Give me a little mouse 101... Please & ty

[SKIPPY PB]

I just got into the whole PC thing and put one together. So im relatively ignorant on most topics. I'm looking for a little guidance here. Basically I am trying to figure out how mouses work. I bought counter strike and a Gigabyte M6800 mouse for $12 bucks. It has 800 DPI and 1600 DPI with an on the fly switch button on top. I bought a QCK+ mouse pad.

Now here is the issue. When I move the mouse to quickly across the mouse pad it stops reading the movement and the mouse on screen will abruptly slow down to a near stop and kind of buzz around until I slow down. (For example doing a flick in a first person shooter to another target.)


This brought me to ask a few questions.

First some people said the type of mouse and sensor it has can effect how it reads a certain surface. They said if my mouse is "X" type a solid black surface will be hard for it to pick up movement. Is this statement true?



Second how does DPI effect things? I know DPI is a number of something that can be seen in an inch. I see alot of mice at 3500+ DPI. Now 800 is a ton for me and 400 seems to be enough. Im wondering is there a way to set a mouse to lower DPI settings that you choose?

And also would having a higher DPI setting mean the mouse can pick up changes at a higher speed? If I where to get a 2400 DPI mouse and set it to 400 DPI with a program or something would it be able to read that 400 at a higher speed?


If this is confusing let me know and I will reword it.

 

[Umair Shariff]

Hi, congrats and welcome to the PC Master Race 😀

First Question: There are usually two types of sensors, optical and laser, optical mice have a very good reputation for being the most stable and user friendly and the laser mice have the reputation for being able to work on almost any surface. That being said, since your mouse flickers when making fast movements, you should check for any tiny bumps on the mousepad. The colour of the mouse pad does make a difference, but as far as I've experience its relevant mostly for professional gamers.

Second Question: DPI, as you said, is a measure of the dots in a square inch, when the DPI goes up, the mouse becomes more sensitive to movement and is able to translate small mouse travel to large onscreen travel. About setting the DPI lower than the factory preset, I am sorry to tell you, but it is not possible or recommended, since the balance will be offset and the whole thing can destabilise leaving you with a bricked mouse. So as a measure of precaution, since you already know what DPI you want, choose mice that meet your requirement

Third Question: Higher DPI mean that the mouse can translate small movements to greater speeds, but it only works when you set the mouse to high DPI, at lower DPI's you will get the same travel distance as any other mouse with the same DPI. But, there are a few extra feature you can look for, like acceleration that will get you faster speeds at the cost of a learning curve

 

[SKIPPY PB]

Thanks for the help, maybe its because my mouse is only a 12 dollar mouse why I looses movement at high speeds. I was thinking about upgrading some of the pro CSGO players user the razer mouses but when I look at them most are 3500 DPI or above. Odd because a lot of pros use either 400 DPI or 800 DPI. Some of them say DPI is adjustable. Maybe those more expensive mouses have sensors that are "better" quality and can keep up at higher speeds.

My mouse mat is a steel series QCK+ which is all black cloth. Its relatively new, only gets a little dust on it every few days or so which I then shake off.

This is my mouse: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7M93694714&cm_re=m6800_mouse-_-9SIA7M93694714-_-Product


Would a razer deathadder do when on a QCK+ black mouse pad?

 

[natcha12]

Mice/mats is to me just a preference, just like DPI. I'm currently at 4k DPI with a mouse and mat that cost me just £20 total with plenty of extra side buttons on mouse and a pinky rest which i must have for long sessions

As Umair says, mouse mat does not change alot, it's the mouse that i think matters more, and a deathadder looks cool and it'll work on your mat sure enough

 

[SKIPPY PB]

Mice/mats is to me just a preference, just like DPI. I'm currently at 4k DPI with a mouse and mat that cost me just £20 total with plenty of extra side buttons on mouse and a pinky rest which i must have for long sessions

As Umair says, mouse mat does not change alot, it's the mouse that i think matters more, and a deathadder looks cool and it'll work on your mat sure enough

My current mouse does 800 and 1600 DPI. And I can barely move the mouse on the screen accurately at 1600 DPI unless I move it like a turtle. I have a chart with all the pro CSGO players mice & settings. There all 400 or 800 DPI and I don't see a razer Death Adder available @ 800 DPI. It makes me wonder do they have custom ones made by the company which I doubt or is there a way to set the DPI on Razer mouse's with software.

Only thing is the DeathAdder is like 90 dollars which I really don't feel like spending right now.

 

[natcha12]

You need to be looking for a mouse with custom profiling I think. You can have a lower dpi for one thing like accurate photo editing etc and higher for csgo.

