolf]

i have just run the command and i am getting pretty consistent timing

Consistent, but 30ms ping is pretty high.

 

[AxelSSS]

Consistent, but 30ms ping is pretty high.

I am with you on that one, i think 30ms is pretty high too which was the reason for me switching from wireless to wired, but I can’t seem to get lower ping

 

[bill001g]

try 1.1.1.1 instead maybe there is no google dns server near you.

2-3ms rather than 1ms tp the router likely is just something dumb with the way windows is measuring it. It is still likely actually under 1ms. When you run a linux OS it will actually show delays less than 1ms for most people. Doesn't matter as long as it is not high or you get random loss or spikes.

You can also do tracert 8.8.8.8 to try to see where the delay happens.

Key will be if you see the high latency in the lower hops. Most fiber connections have under 5ms on hop 2. Cable connections will be in the 10ms range. Now if you are using something strange like a cellular connection it would not be uncommon to get high latency.

 

[AxelSSS]

try 1.1.1.1 instead maybe there is no google dns server near you.

2-3ms rather than 1ms tp the router likely is just something dumb with the way windows is measuring it. It is still likely actually under 1ms. When you run a linux OS it will actually show delays less than 1ms for most people. Doesn't matter as long as it is not high or you get random loss or spikes.

You can also do tracert 8.8.8.8 to try to see where the delay happens.

Key will be if you see the high latency in the lower hops. Most fiber connections have under 5ms on hop 2. Cable connections will be in the 10ms range. Now if you are using something strange like a cellular connection it would not be uncommon to get high latency.

so i have tested the Cloudflare dns (1.1.1.1) and i am getting way better ping, and i will take your word that it is just windows that is measuring wrong.
And i have traced the google dns, but i have no idea what to do with the data so i will leave a screenshot for you.

https://imgur.com/a/Ixe3r73

View: https://imgur.com/a/Ixe3r73

https://imgur.com/eH015Fn

View: https://imgur.com/eH015Fn

 

[bill001g]

I would change the DNS you use to 1.1.1.1 but that will not affect the actual issue you stated.

Where do you see bad ping times. Are you using the actual ping command or do you see this number in some game. Games tell lies many times.

What has slow download. Is this something on speedtest or something else. Have you tried to change the speedtest server location you can get very different results.

The trace you have show that your ISP has a large delay going to google. Many ISP put airport codes in the names so you can tell cities but your does not. It could be that there is no google server nearby and it is going to a city fairly far away.


None of this explains why wifi would be different than ethernet. Your testing shows there is no issues in your house or near your house so I can't see how it could be different. Wifi should be slightly worse and many times a lot worse. Once it leaves your house all traffic appear to come from your router so it does not know it started out on wifi or ethernet.

 

[AxelSSS]

I would change the DNS you use to 1.1.1.1 but that will not affect the actual issue you stated.

Where do you see bad ping times. Are you using the actual ping command or do you see this number in some game. Games tell lies many times.

What has slow download. Is this something on speedtest or something else. Have you tried to change the speedtest server location you can get very different results.

The trace you have show that your ISP has a large delay going to google. Many ISP put airport codes in the names so you can tell cities but your does not. It could be that there is no google server nearby and it is going to a city fairly far away.


None of this explains why wifi would be different than ethernet. Your testing shows there is no issues in your house or near your house so I can't see how it could be different. Wifi should be slightly worse and many times a lot worse. Once it leaves your house all traffic appear to come from your router so it does not know it started out on wifi or ethernet.

Alright i will be changing my dns to the cloudflare dns, and i mainly see bad ping in videogames like cod and some 3rd person games too.
And it isn't ''slow'' download speeds but i was gettign around 600-700 mbps with wireless and with wired i am getting only around 300-400 mbps, and i am testing the download speeds with the ookla speed test.
And i am seeing slight change in my ping after changing my dns but a change from around 20 in game to around 14 isn't the biggest change.

https://imgur.com/a/SLemsjj

View: https://imgur.com/a/SLemsjj

 

[Ralston18]

Just as a means to take a bit of a different look.

What are the results if Powershell's Test-Netconnection cmdlet is used?

Reference:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/p.../test-netconnection?view=windowsserver2022-ps

From my computer:

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> ping google.com
Pinging google.com [64.233.180.113] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 64.233.180.113: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=55
Reply from 64.233.180.113: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=55
Reply from 64.233.180.113: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=55
Reply from 64.233.180.113: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=55
Ping statistics for 64.233.180.113:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 12ms, Maximum = 15ms, Average = 14ms
PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Test-NetConnection google.com

ComputerName : google.com
RemoteAddress : 64.233.180.113
InterfaceAlias : McXXXX
SourceAddress : 192.168.1.117
PingSucceeded : True
PingReplyDetails (RTT) : 16 ms

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> ping 1.1.1.1

Pinging 1.1.1.1 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 1.1.1.1: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=51
Reply from 1.1.1.1: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=51
Reply from 1.1.1.1: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=51
Reply from 1.1.1.1: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=51

Ping statistics for 1.1.1.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 13ms, Maximum = 16ms, Average = 14ms
PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Test-NetConnection 1.1.1.1

ComputerName : 1.1.1.1
RemoteAddress : 1.1.1.1
InterfaceAlias : McXXXX
SourceAddress : 192.168.1.117
PingSucceeded : True
PingReplyDetails (RTT) : 13 ms


PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Test-NetConnection 1.1.1.1 -Hops 4

ComputerName : 1.1.1.1
RemoteAddress : 1.1.1.1
InterfaceAlias : McXXXX
SourceAddress : 192.168.1.117
PingSucceeded : True
PingReplyDetails (RTT) : 13 ms

What I am asking and trying to understand is how much error is inherent in the testing commands/process?

