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[citation][nom]somebodyspecial[/nom]Anyone who says win8 is amazing, is either working for MS or just has no idea how real people use PC's. [/citation]
There was quite a bit wrong with your post, obviously leading everyone here to believe you've never used a computer but I figured I'd only comment on this. If you honestly believe that, you're an idiot. I don't like attacking people personally but your post justifies it.
Just... get off the computer please. Or at least stick to facebook and calling others homosexuals in your clan chat for whatever crappy title you play because you "refuse to pay for games that should be free" because I'm sure you're on of them as well.
There was quite a bit wrong with your post, obviously leading everyone here to believe you've never used a computer but I figured I'd only comment on this. If you honestly believe that, you're an idiot. I don't like attacking people personally but your post justifies it.
Just... get off the computer please. Or at least stick to facebook and calling others homosexuals in your clan chat for whatever crappy title you play because you "refuse to pay for games that should be free" because I'm sure you're on of them as well.
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shadarlo:"Have you even used Windows 8? It is undoubtedly faster than Windows 7 for everyday tasks. It boots FAR faster, it loads programs far faster, it is just a faster experience in everything except gaming. I think you give yourself away as a gamer, not someone who uses windows for work."
Yes, I used it for 3 weeks then promptly removed it and decided not to upgrade my 2 win7 lics at home. LOL at booting faster. In an IT environment my customers complain if they boot more than once a day and since we have them on all day in that environment (we complain if you turn them off at night, we can't update, virus check etc - people complain about vcheck during their workday) the boot comment is hilarious. Since you labeled me a gamer, you must be talking about this in a WORK environment (you're upping to 8 in that?) as your comment says, which is laughable. I think you give yourself away as a MS employee. On SSD's memory tricks/caching are gone, so nothing loads any faster and with company users rarely needing more than 80GB a 120GB SSD's are becoming the norm and don't go down like mechanical drives.
Most enterprise users don't open apps all day anyways. I have 4-7 apps up all day (depending on certain tasks, but usually 5) and I don't keep closing and opening many others. Outlook, Excel, Radmin, browser, Track-it (insert name here, MagicSDE etc). Most enterprise users sub the track-it app/Excel/radmin apps for whatever their main purpose is (access, ProE, Solidworks etc..). I may have more on some days but that's pretty much a days work for most users.
All the pretty crap just gets in the way, and nobody uses touch screens at work. So what does 8 get you besides tech calls asking where the start button is? An SSD for win7 would be a much better purchase even for a home user than a copy of win8. Heck even XP runs super fast on one. I have no use for eye candy that slows me down anyway. Aero is useless and slow to me also. Flip 3d crap? Slow. I'm faster in my taskbar at switching apps and I guarantee I was faster in winxp than win7. I don't get much out of 7 that I didn't already get from XP64/SSD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU
Chris Pirillo's dad (from lockergnome, etc..fame) tries to use win8 for the first time. Can you imagine the pain of having to support this x100-5000 users...LOL. Give me a break. This guy has been on PC's, Macs etc. His dad is no technophobe. LOL "but this is not the final version though right?"...ROFL. Chris is a bit cruel with no helping him, but jeez, he's baffled as most users would be. 4.5 minutes of pain here. The whole vid is much longer but I'll spare most as this shows it all and you can google for the whole vid.
Skip to 4:12 for the funniest line ever in history "who put this out?" Chris Responds "Microsoft"...Dad's response "they trying to drive me to mac?"...ROFL. You can read comments on the monitor on the right as he's trying to figure out how to use it. I think the 2nd monitor is twitter or something can't remember. They have a 1/2hr one for him trying ubuntu & Mac also. Heck there are dozens of confused 1st time win8 vids, but this is a great example of a tech-literate dad having serious issues...LOL. My dad had the same responses (minus the mac jab). He's been using computers since DOS (all versions...I still have 6.22 disks...ROFL). Not sure about your android comment either...I had no issues after about 15 minutes on my dad's nexus 10. I'm assuming chrome will be better by the time it's usable as an OS replacement, or we'll all run to Linux as it gets more popular via gaming and Valve porting games to linux as fast as they can to kill win8
I have many MS certs, but I have NO LOVE for their product even though it's my livelihood. I'd be more than happy to start passing Chrome/Linux certs if the need comes. I have no desire to learn OSX or Win8 (I'm not an apple hater, I owned a //e way back when, but I hate apple's tactics now - thus an apple hater now I guess...LOL).
