[SOLVED] Getting windows 11

[WrongRookie]

Ok so I cloned my M.2 SSD and I want to get windows 11 at some point.

Problem is that my motherboad is legacy but it supports UEFI. So would it be fine to convert it to UEFI and just upgrade it to Windows 11? And will it detect that Windows 10 should be in the m.2 drive like how it should be when I cloned it?

Or do I have to reinstall windows 10 into UEFI, then reinstall windows 11 through the upgrade manually?

And I also don't know about this TPM 2.0 that's also needed? And I'm not sure if my Motherboard supports it.

My motherboard is Super Micro C7H270-CG-ML.

 

[Colif]

this is easy way to convert WIn 10 install to UEFI without a reinstall - https://it-infrastructure.solutions/how-to-switch-from-legacy-to-uefi-boot-mode-mbr2gpt-convertion/

what are specs of PC? what CPU?

motherboard has a tpm header but you don't need that, most CPU that can run win 11 have the ability to run ptt instead which is firmware tpm, its built into the CPU

https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/C7H270-CG-ML

so what CPU you have means more than the MB

 

[WrongRookie]

I converted Legacy to UEFI(btw is it normal for the motherboard logo to appear instead of the windows 10 logo during boot time?)...and no it still doesn't save my power settings...

My CPU is intel core i7-7700

Here's the rest of the specs

OS: Windows 10 pro 64-bit

CPU: Intel Core i7 7700@ 3.60GHz
Kaby Lake 14nm Technology

Ram 16.0 GB Dual-Channel @ 1063MHz

Motherboard: Supermicro C7H270-CG-ML(CPU)

Graphics

ViewSonic XG2401(1920X1080@144Hz)
4095MB NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1050 Ti(ZOTAC INTERNATIONAL)

Storage

1863GB SEAGATE ST2000Dm006-2DM164(SATA)
1863GB TOSHIBA External USB 3.0 USB Device(USB(SATA))

Optical Drives

Asus DRW-24D5MT

AUDIO
Realtek High Definition Audio

https://imgur.com/lUM1RSc

View: https://imgur.com/lUM1RSc


Looks like everything on the CPU but Compatability is fine

 

[Colif]

(btw is it normal for the motherboard logo to appear instead of the windows 10 logo during boot time?

yes, it does that on mine.

if TPM exists in your bios it is likely called PPT, you might be able to enable it in bios. It might be under security
Your CPU currently not on this list - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/wi...pported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors

 

[WrongRookie]

yes, it does that on mine.

if TPM exists in your bios it is likely called PPT, you might be able to enable it in bios. It might be under security
Your CPU currently not on this list - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/wi...pported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors

Darn....what choices do I have? Isn't 7700 like a decent enough CPU?

 

[Colif]

it might not have been tested or they might expand listing, it may miss some features that it needs to support 11. I don't have any info on that myself.

I would just keep using 10, it really isn't that much difference and in a few years you can buy a new PC with a CPU that will work.
I still can't tell difference between 10 & 11. Release might be different to what I have...

 

[WrongRookie]

it might not have been tested or they might expand listing, it may miss some features that it needs to support 11. I don't have any info on that myself.

I would just keep using 10, it really isn't that much difference and in a few years you can buy a new PC with a CPU that will work.
I still can't tell difference between 10 & 11. Release might be different to what I have...

I guess my motherboard won't support eight gen eh? What about just upgrading the cpu?

 

[Colif]

MB supports: Intel® 6th/7th Generation Core i7/Corei5/Corei3/Pentium®/Celeron® series processor. https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/C7H270-CG-ML

You have 7th gen now. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...7-7700-processor-8m-cache-up-to-4-20-ghz.html

Did you look in bios? i would just hope they expand the list before launch

 

[WrongRookie]

Did you look in bios? i would just hope they expand the list before launch

How to look at it in BIOS? I already converted to UEFI

 

[Colif]

UEFI = BIOS. All you did was convert the boot method
Its still the same

Explanation of terms:

Spoiler

UEFI - Unified extensible Firmware Interface

If your PC is less than 11 years old, you have a UEFI bios now

In 2006 or so Intel decided the bios as it was at time was too limited and needed to be replaced so that it supported newer technologies as they were invented
By about 2009 a consortium of hardware makers had combined to create UEFI standard

Old bios were limited, they didn't know what a mouse was for, so everything was keyboard driven
they weren't expandable, everything had to fit in a small amount of memory
they only supported Master Boot Record (MBR) which can only have 4 partitions per drive (there are tricks to get around this) and max drive size is 2.2 tb

UEFI bios overcame all the limitations of legacy bios (as it came to be called)
it supports mouse, it has a GUI so it looks better than previous bios could
Its expandable, it can be added to to grow as new hardware is created.
UEFI supports MBR & GPT Drives


GPT = GUID Partition Table

GUID = Global Unique ID = Every GPT drive on earth has a unique ID
GPT drives can have a max of 255 partitions on them
Max size of a GPT drive/partition is 18.8 Million TB

 

[WrongRookie]

UEFI = BIOS. All you did was convert the boot method
Its still the same

Explanation of terms:

Spoiler

UEFI - Unified extensible Firmware Interface

If your PC is less than 11 years old, you have a UEFI bios now

In 2006 or so Intel decided the bios as it was at time was too limited and needed to be replaced so that it supported newer technologies as they were invented
By about 2009 a consortium of hardware makers had combined to create UEFI standard

Old bios were limited, they didn't know what a mouse was for, so everything was keyboard driven
they weren't expandable, everything had to fit in a small amount of memory
they only supported Master Boot Record (MBR) which can only have 4 partitions per drive (there are tricks to get around this) and max drive size is 2.2 tb

UEFI bios overcame all the limitations of legacy bios (as it came to be called)
it supports mouse, it has a GUI so it looks better than previous bios could
Its expandable, it can be added to to grow as new hardware is created.
UEFI supports MBR & GPT Drives


GPT = GUID Partition Table

GUID = Global Unique ID = Every GPT drive on earth has a unique ID
GPT drives can have a max of 255 partitions on them
Max size of a GPT drive/partition is 18.8 Million TB

So what do I have to do regarding the BIOS?