How much is a real/meaningful difference in some "X" value of ms?

= = = =

Just ran:

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Test-NetConnection cloudflare.com -Hops 4

ComputerName : cloudflare.com
RemoteAddress : 104.16.133.229
InterfaceAlias : McXXXX
SourceAddress : 192.168.1.117
PingSucceeded : True
PingReplyDetails (RTT) : 14 ms

I am simply curious about the margins of error that are involved with respect to the tests being run.

 

[kanewolf]

Alright i will be changing my dns to the cloudflare dns, and i mainly see bad ping in videogames like cod and some 3rd person games too.
And it isn't ''slow'' download speeds but i was gettign around 600-700 mbps with wireless and with wired i am getting only around 300-400 mbps, and i am testing the download speeds with the ookla speed test.
And i am seeing slight change in my ping after changing my dns but a change from around 20 in game to around 14 isn't the biggest change.

https://imgur.com/a/SLemsjj

View: https://imgur.com/a/SLemsjj

Since you have a 225-V ethernet adapter. They were notorious for bad drivers. I would be sure you have the latest driver from the Intel website.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...ntel-ethernet-controller-i225v/downloads.html

 

[bill001g]

DNS won't matter in games it is more something you would see in web pages. Some web pages have a large number of other sites they load. Each of these needs to talk to the DNS server and a small decrease can make the pages appear to load faster.

Games generally do not use DNS except for when you first log into them.

So you are complaining about 20ms ping times in a game ? It would be more if you got 100 or 200ms spikes it would be more a issue. Games also do not care if you have 300 or 500 or even 1gbit. They use less than 1mbps when you are playing them.

Why your ethernet is slower than wifi is very strange. It is not going to be a simple cable issue since that would more be you only get 100mbps but since you get more the cable likely is running at 1gbit between your pc and the router.

The only thing I can suggest is to try to find better drivers directly from the intel site. Many years ago when the 225 chipset first came out there was a bunch that were defective. They partially fixed this with drivers but the only true fix was to replace the motherboard. I forget what the actual symptom was, if it was slow download or something else. These were in the very first shipments of motherboards later ones did not have this issue.

 

[AxelSSS]

Just as a means to take a bit of a different look.

What are the results if Powershell's Test-Netconnection cmdlet is used?

Reference:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/p.../test-netconnection?view=windowsserver2022-ps

From my computer:

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> ping google.com
Pinging google.com [64.233.180.113] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 64.233.180.113: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=55
Reply from 64.233.180.113: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=55
Reply from 64.233.180.113: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=55
Reply from 64.233.180.113: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=55
Ping statistics for 64.233.180.113:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 12ms, Maximum = 15ms, Average = 14ms
PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Test-NetConnection google.com

ComputerName : google.com
RemoteAddress : 64.233.180.113
InterfaceAlias : McXXXX
SourceAddress : 192.168.1.117
PingSucceeded : True
PingReplyDetails (RTT) : 16 ms

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> ping 1.1.1.1

Pinging 1.1.1.1 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 1.1.1.1: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=51
Reply from 1.1.1.1: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=51
Reply from 1.1.1.1: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=51
Reply from 1.1.1.1: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=51

Ping statistics for 1.1.1.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 13ms, Maximum = 16ms, Average = 14ms
PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Test-NetConnection 1.1.1.1

ComputerName : 1.1.1.1
RemoteAddress : 1.1.1.1
InterfaceAlias : McXXXX
SourceAddress : 192.168.1.117
PingSucceeded : True
PingReplyDetails (RTT) : 13 ms


PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Test-NetConnection 1.1.1.1 -Hops 4

ComputerName : 1.1.1.1
RemoteAddress : 1.1.1.1
InterfaceAlias : McXXXX
SourceAddress : 192.168.1.117
PingSucceeded : True
PingReplyDetails (RTT) : 13 ms

What I am asking and trying to understand is how much error is inherent in the testing commands/process?

How much is a real/meaningful difference in some "X" value of ms?

= = = =

Just ran:

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Test-NetConnection cloudflare.com -Hops 4

ComputerName : cloudflare.com
RemoteAddress : 104.16.133.229
InterfaceAlias : McXXXX
SourceAddress : 192.168.1.117
PingSucceeded : True
PingReplyDetails (RTT) : 14 ms

I am simply curious about the margins of error that are involved with respect to the tests being run.

As of what i could understand of what you were saying you asked me to run a command in powershell to figure out some more detailed information about my problem.
I am not saying that i am unable to understand what you are typing, but i am just not qualified enough to understand absolutely everything you are saying. and for me a real drop in ping would be around 12-10 ms

https://imgur.com/hdwqQGy

View: https://imgur.com/hdwqQGy

https://imgur.com/e2phxRw

View: https://imgur.com/e2phxRw

 

[AxelSSS]

Since you have a 225-V ethernet adapter. They were notorious for bad drivers. I would be sure you have the latest driver from the Intel website.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...ntel-ethernet-controller-i225v/downloads.html

I might be doing something wrong, but when i am trying to install new drivers it says ''device not found'' but i have made sure to choose the right file for the update but the problem is still occuring.

https://imgur.com/1hzhrJN

View: https://imgur.com/1hzhrJN

https://imgur.com/b2FYG2X

View: https://imgur.com/b2FYG2X