Question Gigabyte Z790 UD AC

[unseenhawk]

Hello,

I was planing to get a B760 motherboard for my system but then I found out that a decent B760 equal in price to a budget-mid range Z790 motherboard, at first it was enjoyable to do the search then I started to get frustrated to choose one.

I'm not a gamer but I need a decent system that lasts me some years and some what future proof.

The motherboard I'm looking at now is the Gigabyte Z790 UD AC it's around 195$~200$
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z790-UD-AC-rev-10#kf

Not many decent reviews and I rather have users review than some youtube channel or a site.

I'm not in the US but I can buy from Amazon/Global or newegg, it's not a problem, I just don't want to overpay for something that I'll not utilize like wifi, rgp or some extra ports, I need it sturdy, that can handle the ram speed, and the Vram handle the CPU, and may be a decent audio codec, and yes PCEIe 5.0.

The System I'm building is :
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7QPXQP

I don't have a current GPU only an old 1660 Super so I'm looking at 6700 12GB or may be wait for a 5050 or 5060 not sure, for the monitor I'm aiming for a 4K OLED haven't decided yet.

Thanks in advance.

 

[geofelt]

Looking at the motherboard, I might have said it was ok.
Good power and vrm cooling.
But, I always check newegg user reviews and look at the zero egg comments.
Not for issues such as delivery, but for defect type issues.
That would give my pause on this motherboard:
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E168131...oglekwless-pmax-_-corporate-pmax&gad_source=1

I would avoid the 13600K F version.
The $25 you save by getting the F is a nit on the total build cost and having integrated graphics is very welcome when you are testing graphics cards of having gpu issues.

The value of the K processors is twofold.
The upper clock is a bit higher than the plain 13600.
A K processor can be overclocked.
Overclocking is no longer a way to get something for nothing.
Chips are binned and there is very little headroom.
Motherboards are designed for turbo boost that increases the clock of a few cores past what an all core OC can do.
Gamers need a fast single core most.
To that end, a B760 with good vrm cooling might be a smarter buy.
The MATX versions of B760 are less expensive.

I think one should take a look at the non K products which are 65w TDP units and come with an adequate cooler.
Look at the $240(newegg price) i5-14500 for example. And It is about the same performance as the 13600KF.
20 threads and a passmark rating of 34600/4067. The max turbo is 5.0
34600 is the rating when all threads are 100%busy. 4067 is the single thread performance rating.
The max turbo is 5.0
Games depend most on the performance of the single master thread.
The rating for the$250 Plus a $38 cooler i5-13600KF is 20 threads. 38442/4187.

I would buy a single 2tb m.2 device. There is no performance advantage to two devices and m.2 slots can be scarce.
I would also not pick the more expensive units with heat sinks. Many m.2 devices mount under the graphics card and there may be clearance issues.
Many motherboards will come with cooling pads for the m.2.
Lastly, cooling and throttling comes into play only when running long sequential accesses.
Something we do very little of.

In all other respects, I like the build.

 

[unseenhawk]

Looking at the motherboard, I might have said it was ok.
Good power and vrm cooling.
But, I always check newegg user reviews and look at the zero egg comments.
Not for issues such as delivery, but for defect type issues.
That would give my pause on this motherboard:
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E168131...oglekwless-pmax-_-corporate-pmax&gad_source=1

I would avoid the 13600K F version.
The $25 you save by getting the F is a nit on the total build cost and having integrated graphics is very welcome when you are testing graphics cards of having gpu issues.

The value of the K processors is twofold.
The upper clock is a bit higher than the plain 13600.
A K processor can be overclocked.
Overclocking is no longer a way to get something for nothing.
Chips are binned and there is very little headroom.
Motherboards are designed for turbo boost that increases the clock of a few cores past what an all core OC can do.
Gamers need a fast single core most.
To that end, a B760 with good vrm cooling might be a smarter buy.
The MATX versions of B760 are less expensive.

I think one should take a look at the non K products which are 65w TDP units and come with an adequate cooler.
Look at the $240(newegg price) i5-14500 for example. And youIt is about the same performance as the 13600KF.
20 threads and a passmark rating of 34600/4067.
34600 is the rating when all threads are 100%busy. 4067 is the single thread performance rating.
Games depend most on the performance of the single master thread.
The rating for the$250 Plus a $38 cooler i5-13600KF is 20 threads. 38442/4187.

In all other respects, I like the build.

Hello again geofelt, happy to see you and thanks for taking the time again to help me.

I actually followed your advice on all my build, but I received the CPU as a gift, and returned the 14500 , I've it now and not sure what do with it, I rather keep it .. I don't feel good to return it.

I always look down at mATX not sure why, but if you think it's good, I'll go for it.

Asrock B760m Steel Legend : 205$
https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B760M Steel Legend WiFi/index.asp

Asrock B760 Pro RS WIFI: 185$
https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/B760 Pro RS WiFi/index.asp

Thanks again.

 

[logainofhades]

To be honest PCI-E gen 5 really isn't that big of a deal. By the time it is, you would need a new platform anyway. I would probably choose DDR4, to save money as well. DDR5 doesn't really show a benefit unless you are running top of the line CPU and GPU. Changed to DDR4, added motherboard, and swapped those overpriced 1tb SSD's for 2tb models.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($234.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($37.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z690 Extreme ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GAMING X GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB Video Card ($289.89 @ Amazon)
Case: Antec P10C ATX Mid Tower Case ($166.96 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX-750 ATX 3.0 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit ($211.75 @ Amazon)
Total: $1499.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-08 13:04 EDT-0400

 

[geofelt]

ATX motherboards have 7 expansion slots.
MATX have 4.
How many do you plan to use?
For most, it will only be one, the X16 pcie slot for the gpu.
As to your B760 selections, I might pick the Steel legend which looks like it has been out for a while.

As to the cpu, the 13600KF is a nice gift, keep it.

 

[unseenhawk]

To be honest PCI-E gen 5 really isn't that big of a deal. By the time it is, you would need a new platform anyway. I would probably choose DDR4, to save money as well. DDR5 doesn't really show a benefit unless you are running top of the line CPU and GPU. Changed to DDR4, added motherboard, and swapped those overpriced 1tb SSD's for 2tb models.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor ($234.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($37.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z690 Extreme ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GAMING X GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB Video Card ($289.89 @ Amazon)
Case: Antec P10C ATX Mid Tower Case ($166.96 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS GX-750 ATX 3.0 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM - DVD 64-bit ($211.75 @ Amazon)
Total: $1499.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-05-08 13:04 EDT-0400

Hello, thanks for taking the time to help me, I don't have the knowledge nor the experience to discuss which is better in value or performance.

Here is an article, may be a little outdated but somewhat supports your point of view :
https://www.tomshardware.com/features/ddr5-vs-ddr4-is-it-time-to-upgrade-your-ram

Yesterday, I've spent a decent amount of time thinking about DD4, in a personal desire, I really want to go for a DDR5 since prices settled now.

The Asrock Z690 Extreme is an awesome motherboard, reminds me of the one I've now Z77 Extreme4 still working solid since 12 years.

I took your and geofelt advice, and increase the storage from 1TB to 2TB both without heatsinks, excellent point.

Thanks.

 

[unseenhawk]

To that end, a B760 with good vrm cooling might be a smarter buy.

MSI MAG B760 TOMAHAWK WIFI : 217$
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B760-TOMAHAWK-WIFI

 

[unseenhawk]

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