GF7800GTXs automatically overclocking themselves?

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Um, I'll stay out of the attack stuff,lol. Anyway this is freakin cool as hell IMO go Nvidia!! I hope they put this into the lower 7 series cards.
 
So, how much performance gain will I see in the 7800GTX if I upgrade from my 6800 Ultra 256?

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Im not sure if you are throwing me into the Bias category or not so I will remain calm for now. I never said or even suggested that there is anything wrong with Nvidia or anyone else boosting performance.

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Unless you qualify for their upgrade program then dont even think about changing.

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dont sweat it. the summer heat psychological nudity seemingly gets to everyone when it hits. heck, i too, go with the flow, misinterpreting intent/implication...i mean dont we all?
 
I checked into the PEG-link by ASUS, and it would be a little different than this. For the PEG-link you actually have to enable it (chose from the 5 settings) and it was a feature that ASUS promoted and outlined, not something that people noticed afterwards. This isn't the same as Turbo, Overdrive, Guru, etc. Those are pre-determined settings by the user and they know where it is, this is outside of that scope. The only bad thing about it would be ASUS and others promotion of the upper level speeds as the clock speeds. If you think we get alot of silly questions about why someone's card is clocked at 398 instead of the advertised 400, imagine when people check the ASUS clockspeed and see 430 instead of the advertised 470.

Unlike PEG-link it happens behind the scenes and most reviewers were unaware that it was happening in the first place. It's not a major issue, and is good for the consumerm but for apples to apples comparisons it wouldn't be right. Since there are no others out there comparable, it's not an issue right now, however considering all the talk of efficiencies per clock, efficiencies per pipe, etc it's bound to become an issue once there are cards to compare it to.

Supposedly the lower series cards will also have this characteristic according to the InQ's blurb on this issue;

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For the average person this matters very little because really they should be thinking about FPS/$, for people who like to talk about the hardware this is an interesting development.


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I challenge you to a duel!!

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*Tightens bra* Well I most certainly am not a woman!

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it pisses me off that GGA makes an informative post and people jump all over its subject matter for being, in some fashion, dishonest. Then you come in and call it a dishonest optimization (I call it a design feature--IT'S ALL GAIN).
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I said because it was not disclosed, not because they said it and it wasn't all true as to be dishonest (like Asus' representation of it).
I don't like overclocks without me knowing about them. Suppose one day it does cause corruption issues on some boards? I mean, it's a whole 40MHZ more, not 10MHZ like your average BFG "1337 OC biatch lolloll~~~!!!" OC advertisement. And even then, at least they mention it.

Basically what GGA said is what I believe too: for hardware discussions like comparing architectures or clock speeds, it simply isn't very good to not tell us about it first and have some option to turn it off if ONLY for the sake of comparing as enthusiasts. It's already messy to deal with two different clock rates on the cards, with different bandwidth bitwidths and channels/data rates, when you try to compare efficiency of X memory controller. Now we have to also compare geometry clocks?! Well, hey it's fine by me, but at least let me know about it first.

I didn't like the fact ATi hid for a long time the 8500's extra vertex shader, though eventually it was revealed, explaining for a major part, why it excelled in the Nature test of 3dM01. If programmers knew about the extra shader, they'd have perhaps enjoyed writing and optimizing for it. Basically it's just the idea of not disclosing that I don't like.

Anyway, you're the ring leader of this pro ATi bullshit to a fairly large degree--you know more than most and you're smarter than most....don't let it get to your head. You tremendously help sustain this forum's extreme ATi bias. I don't like that.
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I just can't seem to get how you think that... I've no clue how I passed off as anti-nV. I owned and own nVidia hardware.

I was disappointed with how truly better the 7800GTX was, at first, until the more benchmarks I saw, the more I knew it was quite potent, though it wasn't revealed too well on this site. (my guess is Lars not being the writer affected some of the usual more in-depth tests)
I didn't claim anywhere to be against it, and the price is definitely a better value than my card now.

it's senior members are another large component.
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I don't believe that at all. GGA, Paul, Mozzart and many others all have objectiveness. And they back up what they think so it doesn't look contrived or one-sided without a reason.
Yes you got those who enjoy kidding around like CS and Wusy but that hardly makes the senior members look like a bunch of puppet masters.

What's XS btw?

BTW, since the 7800GTX has been released, you've seemed especially anti-nV as your X8x0XT(pe?) isn't top dog any more
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Again that's not even true. I've given praise where necessary, and held back in others. I happen to believe that a truly new product SHOULD exceed the previous generation's output by 2 times. It's insane, I know, but I think if you actually invested in developping your new hardware, then justify its 2x price. Last generation did that very well and even opened my eyes, as I witnessed the old days of the 386 to 486 and so on, be revived. Back then ever small bump or advancement in the core (like moving the FP coprocessor to the die) would yeild major results.