Yes, I used it for 3 weeks then promptly removed it and decided not to upgrade my 2 win7 lics at home. LOL at booting faster. In an IT environment my customers complain if they boot more than once a day and since we have them on all day in that environment (we complain if you turn them off at night, we can't update, virus check etc - people complain about vcheck during their workday) the boot comment is hilarious. Since you labeled me a gamer, you must be talking about this in a WORK environment (you're upping to 8 in that?) as your comment says, which is laughable. I think you give yourself away as a MS employee. On SSD's memory tricks/caching are gone, so nothing loads any faster and with company users rarely needing more than 80GB a 120GB SSD's are becoming the norm and don't go down like mechanical drives.
Most enterprise users don't open apps all day anyways. I have 4-7 apps up all day (depending on certain tasks, but usually 5) and I don't keep closing and opening many others. Outlook, Excel, Radmin, browser, Track-it (insert name here, MagicSDE etc). Most enterprise users sub the track-it app/Excel/radmin apps for whatever their main purpose is (access, ProE, Solidworks etc..). I may have more on some days but that's pretty much a days work for most users.
All the pretty crap just gets in the way, and nobody uses touch screens at work. So what does 8 get you besides tech calls asking where the start button is? An SSD for win7 would be a much better purchase even for a home user than a copy of win8. Heck even XP runs super fast on one. I have no use for eye candy that slows me down anyway. Aero is useless and slow to me also. Flip 3d crap? Slow. I'm faster in my taskbar at switching apps and I guarantee I was faster in winxp than win7. I don't get much out of 7 that I didn't already get from XP64/SSD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4boTbv9_nU
Chris Pirillo's dad (from lockergnome, etc..fame) tries to use win8 for the first time. Can you imagine the pain of having to support this x100-5000 users...LOL. Give me a break. This guy has been on PC's, Macs etc. His dad is no technophobe. LOL "but this is not the final version though right?"...ROFL. Chris is a bit cruel with no helping him, but jeez, he's baffled as most users would be. 4.5 minutes of pain here. The whole vid is much longer but I'll spare most as this shows it all and you can google for the whole vid.
Skip to 4:12 for the funniest line ever in history "who put this out?" Chris Responds "Microsoft"...Dad's response "they trying to drive me to mac?"...ROFL. You can read comments on the monitor on the right as he's trying to figure out how to use it. I think the 2nd monitor is twitter or something can't remember. They have a 1/2hr one for him trying ubuntu & Mac also. Heck there are dozens of confused 1st time win8 vids, but this is a great example of a tech-literate dad having serious issues...LOL. My dad had the same responses (minus the mac jab). He's been using computers since DOS (all versions...I still have 6.22 disks...ROFL). Not sure about your android comment either...I had no issues after about 15 minutes on my dad's nexus 10. I'm assuming chrome will be better by the time it's usable as an OS replacement, or we'll all run to Linux as it gets more popular via gaming and Valve porting games to linux as fast as they can to kill win8
I have many MS certs, but I have NO LOVE for their product even though it's my livelihood. I'd be more than happy to start passing Chrome/Linux certs if the need comes. I have no desire to learn OSX or Win8 (I'm not an apple hater, I owned a //e way back when, but I hate apple's tactics now - thus an apple hater now I guess...LOL).amdwilliam1985
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[citation][nom]snowzsan[/nom]Honestly, I've been using Windows 8 for the past week and have already decided it time to upgrade all of my PCs, netbook included. Ultimately, it's an amazing operating system. I've found that anyone who complains about Metro Tiles as their number one reason for not wanting Windows 8 (and the lack of a start menu is included in that) is honestly just complaining about aesthetics. It has not hampered productivity at all, I still get stuff done just as fast(if not faster!) than I did before, granted it took a week to get the thing down, and even still I'm learning different features.Google's lack of "dedicated apps" hinders nothing on my agenda. Chrome still runs and that's fine by me. It's a good back up browser as IE10 is just as amazing as the OS it comes packaged with.Overall, for $40, if you're not buying Windows 8, I believe you'll end up regretting not buying it while it was this cheap. As for this "Windows Store" garbage I keep hearing... You're honestly retarded if this is what you believe to be the "major evil" Microsoft is committing.I honestly wish people here would stop reading reviews from idiots and just try the damned thing yourself.[/citation]
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Same here, I love the metro menu or whatever they're calling it now. So much more useful than the old start menu 😉
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Same here, I love the metro menu or whatever they're calling it now. So much more useful than the old start menu 😉
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Sorry snowzsan, I don't play online games (very rare anyway), and I have no facebook/twitter/linkdin etc account. I have no use for such crap and hope those sites die right along with win8 On top of that jobs I interview for don't hire if you have one...ROFL. Yeah, they actually ask more often than not.
