Gigabyte P67A-UD5 vs. Gigabyte P67A-UD4

[willmalcom]

Jaquith, the way it looks now I think a lot of people are gonna be disappointed in SB. Have you been looking @ some of the other OC forums?

 

[jaquith]

What forums in particular are you referring? I know about the H67 and add on nVidia issues, but beyond that I'm not sure what you might be getting at with "disappointed. "

 

[shirodx]

Is not having UEFI BIOS such a bad thing?
It's just a GUI. It's not like there are less features for OC'ing your board.

UEFI is not a big deal.
Just a new paint job on an old car...

When are they going to get rid of having to configure the bios anyways??
That's what I wanna know?
(I know, I know. Sounds crazy doesn't it)

 

[jaquith]

UEFI doesn't sway me one way or the other, I've stated that many times. It's the fact that GA has a habit of halfa..ing things too fast then (revisions 2/3) fix the problems...but for poor fools who jumped too soon - sol time.

BIOS in one form or another is here to stay until everything is integrated and even then there's BIOS in the form of 'firmware.'

 

[shirodx]

Here's another interesting point,

"now asus on the whole uses their digital VRM setup which is cheaper to implement and does not meet with Intel's VRD12 certification,
that is why when you OC you need to enable C1E, EIST, and C3/C6.

and gigabyte is the opposite they the more expansive analogue VRM setup and does indeed meet VRD12 certification.

Now not saying asus is bad just saying they are banking it, their manufacturing cost is probably a lot cheaper than gigabyte's as you can see in the price department.".

Just something to think about.

 

[shirodx]

In the end what it really comes down to is your personal experience with the product.

I was burned very badly by ASUS so I'm not gonna go with them this time.

Anyone can have bad experiences with products.

Hopefully we all can just be happy with the purchases we have made.

 

[jaquith]

Huh??!!

"ASUS DIGI+ VRM is an innovative, industry-leading technology that fully integrates Intel® VRD12 specifications on a native level, greatly enhancing power to go far beyond the limits of analog designs."

Actually, I like MSI with their SFC's truth be known.

 

[willmalcom]

What forums in particular are you referring? I know about the H67 and add on nVidia issues, but beyond that I'm not sure what you might be getting at with "disappointed. "

It seems like everyone was expecting 5ghz on air with no problems. Only 10% of the chips will pull 5ghz and only 50% will even pull 4.5ghz. The chips shouldn't take more than 1.35v and seem to be kind of fragile. I was just referring to other overclocking forums and reports of ppl killing their chips. When you were saying that it isn't an enthusiast chip and were trying to convince people to keep x58 platforms, maybe they should have listened more 😱

 

[ortoklaz]

It seems like everyone was expecting 5ghz on air with no problems. Only 10% of the chips will pull 5ghz and only 50% will even pull 4.5ghz. The chips shouldn't take more than 1.35v and seem to be kind of fragile. I was just referring to other overclocking forums and reports of ppl killing their chips. When you were saying that it isn't an enthusiast chip and were trying to convince people to keep x58 platforms, maybe they should have listened more 😱

Sandy Bridge series is meant to be a mainstream period ,
" Only 10% of the chips will pull 5ghz and only 50% will even pull 4.5ghz. The chips shouldn't take more than 1.35v and seem to be kind of fragile........."
This is total bull...,you should go back and read more and more,before you start making assumptions

 

[willmalcom]

Sandy Bridge series is meant to be a mainstream period ,
" Only 10% of the chips will pull 5ghz and only 50% will even pull 4.5ghz. The chips shouldn't take more than 1.35v and seem to be kind of fragile........."
This is total bull...,you should go back and read more and more,before you start making assumptions

No, it isn't. Show me something that refutes those numbers.

 

[ortoklaz]

No, it isn't. Show me something that refutes those numbers.

For right now all you have is this;
this CPU's have been tested for six months before the final release,what would make you think that Intel is lying ?
one website said 1.35v becuase they want hits so they rouse up bs.


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"VCC: Commonly Called Vcore, the voltage supplied to the processors inside the CPU. This voltage is a large part of Sandy Bridge overclocking. Now from personal testing, and weeks and weeks of headaches and hard ships, I have a few things I would like to share about this voltage.
I say maximum voltage for Vcc/Vcore is 1.50v for 24/7, 1.55-1.60v for extreme benchmarking, please stay below to 1.6, and don’t use any type of Load Line Calibration past 1.55v. Please not that high temperature teamed up with high voltage will kill your processor faster than anything else, it creates a perfect environment for processor degradation."
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=264837
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=264874&page=5

like i say ..to early to make any assumptions

 

[willmalcom]

to early to make any assumptions

This I can agree with.

