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I think you should look at the galaxy 3 again. It is an exact copy and not just its a rectangle. Except for the additional buttons below the screen you would think its a 3gs.

Software wise I agree with you.
 
It's pretty darn obvious that most of us at Toms are PC fans. This isn't Macworld. Personally I love seeing people bash Apple. But I honestly have to wonder, how is Apple the wealthiest business in the world? It baffles my mind that such a pathetic company with dubious business practices still exists. And the consumers of their products... It scares me, literally, that our world is populated by so many mind numb, ignorant people. Not stupid, but ignorant. Apple is "trendy" and all these hipster 20somethings(that use Apple) are so self absorbed that they just do not realize that they are being taken to the cleaners with exorbitant prices, sub-par hardware, and innovation "borrowed" from people who didn't patent there products first.
Being in the IT business since 1989, I have seen and done just about everything from fixing Packard bells to managing over 1700 servers worldwide and Apple's cultish fan base is what is stifling new technology and the PC Era. A lot of lost sales to deserving hardware and software companies with BETTER products and LOWER prices because 'little Suzy wanna-be-popular girl had daddy go buy her a Macbook for $2300 so she could use Facebook 24/7 and have a glowing picture of a fruit.
It's going to take ALL OF US, to educate the people we run into every day about WHY Apple is not the intelligent choice. But we have to do it responsibly. Don't be tempted to bash them with insults like "ur stupid cause you paid 3x more than I did and my ____ is faster than Mac!"
BUT, once thing that I think Apple users can, and DO throw in our face is Apples customer service. It's second to none and even I will admit that. But if I pay twice what something is worth I would expect as much.

So sorry for the long speech. But remember, we all have to do our part to maturely educate Apple users so that the money will go into these tech companies who truly innovate.
 
Boycott Apple. Uninstall iTunes, Buy your music and movies from Amazon, use the amazon cloud instead of apple's shitcloud. Buy Windows. Buy Surface tablet. Buy WP or Android. Don't buy Apple. *
 
Boycott Apple. Uninstall Windows. Buy your music and movies from Amazon, use the amazon cloud instead of apple's shitcloud. Buy Windows. Buy Surface tablet. Buy WP or Android. Don't buy Apple.
 
Hopefully the end result of this patent abuse from Apple would be a major revision of how patents are granted and how they may interfere with product technological advances.
 

I wouldn't go as far as buying Windows. MS isn't much better with Win8. Get Linux. Buy more Android tablets.
 
[citation][nom]filmman03[/nom]@Device Unknown,I completely understand where you are coming from. Since I was a kid; I was always into computers. Building them, playing PC games and editing video.Now that I am grown up in my mid-20's and in the film/television industry I am saddened by how pathetic Apple really has become.I can recall in high school the craze of the iPod; everyone had them (especially since I went to a college prep all boys Catholic HS where everyone's parents were rich), but I didn't have one. I had an MP3 player from Sandisk. I liked it so much better than the iPod for the very reason of being able to just drag n drop my music/videos onto it w/o having to use a POS program like iTunes.Fast forwarding to film school.... I started realizing that the entertainment industry used Apple's Mac Pro's for editing/sound design. The industry was split on Avid Media Composer & Final Cut at the time (2007-2008ish).After I started working; every company I worked for and continue to work for use Mac Pro's. Understandable as they are rather reliable (MOST of the time) b/c they are built on Unix. I also own a refurb MacBook Pro just for the purpose of work. I still have a beast PC that NO Mac can touch as far as performance and/or gaming is concerned.Mac's have better utilities/programs (I will never called PROGRAMS "APPS" lol) for the work I do (encoding, transcoding, etc) but that's it. Their OS "Snow Leopard" is by far the best I think, Lion is a joke and sucks. As far as their business model; its terrible. I've heard rumors that b/c of the current market for light-weight being the "thing" nowadays, Apple may not continue the Mac Pro's. Not sure the validity of that; but it scares me to think they Apple is going away from that as the business I am in needs them badly. They obviously completely FAILED with Final Cut X and now the industry is moving back towards Avid as Avid Media Composer 6 is x64 bit and stable.Apple is focusing on its mobile market and its light-weight solutions; that's great and all, but they DON'T INNOVATE CRAP! They weren't the first on touch screen phones or tablets or making a thin laptop or creating an mp3 player. They take other people's ideas or solutions, add the eye-candy that is Apple and patent it... When someone wants to compete w/ Apple and create something whether from scratch or taking from other's ideas/solutions Apple says, "Whoa! No you can't do that". Its stupid, irresponsible and pathetic.Sooner or later; these Apple fanboys will come to realize that the company they adore completely sucks and isn't out to create a great experience with their products but rather, just to take people's money and sue the competition.One thing I have for Apple is; Get some Balls. People are going to compete with you; not b/c your crap is "better" but b/c ppl are dumb enough to invest $500 per year in a "new" iPhone or iPad or iPod.o and the galaxy s 3 doesn't look anything like the iphone 3gs.... my fiance has the galaxy s3 and i have a free 3gs.... BIG differences in the following: 1. s3 is slim, bigger screen, different buttons. 2. software on the 3gs is compete junk, slow and clunky. s3 is fast and reliable. 3. resolution is crap on the 3gs while the s3 is clear and beautiful. 4. clarity; the 3gs sounds like crap when trying to listen to someone on the phone while the s3 sounds great.Apple is junk.[/citation]