 

[Colif]

you need to find a section that deals with security and see if it mentions ppt.

you wouldn't happen to have the manual would you? might make it faster to find.

 

[WrongRookie]

you need to find a section that deals with security and see if it mentions ppt.

you wouldn't happen to have the manual would you? might make it faster to find.

I don't have the manual. When I got my PC build, the technician never gave it...

I guess the PDF should do it.

EDIT: Under Security, it says nothing about PPT

https://www.supermicro.com/manuals/motherboard/H270/MNL-1914.pdf

Secure Boot has the options whether to enable it or not. Should I enable that?

 

[WrongRookie]

Security just shows admistrator set password and User set password...I guess I created a password on user to like enable secure boot?

If I enable secure boot, the dialog says that it can be enabled if the PK is set to user or something like that. Any ideas on what that means?

 

[Colif]

Microsoft adds a few more CPUs to Windows 11 compatibility list, but the upgrade process still seems like a mess

AMD's first-gen Ryzen CPUs and most Intel 7th gen CPUs get left behind.

www.pcgamer.com

look how close you got

don't set a password, its not part of it.

 

[WrongRookie]

Microsoft adds a few more CPUs to Windows 11 compatibility list, but the upgrade process still seems like a mess

AMD's first-gen Ryzen CPUs and most Intel 7th gen CPUs get left behind.

www.pcgamer.com

look how close you got

...they are teasing me at this rate.

Anyways...I tried enabling secure boot but I'm having issues as to how. Any ideas here?

https://ibb.co/4Fc1R6b

https://ibb.co/9c1k22d

https://ibb.co/QbHFzT2

https://ibb.co/k8mk3ZP

Also..what is this about?

https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-11-official-iso-media-will-not-block-unsupported-cpu-hardware

 

[Colif]

Company spokespeople have said that users can manually perform an upgrade using offline media, either via the Media Creation Tool or via official ISOs on PCs with CPUs that aren't on the official list, just like Windows 10 can. The only requirements that will be checked during a manual upgrade or install are whether or not the PC has TPM 1.2 enabled, 64GB minimum storage, 4GB RAM, and a dual-core CPU.

Microsoft does not recommend or encourage users to manually upgrade to Windows 11 via offline media on unsupported PCs, and will continue to refer to the official requirements when asked. Of course, upgrading an unsupported PCs may result in a dysfunctional or broken state, though most modern PCs will likely work just fine, even if officially "unsupported" by Windows 11.

Seems I would wait and see. If thats right, you still need tpm 1.2 but you can clean isntall on that once we work out secure boot.

I will have to look at your pictures later, i am getting tired and its better for you if I can think.

 

[WrongRookie]

Sure man take your time no worries

 

[Colif]

i suspect you will need to update using ISO. The first time, to convert license from win 10 to 11, after that you can clean install if you want to. That is how it worked with win 7 to 10.

 

[WrongRookie]

Any ideas yet on how to enable the TPM? I tried enabling TXT there but nothing happened.

 

[Colif]

i didn't get a chance to look today, I will try tomorrow but we have bad weather for the rest of day so I can't promise.

 

[WrongRookie]

i didn't get a chance to look today, I will try tomorrow but we have bad weather for the rest of day so I can't promise.

Its ok take you time.

 

[Colif]

Found where you got TXT from - link - more people convincing themselves 11 is like 8

TPM has to exist for TXT to work- https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19499999/what-is-the-difference-between-intel-txt-and-tpm

i love your manual, new ones leave so much out

TXT support
Intel TXT (Trusted Execution Technology) helps protect against software-based attacks and ensures protection, confidentiality and integrity of data stored or created on the system. The options are Enabled and Disabled. *If Intel Trusted Execution Technology is Enabled, the features Alias Check Request and DPR Memory Size are available for configuration

Alias Check Request
Use this feature to set up Alias Check Request. The options are Enabled and Disabled.

Page 4-8

Seems we need to do more digging

its all related as this page mentions PPT - https://www.intel.com.au/content/ww...l-trusted-execution-technology-intel-txt.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Execution_Technology

your CPU support TXT but whther that means it has PPT is another question.

chipset on mb determines if it has ptt - https://www.techspot.com/review/1299-intel-core-kaby-lake-desktop/

 

[Colif]

Short answer: You don't have PTT

Long answer: Blame Intel.

At the time the MB was released, the only MB that got PTT support were Corporate models, so the Q270 or Q250.

Z270, H270 & B250 don't have PTT support in bios

Your motherboard is based on H270 chipset.
See the table here under same sockets, new chipsets - https://www.techspot.com/review/1299-intel-core-kaby-lake-desktop/

I would just keep using 10 and get 11 on next PC. You aren't missing anything. Really.

 

[WrongRookie]

Short answer: You don't have PTT

Long answer: Blame Intel.

At the time the MB was released, the only MB that got PTT support were Corporate models, so the Q270 or Q250.

Z270, H270 & B250 don't have PTT support in bios

Your motherboard is based on H270 chipset.
See the table here under same sockets, new chipsets - https://www.techspot.com/review/1299-intel-core-kaby-lake-desktop/

I would just keep using 10 and get 11 on next PC. You aren't missing anything. Really.

sigh...darn. Oh well...it was worth it...but wait, the motherboard still has TPM support right? What would I need to do for that?