A few notes,
-Make sure to ask owners any specific questions about the mouse (Amazon is good for this)
-You may be OK with just an upshift/downshift dpi button mouse, but check the dpi range, and note that mice which ONLY have this feature call themselves customisable, with nothing other features which it sounds like you want

 

[cats_Paw]

Im not sure your mice is the problem.
People have been using even ball mice for years gaming and that problem was not present.
It seems to me like it might be a driver problem.

Did you install the drivers for your mice from the website of gigabyte?

 

[gamerk316]

Silly question: Does it work without the pad?

 

[James Mason]

For $20, this is a pretty good mouse: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0139S0TN2 (and it comes with a mousepad)
I actually own it. (you can even see my review of it on the page) You can change the DPI levels (it lets you have 3/4 different levels ready to cahgne on the fly) and can range from 250dpi to 2500dpi.

More DPI is better, I believe I go at about 1500~ or so. It means you can make more subtle movements for greater impact. You'll likely have to play with the mouse sensitivity a tad in games though, but thats because every game does it a bit differently.

 

[cats_Paw]

DPI is not "always" better.
Its a matter of personal preference.
In most cases I use quite low DPI myself, unless I use a pure claw/finger grip mice (a VERY small mice).

 

[SKIPPY PB]

After thinking about it, I haven't verified the problem in other scenarios or games for that matter. As of right now I am thinking this may be related to CSGO and some ingame settings potentially.

What I really ment to ask in the beginning is if for example we say a mouse moves 400 DPI which is for the sake of an example say 400 dots on the screen for every 1 inch you move the mouse on the mouse pad. Is there a specification for how many inch's that mouse can read in a given time frame.

So say one mouse can more 500 inch's per second and another could only move 20 inch's per second. Is that a factor?

Im not sure your mice is the problem.
People have been using even ball mice for years gaming and that problem was not present.
It seems to me like it might be a driver problem.

Did you install the drivers for your mice from the website of gigabyte?

I didn't know there where drivers for mice. I can't remember now but I am pretty sure I just plugged it into the USB port and it worked while I installed windows onto the hard drive. I thought all mice where just Plug and Play. I will deffinetly look into that. One thing I just checked tho is checking the mouse on the windows dashboard which I have never done. I can move it at those high speeds on the desktop and it really doesn't get stuck like it does it the game. However I does have mouse acceleration and such on and I might just be hitting the sides of the screen before it has a chance to do it. Maybe my configuration with CSGO is messed up. As this problem only happens with CSGO.

Silly question: Does it work without the pad?

Yes it works without the pad but I don't really use the desk cause its a bit beat up and I don't want to chew the sliders up and mess up my new mouse pad.

For $20, this is a pretty good mouse: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0139S0TN2 (and it comes with a mousepad)
I actually own it. (you can even see my review of it on the page) You can change the DPI levels (it lets you have 3/4 different levels ready to cahgne on the fly) and can range from 250dpi to 2500dpi.

More DPI is better, I believe I go at about 1500~ or so. It means you can make more subtle movements for greater impact. You'll likely have to play with the mouse sensitivity a tad in games though, but thats because every game does it a bit differently.

Personally I like 400 & 800 DPI for a fast setting but I really only play a few FPS games like Payday 2 and CSGO. Although 1600 DPI is nice for CS surfing. I will check out that mouse tho thanks.

Also does anyone know what the razer mouse warranties are because I can't seem to find them on newegg. Do they have any?

 

[Nonpossible]

Mice/mats is to me just a preference, just like DPI. I'm currently at 4k DPI with a mouse and mat that cost me just £20 total with plenty of extra side buttons on mouse and a pinky rest which i must have for long sessions

As Umair says, mouse mat does not change alot, it's the mouse that i think matters more, and a deathadder looks cool and it'll work on your mat sure enough

My current mouse does 800 and 1600 DPI. And I can barely move the mouse on the screen accurately at 1600 DPI unless I move it like a turtle. I have a chart with all the pro CSGO players mice & settings. There all 400 or 800 DPI and I don't see a razer Death Adder available @ 800 DPI. It makes me wonder do they have custom ones made by the company which I doubt or is there a way to set the DPI on Razer mouse's with software.

Only thing is the DeathAdder is like 90 dollars which I really don't feel like spending right now.

Accuracy will come with time. I used to like a slow mouse and eventually settled on setting mine to 1700DPI. Maybe try starting somewhere between where you are comfortable and where it is to high. So if 300 is slow and 1600 is too fast, pick a midpoint and practice at that speed. Then increment by like 100DPI a week until you find exactly what's best for you.