I don't think you understand the difference between invention and innovation. Invention is to create something new, innovation is to create something that is more effective. Apple does not invent things (or at least not many things), they innovate things. They did not invent the mp3 player, the touch screen phone, the tablet or the thin laptop. They did innovate technologies that made those products successful, though.

As a said in an earlier post:
Name a successful hard drive based MP3 player that existed before the iPod.
A successful multi-touch, keyless smart phone before the iPhone.
A successful tablet PC before the iPad.
A successful (or any) ultrabook before the Macbook Air.
A successful "App Store" type business model before the Apple App Store.
A successful online music/video download store before the iTunes store.

How about a successful desktop OS with mouse support before Mac OS?
A mainstream window based GUI before Mac OS?

Apple takes things that aren't successful but have potential, then work to make them successful through engineering, aesthetics and pop culture. I don't agree with how litigious they can be at times, but that doesn't equate to not being innovative. Those two factors are mutually exclusive.
 
F*CK Apple. Apple rips off the consumer by implementing insignificant changes/updates to their predecessor products and then has the nerve to overprice them. After hearing this litigation, I definitely will never buy an Apple product again. This message was typed from my Mac Pro 2010 Hackintosh.
 
[citation][nom]urbanman2004[/nom]F*CK Apple. Apple rips off the consumer by implementing insignificant changes/updates to their predecessor products and then has the nerve to overprice them. After hearing this litigation, I definitely will never buy an Apple product again. This message was typed from my Mac Pro 2010 Hackintosh.[/citation]

Nobody makes people buy Apple products. You can't be ripped off unless you're obligated to buy something, and since nobody is obligated to buy an iPhone, it's obviously a choice. If people are making a CHOICE to buy Apple products, it's because they want them.
 
[citation][nom]chomlee[/nom]One simple solution to all of this is to be realistic when it comes to software patents. In the IT industry, things are outdated within a year. Therefore, it would make sense that you treat software patents similar to drug patents and only allow them for 5 years. There also needs to be a way of invalidating patents if it can be proven that not enough research was done when the patent was granted. Sorry, but there is not innovation in bounce back and pinch to zoom (that was done in many movies in the 90s way before Apple said came up with it). These things are so arbitrary, they should never be granted.I used to prepare some patents in the 90s and the things we had to go through to prove it was innovative was rediculus. Now, you just submit it enough times and eventually it will be approved.[/citation]

Excellent point. Apple deserves some credit for "bounceback" and some of their great ideas. (which they did legitimately spend like 5 years and millions and millions researching) They dont, however deserve to collect patent fees on every touchscreen device for the next 30 years, or to keep competition out of the business.

Samsung should just be charged, say ... a $1 billion fee ... then it should be permitted to go back to copying Apple designs patent and lawsuit free.
 
Riddle me this...