I loved my GF3 Ti200, but I just couldn't appreciate that at release it hardly could beat the GF2 Ultra until the Detonator XPs were released, and even then the serie never made much of a jump with the Ti500 against the Ultra. I do like the fact it introduced a revolutionary architecture, so I guess it can be forgiven, but still, with new technology should come new support behind. So that if a Ti200 was made to support DX8, at least make sure it can run well DX8-intensive games. (sorta like the FX5200's DX9 support, or even Intel's PS2.0 GMA900)

But I digress. I still wanna know how I've actually been holding back from giving praise to the 7800GTX because I want to defend my card and keep its image as the top? Yeah I do defend it if someone bashed it for no good reason, because it's a solid card, but I realize the computer industry's cycle updates and know that it doesn't last longer than a few months before your investment is crippled down.

Anyways I agree with GGA, you got a few unsettled issues, and I don't think your anger is justified. I look at things rationally and despise when something is kept hidden from me when it comes to something like this, especially when I want to debate with the most informed facts, and suddenly learn about this.
So bottom line is, the clock boost is fine, as long as we're told about it and could control it in order to further our analysis of GPU cores and their efficiencies, something that your true PC enthusiast would do. If you don't like that or disagree with it, just say it, that's fine, but there are people who like that, like me and GGA, and like to gather more comprehension of the technicalities behind the silicon.

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[-peep-] off, that entire OTHER forum is full of weirdos that should be in solitary confinement. Whenever one of those freaks traipses up here, something truly repulsive is said...it's disgusting. That entire section of the forum should be deleted and the leaders should be given therapy (or maybe the victims? the leaders should be locked away).
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Please, PLEASE tell me you were just being humorous... 😱

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That totally confuses me. You may be correct, but going by their definition alone seems to suggest different "It allows the mobo to automatically adjust the PCIexpress grapghics link mode to the correct frequency based on the system configuration."

When I am running the FSB at stock or on AUTO then the correct/factory clocks are displayed. When I overclock the FSB then the clocks change on the video card. I allow my board to adjust the PCIexpress frequency as I OC. The PCIexpress frequency is one of the BIOS settings that most Overclockers lock at 100 -110Mhz. If the PCIexpress frequency is locked then the mobo wouldnt OC the card, at least not by more than one small adjustment. I dont lock mine, and this causes my PCIexpress frequency to run alot higher than most people run theirs. The board will keep running the PCIexpress fre up the more I increase my FSB. This also increases the OC on my video card if I dont set the PEG LINK mode to a preset. Maybe NVIDIA saw this as an opportunity? In other words maybe they somehow let the board take the credit or blame for the higher clocks?

Im not arguing with you, im trying to understand whats going on with this. Keep on with the discussion.

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I'm not sure about that, you'd know better from experience. From what I've seen the influence is still user controlled to a great extent, and while not pre-defined (like Overdrive, et al) it is user controllable/selectable, which is not the case for this dynamic clocking in the G70. That doesn' affect it's benifit (hey it's nice to have a fire and forget option if it works [but we all think we can squeeze an ounce or two more out of stuff don't we? :wink: ])

The boost in the PCIe frequency indpendant of the card wouldn't have an effect because it's not a performance barrier, it's the effect on the card's clockrates that has an impact. And if you were to bench a card on an ASUS board with it enabled and not knowing it while trying to get 'stock' comparisons, you wouldn't get accurate results, and without knowing what's going people could easily attibute performance gains to something else.

That's really the issue for me, but like I said it's not a big issue, just something to 'keep in mind' when discussing.

Another question I now have is really for ASUS, does PEG-link affect nV cards more now? All the info I've read today about it implies it's only 'noticeable' on ATi cards, it's effect on nV cards was far less and closer to the margin of error, whereas the ATi cards were showing 5-10%. Now that would be a good example of without that knowledge people could draw incorrect conclusions about other hardware.


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Im asking this only to make sure that I made it clear. The AUTO setting is the one that allows the MOBO to change the PEG LINK frequency. Many times Auto is not thought of as a setting that is free to range from one end of a scale to the other. The remaining settings either slow down speed up or set the clocks to Normal. Did you take this into consideration?

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Yeah, if the default is auto, and it automatically adjusts frequencies (even slightly +/-) then it become a variable to be considered. If Auto was defaulted to OFF, which it usually isn't for most apps and features I've used, then it wouldn't matter to comparisons, however as this is simply a parrallel it's not that big a deal, but an interesting example of something similar.

Either way any outside influence would have to be taken into account if you're looking for apples/apples, and if in this case we're talking about efficiencies, then any variables in speed would greatly impact the efficiences per clock.

Funny that this boost in speed doesn't have a bigger impact on power consumption. The GF7800GTX is less power hungry at idle, but only slightly more power hungry under load, and considering that now it's a much larger mhz delta (and higher memory to start with) with those 8 extra pipes, it's not much of a power boost considering all that, and somewhat of a testament to the efficiency of the 110nm process.

Anyways, I'd agree this was similar to Peg-link or any other 'overclocking' tool if it were 'disableable' (which only makes sense for comparisons) and if it were something that wasn't 'discovered' by reviewers long after introduction.

Anywhoo, like I said, for the user, all is good, for people disucssing these things this is just an added wrinkle.



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is it just me? but i always thought of it as the only course of action to take when youre running against the mob/legion, unless of course youve got nothing whatsoever to lose for starters, in which case you'll die a martyr/hero, ceteris paribus.
 
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