 

[ortoklaz]

to early to make any assumptions

This I can agree with.

here is WHY SB is cheap ;
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-Plans-to-Release-a-New-Sandy-Bridge-Chipset-in-Q2-2011-Dubbed-Z68-176163.shtml

 

[jaquith]

I've seen the Z68 info, and about the only 'real' change is it ability to OC whereas the H67 cannot. Good video, but Linus really needs to improve his writing skills - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUgBNWtCsnk

Regarding P67 + i7 2600K OC, most everyone is having problems with 5+GHz OC'ing, it's not the cooling or voltage limits. It's the SB itself, and 4.5+~5.0 GHz OC'ing is a hit and miss to acheive a 'stable' OC. Many are very concerned about the longterm effects with 4.5+~5.0 GHz OC'ing.

The ONLY draw to either the H67 or Z68 is if you want an onboard GPU - period!

 

[willmalcom]

I've seen the Z68 info, and about the only 'real' change is it ability to OC whereas the H67 cannot. Good video, but Linus really needs to improve his writing skills - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUgBNWtCsnk

Regarding P67 + i7 2600K OC, most everyone is having problems with 5+GHz OC'ing, it's not the cooling or voltage limits. It's the SB itself, and 4.5+~5.0 GHz OC'ing is a hit and miss to acheive a 'stable' OC. Many are very concerned about the longterm effects with 4.5+~5.0 GHz OC'ing.

The ONLY draw to either the H67 or Z68 is if you want an onboard GPU - period!

Yep, that is why I knocked mine down to just a healthy 4.0 until we know more.

Regardless, it is still quite an improvement over my phenom ii X4, E:TW and N:TW run a lot better.

I will wait until the new enthusiast socket comes out and sell my 2500k.

 

[Mannaman]

Anything > 14 Phase gets into stupid land, and if ALL the phases are only going through the CPU even dumber.

I've seen the Intel DP67BG P67 which is ONLY a 4+2 Phase MOBO hit >5GHz; BTW the Intel MOBO are horrible! Not a fan of GA MOBOs either... Therefore the GA-P67A-UD4 (rev. 1.0) is sufficient to 'melt' the CPU.

Side-by-Side -> http://www.gigabyte.us/products/comparison/list.aspx?ck=2&pids=3647,3648

R3E's phases will get you to need Nitrogen to max-out the power to the CPU.
- 8-phase CPU power
- 3-phase QPI/DRAM power
- 3-phase NB power
- 3-phase Memory power

I'm not a gamer but I do use my computer for video and I like my computer to stay busy. I multitask a great deal and spend hours on my computer every day. I have a Core 2 Duo and it's now reminding me of my first 486. Therefore, I want to either get the 2600K or wait for Ivy Bridge to get something better and I'd like to overclock to the maximum stable speed, get the fastest memory and have the most important upgrade options (of which I know nothing) because I might keep the board for five years. If improvements are significant enough I might upgrade sooner but right now I'm considering using my next purchase for that long. I also plan on having two large 1080p monitors (26-36") but I only care about enough video capability to not hinder the rest of the computer.

Because I spend so much time on my computer, I have sometime back decided that any noticeable improvement anywhere on my computer is worth the money.

Please recommend the best MB for me.

Some side detail: I just recently read that internal SATA connections are only built to withstand about 50 plug/unplug operations. I have six TB in four drives right now and plan on getting more later for backup and possibly RAID so I want maximum connections. I've not yet gotten a SSD. I'm frugal and waiting for speeds to increase and prices to go down and the problems I've heard about disappear. Part of my point of all that was to say that it's my understanding that the fastest SSDs are not going to be SATA, but until that day comes, I'd like all the SATA rev.3 connections I can get.

I know nothing about EVGA but read that it seems to be your first choice. With all the good things that Gigabyte is doing, I was just about sold on them, but I read your remarks about their lack of Q.C. and I've read quite a few negative things about Asus the last few years from people who claimed to have always used them.

Oh... and I almost forgot to mention. I would really like a silent PC. 😀