Apple invents the newton pda which is a complete dud.
the idea is then taken up by other companies and made successful Palm, HP, Dell etc.
Smart phones are invented by companies like Ericsson and Nokia.
Microsoft/Acer/Oqo and a whole bunch of other companies invent the tablet PC
Apple then steals/borrows ideas from those companies and then combines them into something that looks like a PDA but acts like a cell phone.
Along comes google + motorolla and then samsung and they think ooh thats a good idea lets combine some more ideas and make a more successful product.
Apple seeing a threat to its monopoly calls in the lawyers to stop its competitors from selling superior products.

At what point did apple create an entirely new invention?
ah you guessed it when they created the newton which was a complete flop.
from that point on.. apple borrowed ideas from its competitors to build a better newton.
without borrowing/stealing ideas from said competitors there would be no Iphone today.

this process is called evolution/innovation.

and now apple are trying to do everything they can to kill this process..

ahem *monopoly*
 
[citation][nom]theabsinthehare[/nom]I don't think you understand the difference between invention and innovation. Invention is to create something new, innovation is to create something that is more effective. Apple does not invent things (or at least not many things), they innovate things. They did not invent the mp3 player, the touch screen phone, the tablet or the thin laptop. They did innovate technologies that made those products successful, though. As a said in an earlier post:Name a successful hard drive based MP3 player that existed before the iPod.A successful multi-touch, keyless smart phone before the iPhone.A successful tablet PC before the iPad.A successful (or any) ultrabook before the Macbook Air.A successful "App Store" type business model before the Apple App Store.A successful online music/video download store before the iTunes store.How about a successful desktop OS with mouse support before Mac OS? A mainstream window based GUI before Mac OS? Apple takes things that aren't successful but have potential, then work to make them successful through engineering, aesthetics and pop culture. I don't agree with how litigious they can be at times, but that doesn't equate to not being innovative. Those two factors are mutually exclusive.[/citation]

The distinction between invention and innovation is exactly the point. An invention can be patented; an innovation cannot. Apple (for the most part) does not invent. They innovate. And now they are crying foul when another company does the same.

IMO, none of the patents in question can be legitimately classified as inventions, and as such, should not be eligible for patents in the first place. Scroll to Unlock? Thank god nobody had the foresight 20 years ago to patent "Type password to unlock" or the entire computer industry would be at the mercy of that company.

Apple has borrowed A LOT from many different sources. I find it disingenuous and irritating that having reached the success that they now have, they feel it necessary to go after other companies that are doing the same.

Apple deserves much of the success they have obtained. They brought a form of nerdyness to the masses and made things accessible to people who would have otherwise been intimidated by technology. But now that they have such a commanding presence in the industry, the more commendable thing to do would be to continue to innovate to retain that position.
 
I do think this was the correct ruling based on current patent laws.

That said, I also think that the current patent laws are WAY out of date, and need to be change or at the very least upgraded for the technological world.
 
Patent system is crap.
Outdated, as many of other cases on IT related issues. Internet Privacy, Virus Intrusions, Data Gathering Services (when it gets on internet, its forever there) etc.

I think the old laws about this should be renewed. Even the basics should do good for that. How do we define computer science? Hardware+Software.

Software driving iPhone and Samsung S3? Different, pretty darn different coding there.
Hardware driving the device? Different touch screens, different pcb/chipset (?), with similar processors, different body construction (similar looks, but the schematics quite different)

And the similarities within the GUI ... come on, seriously? If my law firm would have to rely on that to win a case, i'd be dying of embarrasment of my law habilities.
 
The isheeps will learn one day, it is just going to take them a little longer. I don't blame them either, it is not their fault they were born at the top of the stairs.
 
[citation][nom]theabsinthehare[/nom]I'd like to cover my bases first: I'm no Apple fanboy. I dual boot Xubuntu and Win7 and my mobile devices are Android based. I don't hate Apple though. I appreciate them for their innovations.With that said, here's the thing: Many people claim to hate Apple and all their products. They despise Apple. But then, every time Apple releases something new and successful EVERY OTHER company starts churning out that product with slight changes. How many successful hard drive based MP3 players existed before the iPod? None. (One terrible one existed, the Archos Jukebox. The interface made it a horror to use)How many successful multi-touch, keyless smartphones existed before the iPhone? None.Successful tablet computers before the iPad? None (Because people kept trying to put desktop OS on them)"App Store" type business models before the App Store? One. Steam. But Steam functions somewhat differently in that it is mostly operating system independent. The new "App Stores" are all for their specific operating system. Now, of course, Apple didn't straight out invent these things. They saw things that had potential and added the software and some hardware engineering to get rid of the problems that were keeping them from being successful. But, everyone wants to hate Apple. You 'hate' them, and then you buy hardware that heavily borrowed from their innovations. I have no problems with competition borrowing, but it's this ridiculous mindset of badmouthing Apple product and design and then lusting after something that is almost exactly the same "But it's not Apple!"What kind of complex do you think you'd have if everyone always shat all over you, despite your innovations, then bought up the next generation of products that were heavily based on those innovations? I'm sure you'd be pissed and you'd go after those companies with a vengeance, public appearance be damned.[/citation]

