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What would you change, keeping the price similar?


BUILD
CPU

Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor


CPU Cooler

Noctua - NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler

Motherboard

Asus - MAXIMUS IX HERO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard

Memory

Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory

Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory


Storage

OCZ - RD400 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive

Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive


Video Card

Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB STRIX GAMING Video Card


Case

Cooler Master - MasterCase Pro 5 ATX Mid Tower Case


Power Supply

Corsair - RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply

 
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raisonjohn
On a general basis, the power consumption of a typical PC revolves around two main power-hungry components: the GPU and the CPU. The rest of the components would have a smaller cut of the pie (but still important to be estimated).

Nvidia GPUs are known for high performance and significantly lower power consumption; while AMD GPUs are known for higher power consumption (on a similar performance-basis). Single GPU setup vs multi-GPU setup also plays a crucial role in power supply requirements. Planning ahead if you intend to stick with a single GPU (recommended) or do a multi-GPU (for whatever reasons) setup will affect the PSU requirements you have to get (as the GPU is the most...
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It's a good build.

Some suggestions:
- I don't see the point in the Maximus series as the Asus Strix boards come usually with all the features one needs and are a tad cheaper.
- buy RAM in a kit. If you want 32GB RAM get a 4x8GB or a 2x16GB kit instead of 2 2x8GB kits.
- the 1080Tis perform all around the same. Depending on your location the pricing of the Strix might be brand taxing you a lot. I've seen the Strix cards being up to 150$ more than similar cards from MSI, Zotac, Inno3d or Gigabyte.
- a 650W PSU would suffice (however the 750W will run nearly silent)

If streaming/editing is a priority for you
And if you don't own a 144Hz display
I'd probably go with a Ryzen 1700 instead. Will perform better when streaming/editing and get you at least 100fps in any title.
 
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You did not list the price, so, I am assuming you will be spending this much for those components listed:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($326.47 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($69.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus - MAXIMUS IX HERO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($216.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($126.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($126.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: OCZ - RD400 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($171.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB STRIX GAMING Video Card ($1079.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterCase Pro 5 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2376.22
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-07-03 04:37 EDT-0400

Instead of spending $2376.22, I would change the parts to this, esp. for the purpose of the PC you mentioned:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($294.49 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($83.78 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX B350-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($96.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($126.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($127.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card ($714.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterCase Pro 5 ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1701.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-07-03 04:58 EDT-0400
 
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Thanks for the advices! This is a generic build before going into de store. I do intente on checking the prices before xD the model of the gpu is pret much chosen, but the brand it yet to be discussed. I did not know that about the ram, ty. About the MOBO i don't actually know much about, i did some research but the all seam way to similar for me to tell the difference, i just want to make shure that with the build i' making i do not get a board that cant use it all in it's best... The 750 was chosen because if i do get the founds in the near future i do intend to by other 1080 ti.
Also i did some research on the ryzen, and i wasnt encouraged about it, besides owning a 144h screen i never worked with amd b4 and to be fair i dont feel like changing that.... probably being stupid but until someone manage to convince me that the couple bucks i will save can gave e at leat the same as the i7 i'll stick with it
 
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Thanks for the advice! I'm not sure that Ryzen is the go now, i spook with some people that used rizen7 for a while in the day-to-day base and they werent much pleased with it... many imcompatibilities, many uknown errors. I never used anything from AMD before, so i cant tell my experience, but assuming you are a user with some taskes like mine, are you happy with Ryzen?
 
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Thanks for the advice! And many thanks for the work you put there! I do not live in the US, but i'm assuming prices here are somewhat similar... I have many people telling me to go Ryzen, For 40 bucks, you think it's worth? About the cooling, i read alot about water/air cooling and it seem to have the same performance, or vary similar, but with a hell more noise... not sure never used water radiator before, what's your opinion? I dont know the diference betwin the m.2 but the price is way beter so thanks! so last question if you were to stick with intel, what would you change?
 
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You're welcome! Definitely worth it to go with Ryzen due to better price/performance, upgradability, and the specific purpose of your PC. As of today, the i5's and the i7's have lowered in value due to competition. The i7-7700K is still a good gaming CPU, with 4-core/8-thread (which games are already taking advantage of). But the Ryzen 7 1700 (8-core/16-thread) has better value and, arguably (depending on specific games), have slightly similar performance. Since you mentioned you want to game AND stream/edit, the higher core/thread count would be to your benefit. Gaming as far as these CPUs are concerned, doesn't have that wide a performance gap, as compared to GPUs, since the more important and noticeable difference in FPS is highly dependent on the GPU.