 

[SKIPPY PB]

I think I found the answer I was looking for. If you look at the specifications tab for my mouse you can see that my mouse has a maximum tracking speed of 28 inches per second. And maximum acceleration of 20 g forces. I compared this to a razer deathadder on there website it says it have track at speeds up to 300 inches per second with a maximum acceleration of 50 G's. That was what I was assuming the problem was in the beginning but now I am thinking its the game itself.

This is my mouse: http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=2759#ov

 

[Alberto376]

Thanks for the help, maybe its because my mouse is only a 12 dollar mouse why I looses movement at high speeds. I was thinking about upgrading some of the pro CSGO players user the razer mouses but when I look at them most are 3500 DPI or above. Odd because a lot of pros use either 400 DPI or 800 DPI. Some of them say DPI is adjustable. Maybe those more expensive mouses have sensors that are "better" quality and can keep up at higher speeds.

My mouse mat is a steel series QCK+ which is all black cloth. Its relatively new, only gets a little dust on it every few days or so which I then shake off.

This is my mouse: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7M93694714&cm_re=m6800_mouse-_-9SIA7M93694714-_-Product


Would a razer deathadder do when on a QCK+ black mouse pad?

Hello, im a csgo player and im in a high rank, i say that because you are talking about the game that i usually play so i can give you more info, in my case im using 400dpi (i explain later how to choose your dpi) and 1.6 sensitivity ingame.

Im using actually the Steelseries QCK+ like you and i have a razer deathadder 2013 edition not the new chroma one with colours.
The questions you asking about custom dpi and such is pretty simple, when you buy the mouse you need to install a software from razer called Synapse 2.0, that software allows you to customize a lot of things from all your razer peripherals. In this case we are talking about the mouse, in that one you can change the dpi so you can work with whatever you want until the max dpi that the mouse allows.

About the mouse that you wanna buy you need to know the style of grip that you use for the mouse to optimize results, there are 3 kinds of grip:
Palm style, Claw style, Fingertip style.
Here you have an image for better understanding http://

And now about the mouses my recomendations:
Palm style: Razer DeathAdder 2013 edition (Dont go for the chroma if you dont need the colours and stuff because the extra money is just for that) or Logitech G502.
Claw style: Zowie (FK2), it is affordable and really good even tho is not the most known mouse.
Fingertip style: Razer Abyssus, SteelSeries Kinzu V2 pro.

I hope than that helps you, feel free to ask any question and if you wanna play one day im always up.

 

[Nonpossible]

I think I found the answer I was looking for. If you look at the specifications tab for my mouse you can see that my mouse has a maximum tracking speed of 28 inches per second. And maximum acceleration of 20 g forces. I compared this to a razer deathadder on there website it says it have track at speeds up to 300 inches per second with a maximum acceleration of 50 G's. That was what I was assuming the problem was in the beginning but now I am thinking its the game itself.

This is my mouse: http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=2759#ov

I have a deathadder 2013 and I love it. Best gaming mouse I have ever owned. Simple design and durable for sure.

 

[SKIPPY PB]

Thanks for the help, maybe its because my mouse is only a 12 dollar mouse why I looses movement at high speeds. I was thinking about upgrading some of the pro CSGO players user the razer mouses but when I look at them most are 3500 DPI or above. Odd because a lot of pros use either 400 DPI or 800 DPI. Some of them say DPI is adjustable. Maybe those more expensive mouses have sensors that are "better" quality and can keep up at higher speeds.

My mouse mat is a steel series QCK+ which is all black cloth. Its relatively new, only gets a little dust on it every few days or so which I then shake off.

This is my mouse: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7M93694714&cm_re=m6800_mouse-_-9SIA7M93694714-_-Product


Would a razer deathadder do when on a QCK+ black mouse pad?

Hello, im a csgo player and im in a high rank, i say that because you are talking about the game that i usually play so i can give you more info, in my case im using 400dpi (i explain later how to choose your dpi) and 1.6 sensitivity ingame.

Im using actually the Steelseries QCK+ like you and i have a razer deathadder 2013 edition not the new chroma one with colours.
The questions you asking about custom dpi and such is pretty simple, when you buy the mouse you need to install a software from razer called Synapse 2.0, that software allows you to customize a lot of things from all your razer peripherals. In this case we are talking about the mouse, in that one you can change the dpi so you can work with whatever you want until the max dpi that the mouse allows.