I think most of the dislike of Apple stems from its business practices. Although a fair amount is about the overpricing, the app store censorship etc. I know most large tech companies and companies in other industries move their manufacturing offshore, but Apple tries to have this "we are for the people" persona that has ironically pulled the wool over the isheep's eyes. And I am not sure there are many of the aforementioned companies are based in taxing state like California and move their "head office" into Nevada where there are no state taxes solely for the purpose of screwing Californians out of tax revenue. That is the kind of stuff that accounts for most of the disdain for Apple.
 


The newton wasn't even original. That too borrowed upon previous ideas. Apple has always been a complete flop when it comes to originality and innovation. I don't think they've ever had an original hardware product since the Apple II. Their last original software was OS 9, which from what I hear was terrible. Then they based OS X on UNIX.
 
Samsung had no chance with the jury because of Apple's lapdog named Lucy Koh; Samsung needs -- will? -- appeal this, and they need to do so in front of a true impartial judge which Koh was not!
 
[citation][nom]filmman03[/nom]@theabsinthehareJapan has been the leader in electronics for how long? The answers you request can be found on the interwebs. Just about EVERYTHING Apple has taken from other companies and "innovated" have been from other successful products.- Where is there a "hard drive" based MP3 player? From my knowledge they are flash based. Even the Sandisk Sansa I had which was well b4 the iPod craze.- Japan I'm sure had the multi-touch smart phones b4 iPhone.- Tablets have existed well b4 the iPad and some successful and some not. The Fujisitsu laptop/tablet?- I'm sure there were laptops out there that weighed less than the Air well b4 the Air came out in 2007?- "App Store" isn't really an innovation from Apple. They took what others were using for other things like consoles and just ported it to their line of junk mobile devies. Successful yes; but not taken from "unsuccessful" companies.- eh iTunes.... was it able to download music/video online with the first versions? Or was that after several patches/updates did they finally open iTunes to online?- the OS w/ mouse support being successful? Where? LOL i grew up on MS-DOS and Windows 3.1. Pretty sure the early flavors of Mac OS were terrible as Windows is STILL the dominate OS on the market for computers. Mainstream; yea maybe but reliable? Ha. No. And no they don't just take things that are unsuccessful and make "successful" by applying their engineering, aesthetics and the influence of pop culture lol They may do that however they also take things from successful companies and do what they don't like ppl to do to them. They are in essence, hypocrites.[/citation]

So, you failed to do anything I asked for.

Yes, the MP3 players before the iPod were flash based, which is why they were limited to storage sizes of ~16MB at the time. That's why the iPod was such a big deal. It allowed 5GB of storage because it used a small hard drive.

I didn't ask for conjecture that Japan "might have a multi touch phone before the iPhone." I said name one. You can't because they didn't. Multi-touch was invented by a company called Fingerworks and patented in 2001. Fingerworks is a subsidiary of Apple, and the iPhone was the first phone to use the technology.

Tablets before the iPad (Specifically Microsoft's) were too heavy and used desktop operating systems. Windows depends on the ability to right click. How do you right click on a non-multitouch tablet? Problems like these kept (which Apple corrected with the iPad) kept them from being successful. The "Fujitsu" tablet you're talking about was the Poqet PC, which was not a tablet, but a fold up type device with a keyboard on one side and a screen on the other. They are considered "subnotebooks."

You keep saying "I'm sure there was" and then don't back up what you're saying with any evidence. It's not about the weight of the Macbook air; it's the screen size and power to weight/thickness ratio. There was only one thinner laptop before the Air, and it was the Mitsubishi Pedion and it was only thinner by 0.036 inches, cost $6,000 and failed miserably.