As for liquid (AIO) vs air cooling, AIOs can easily be matched in performance by good-quality air coolers (such as the ones mentioned above). Picking one over the other is also a matter of preference. AIOs have the advantage of keeping the interior "cleaner" due to non-bulky heatsink and, with larger/wider radiators, have better heat dissipation due to the larger surface area compared to air coolers. Disadvantages of AIOs are lesser price/performance, more power consumption and noise (fans + pump), maintenance and the *possibility* of leaks (it does happen - and if and when it does, keep fingers crossed that no other components would be damaged).

Now, if, say, you really prefer an Intel platform, this would be my modifications to your original parts list to lower the costs (but still maintain the performance level you envision):

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($326.47 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Dark Rock 3 67.8 CFM Fluid Dynamic Bearing CPU Cooler ($64.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - Z270 SLI PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($133.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($135.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($127.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card ($714.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1705.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-07-03 05:51 EDT-0400

*Note that I would still recommend the Ryzen build over the Intel build above.
 
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Thanks for the advices once again! What about power consumption? Is is even worth mentioning or is equal betwin the both? I notice someone that refer that if i do not have and 144h screen should choose Ryzen, doesn't it run on 144h? I'm sorry if i'm seeming picky but i this is not my expert área and i do intent to know the best i can before investing this Money. Also, you allways make the build with 16 ram, do you think 32 is overkill?
 
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games right now rarely utilize even the 16gb (some can utilize up to 9-10, but never maxed out the whole 16), so getting the 16gb would be the better choice right now, u can always add extra RAM later on.
because of Ryzen's low single core speed (compared to kabylake) in terms of gaming the fps mostly won't be as high as using 7700k
144hz screen is fine, but if ur fps doesn't reach it, then why bought it in the first place? (but technically, 1080ti can play at 1080p and 1440p with lots of fps)
for the power consumption it depends on how you're using them and how much u're going to OC them, i think
u said somthing about ryzen having few compability issues, well this is bound to happen, it's a new stuff... people will add patches and updates later on to fix this.
(to be honest, my PC sucks [u can see in my info], coz i don't have that kind of a budget to afford high end stuff [i barely afford the low end stuff], this is all based on theories, readings, logic, and benchmarks people did...)
 
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On a general basis, the power consumption of a typical PC revolves around two main power-hungry components: the GPU and the CPU. The rest of the components would have a smaller cut of the pie (but still important to be estimated).

Nvidia GPUs are known for high performance and significantly lower power consumption; while AMD GPUs are known for higher power consumption (on a similar performance-basis). Single GPU setup vs multi-GPU setup also plays a crucial role in power supply requirements. Planning ahead if you intend to stick with a single GPU (recommended) or do a multi-GPU (for whatever reasons) setup will affect the PSU requirements you have to get (as the GPU is the most power-hungry component in a PC).

Intel 7th-gen CPUs that are non-OC'able (non-"K" models) have less power draw compared to the same CPUs that are OC'able ("K" models). AMD Ryzen CPUs are all OC'able, but those with non-"X" models (recommended) are rated only at 65W TDP, while those "X" models are rated much higher at 95W TDP.

Ideally, you want your average estimated power draw to be in the neighborhood of 50% of the PSU's +12V rail supplied power - as this 50% is the point at which PSU's have the highest efficiency.

CPUs (Intel or AMD) have no bearing on the refresh rate (144Hz or other) of your monitor. It is the GPU that matters.

If you don't have a 144Hz monitor (such as a 1080p/144Hz or a 1440p/144Hz), then, there is no point getting a GTX 1080 Ti, as you can spend for much much less getting a different GPU (such as the GTX 1080 or GTX 1070) that would still be capable to output 100fps in most games, irrespective of the CPU. So, the point was, why spend more money on an i7-7700K when you can get the same performance for the AMD Ryzen at a much lower price.

As for the RAM, the minimum RAM capacity in this day and age is 8GB. Having 8GB is enough for all games - it will be playable. Certain games (not all) recommend a 16GB capacity - which is slowly becoming the norm (and possibly, in the future). Thus, a 16GB ensures longevity, in preparation for those types of games that may benefit from larger capacity RAM, without you changing/upgrading the same RAM you bought today.

When it comes to productivity (not gaming), the 8GB "might" be too tight if you are into heavy workstation/editing/multimedia. Thus, the 16GB is highly recommended - and for now, a sweet-spot for price/performance. 32GB, in my opinion, only applies if you are using the PC professionally for such multimedia/editing works - where speed/time is of the essence (deadlines). In short, 32GB is overkill.
 
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Power consumption is similar, no real difference.

The thing with 144Hz -as of today- is that a 7700k can push 144+FPS at most times while the Ryzen doesn't peak as high (but has overall the more stable FPS due to the additional resources. A 7700k may experience some FPS drops at times, the Ryzen doesn't so much)
If you're fine with 115-125fps then Ryzen is the way to go.

16GB RAM is enough for gaming.
For editing or some sandbox games with loads of assets 32GB can come handy.
 
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