About the mouse that you wanna buy you need to know the style of grip that you use for the mouse to optimize results, there are 3 kinds of grip:
Palm style, Claw style, Fingertip style.
Here you have an image for better understanding http://

And now about the mouses my recomendations:
Palm style: Razer DeathAdder 2013 edition (Dont go for the chroma if you dont need the colours and stuff because the extra money is just for that) or Logitech G502.
Claw style: Zowie (FK2), it is affordable and really good even tho is not the most known mouse.
Fingertip style: Razer Abyssus, SteelSeries Kinzu V2 pro.

I hope than that helps you, feel free to ask any question and if you wanna play one day im always up.

Hey thanks,

I'm only LE right now and you probably don't want to Q with me because Valve is messing with me hard. Three games in a row everyone was speaking Chinese and no English. Half my games I get trolls or atleast one toxic player.

Anyway I do palm or fingertip grips depending on the situation. I have been looking at the deathadder's for a little while but don't really want to fork up 70-80 USD for one just yet. I was thinking about buying a knock off on ebay tho for say 20-30 bucks. But im not sure if its even worth it. I think im going to go to a store and try them all out before I make a purchase though.


How can I record my screen, similiar to a stream so I can show everyone what I am talking about with the mouse.

 

[Alberto376]

Thanks for the help, maybe its because my mouse is only a 12 dollar mouse why I looses movement at high speeds. I was thinking about upgrading some of the pro CSGO players user the razer mouses but when I look at them most are 3500 DPI or above. Odd because a lot of pros use either 400 DPI or 800 DPI. Some of them say DPI is adjustable. Maybe those more expensive mouses have sensors that are "better" quality and can keep up at higher speeds.

My mouse mat is a steel series QCK+ which is all black cloth. Its relatively new, only gets a little dust on it every few days or so which I then shake off.

This is my mouse: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7M93694714&cm_re=m6800_mouse-_-9SIA7M93694714-_-Product


Would a razer deathadder do when on a QCK+ black mouse pad?

Hello, im a csgo player and im in a high rank, i say that because you are talking about the game that i usually play so i can give you more info, in my case im using 400dpi (i explain later how to choose your dpi) and 1.6 sensitivity ingame.

Im using actually the Steelseries QCK+ like you and i have a razer deathadder 2013 edition not the new chroma one with colours.
The questions you asking about custom dpi and such is pretty simple, when you buy the mouse you need to install a software from razer called Synapse 2.0, that software allows you to customize a lot of things from all your razer peripherals. In this case we are talking about the mouse, in that one you can change the dpi so you can work with whatever you want until the max dpi that the mouse allows.

About the mouse that you wanna buy you need to know the style of grip that you use for the mouse to optimize results, there are 3 kinds of grip:
Palm style, Claw style, Fingertip style.
Here you have an image for better understanding http://

And now about the mouses my recomendations:
Palm style: Razer DeathAdder 2013 edition (Dont go for the chroma if you dont need the colours and stuff because the extra money is just for that) or Logitech G502.
Claw style: Zowie (FK2), it is affordable and really good even tho is not the most known mouse.
Fingertip style: Razer Abyssus, SteelSeries Kinzu V2 pro.

I hope than that helps you, feel free to ask any question and if you wanna play one day im always up.

Hey thanks,

I'm only LE right now and you probably don't want to Q with me because Valve is messing with me hard. Three games in a row everyone was speaking Chinese and no English. Half my games I get trolls or atleast one toxic player.

Anyway I do palm or fingertip grips depending on the situation. I have been looking at the deathadder's for a little while but don't really want to fork up 70-80 USD for one just yet. I was thinking about buying a knock off on ebay tho for say 20-30 bucks. But im not sure if its even worth it. I think im going to go to a store and try them all out before I make a purchase though.


How can I record my screen, similiar to a stream so I can show everyone what I am talking about with the mouse.

I use OBS (open broadcaster) is a free program that everyone uses to stream or record videos. Send me your steam profile link if you want so i can add you.

 

[SKIPPY PB]

I ended up getting a Razer Deathadder from Amazon - 6400 DPI which I got for $30

you get a program called synapse that allows you to control mouse functions such as DPI which I set to 800. Mouse track at up to 200 inches per second according to the specifications which is an improvement over my last mouses 20" per second. I must say as of right now I am not liking the feel all that much. I am not used to it yet however the grip on the exterior of the mouse is a bit slippery for my taste. I haven't found a good hand position for it. Best so far is sort of a finger tip style. Supposedly its a palm style mouse however my palm can't even touch the mouse when held it floats above it. It is a good mouse so far however. The durability test is now what remains.