You really need to stop saying "Pretty sure" and do some actual research. The original Mac OS was lightyears ahead of Windows 1.0. Here are some screenshots:
Windows 1.0: http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/files/library/20101014windows1.jpg
Mac OS 1.0: http://nd.edu/~jvanderk/sysone/main.gif

Which of those looks more user friendly?

 
I still don't understand how apple thinks this is going to work out for them. Piss of the Asian parts manufacturers enough and they will just boycot you. I'm sure there is an article in Korea right now "Apple steals $1B from Korean workers for making rectangle shaped phone"

That has to be awesome PR...
 
@theabsinthehare

Apples innovation lies at their design and marketing team. That is it. They make beautiful product that have always been form over functionality, this has been the opposite of the industry until lately. Phones and laptops are 'copying' Apples form, people are willing to pay more for something that is 'cool'.

They have made beautiful products and marketed them amazingly. Unfortunately as the rest of the industry has made 'prettier' products and public perception has changed all Apple is willing to do now is litigate.
 
[citation][nom]theabsinthehare[/nom]I don't think you understand the difference between invention and innovation. Invention is to create something new, innovation is to create something that is more effective. Apple does not invent things (or at least not many things), they innovate things. They did not invent the mp3 player, the touch screen phone, the tablet or the thin laptop. They did innovate technologies that made those products successful, though. As a said in an earlier post:Name a successful hard drive based MP3 player that existed before the iPod.A successful multi-touch, keyless smart phone before the iPhone.A successful tablet PC before the iPad.A successful (or any) ultrabook before the Macbook Air.A successful "App Store" type business model before the Apple App Store.A successful online music/video download store before the iTunes store.How about a successful desktop OS with mouse support before Mac OS? A mainstream window based GUI before Mac OS? Apple takes things that aren't successful but have potential, then work to make them successful through engineering, aesthetics and pop culture. I don't agree with how litigious they can be at times, but that doesn't equate to not being innovative. Those two factors are mutually exclusive.[/citation]
A successful desktop OS before the Mac OS and successful computer with mouse before the Macintosh? That is simple, the AmigaOS and the Amiga series computers. Even though the Mac OS and the Macintosh came one year earlier, they weren't a success. The Commodore Amiga was perhaps the first "modern" computer that got general people into computing. Not only that it was also the first computer that really started to be using as a medium to deliver art, like CGI, music,... It took quite a few year for Apple to catch up.
 
[citation][nom]theabsinthehare[/nom]So, you failed to do anything I asked for. Yes, the MP3 players before the iPod were flash based, which is why they were limited to storage sizes of ~16MB at the time. That's why the iPod was such a big deal. It allowed 5GB of storage because it used a small hard drive.I didn't ask for conjecture that Japan "might have a multi touch phone before the iPhone." I said name one. You can't because they didn't. Multi-touch was invented by a company called Fingerworks and patented in 2001. Fingerworks is a subsidiary of Apple, and the iPhone was the first phone to use the technology.Tablets before the iPad (Specifically Microsoft's) were too heavy and used desktop operating systems. Windows depends on the ability to right click. How do you right click on a non-multitouch tablet? Problems like these kept (which Apple corrected with the iPad) kept them from being successful. The "Fujitsu" tablet you're talking about was the Poqet PC, which was not a tablet, but a fold up type device with a keyboard on one side and a screen on the other. They are considered "subnotebooks."You keep saying "I'm sure there was" and then don't back up what you're saying with any evidence. It's not about the weight of the Macbook air; it's the screen size and power to weight/thickness ratio. There was only one thinner laptop before the Air, and it was the Mitsubishi Pedion and it was only thinner by 0.036 inches, cost $6,000 and failed miserably.You really need to stop saying "Pretty sure" and do some actual research. The original Mac OS was lightyears ahead of Windows 1.0. Here are some screenshots:Windows 1.0: http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsof [...] ndows1.jpgMac OS 1.0: http://nd.edu/~jvanderk/sysone/main.gifWhich of those looks more user friendly?[/citation]
Wich looks better Mac OS or this?
http://www.commodorefree.com/magazine/vol5/images/issue50/amiga_workbench.png
 
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