I don't see EVERYONE here responding my post was crap. It's sales figures and the RT sales don't lie. I'm not alone hating win8 and just because I do does not mean I haven't used it. It baffles me when someone says they dislike win8 MS employees start claiming you've never used it if you think that...ROFL. So Dell/HP etc saying it's slowing sales are just dumb too eh? No, customers don't want to buy anything with win8 involved. 20% sales off means a heck of a lot of people agree with me. Win 8 won't get 10% of enterprise, just like vista. Nuff said? Those numbers don't lie. It's a support nightmare. I've USED IT. and pray I never have to support it or use it again.
It's funny you said there's a lot wrong with my post but say nothing about it. Just an attack on me personally with ridiculous comments regarding my intelligence, games you THINK I play, useless websites and homosexuals. Nice. I have a 133 IQ BTW (well, 131-135 depending on the test) but I don't think that's really relevant based on the level of hate towards win8 being ubiquitous all around. Note quite sure where your game comment came from or what games I play have to do with this. I made comments that are well proved by many (and sales figures). Your attacks on me have no basis and tell me you need to look in the mirror more often.
On top of that jobs I interview for don't hire if you have one...ROFL. Yeah, they actually ask more often than not.I don't see EVERYONE here responding my post was crap. It's sales figures and the RT sales don't lie. I'm not alone hating win8 and just because I do does not mean I haven't used it. It baffles me when someone says they dislike win8 MS employees start claiming you've never used it if you think that...ROFL. So Dell/HP etc saying it's slowing sales are just dumb too eh? No, customers don't want to buy anything with win8 involved. 20% sales off means a heck of a lot of people agree with me. Win 8 won't get 10% of enterprise, just like vista. Nuff said? Those numbers don't lie. It's a support nightmare. I've USED IT. and pray I never have to support it or use it again.
It's funny you said there's a lot wrong with my post but say nothing about it. Just an attack on me personally with ridiculous comments regarding my intelligence, games you THINK I play, useless websites and homosexuals. Nice. I have a 133 IQ BTW (well, 131-135 depending on the test) but I don't think that's really relevant based on the level of hate towards win8 being ubiquitous all around. Note quite sure where your game comment came from or what games I play have to do with this. I made comments that are well proved by many (and sales figures). Your attacks on me have no basis and tell me you need to look in the mirror more often.
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I'm not quite sure you know how to use win7 then (or XP). My top 20 apps used are pinned to my start menu, that's one click to start, then another for the app. NO SCROLLING ever.
Another 15 or so are below that that are randomly used. I haven't clicked an app on the "PROGRAMS" menu in EITHER win7 or XP since they came out. Even easier I have my entire desktop available with one click from the taskbar if needed. ONE click, I see the whole deskop in a vertical menu. Are you unaware of any of these ways to use win7? You could do the same in XP. Jeez, a simple rightclick of the taskbar in win7, Toolbars, DESKTOP, turns this on. You didn't learn the last 2 OS's (or you wouldn't tell me all those clicks), so how can you comment on me not using the new one? Too difficult to use the search box on the start menu? A few letters in and it gives you your program (slow, but effective if you don't know where your app, doc or whatever is). All of these ways are quicker for me save the last. You can even create your own toolbars from that same menu for people with super OCD or organizing fanatics. Jeez. :lol: I have certs on both WinXP and 7 (and server certs, network+,a+ etc), and used 8 long enough to know I don't believe I'll have to get certified on it as no IT dept worth their salt would upgrade to it. But that didn't stop me from watching Win8 Essentials from Lynda while getting familiar with 8. I still think it sucks and its sales (and companies like HP/Dell complaining about lack of sales) tells me I'm right. I thought the same thing about Vista and never got a cert for it. It never reached 10% of enterprise, and Win8 won't either. Windows 9 is now expected next year...ROFL. This is a Vista/Win7 moment if I ever saw one but even faster. They at least waited 2.6-2.7yrs for Win7. That won't be the case from 8 to 9. Surface Pro is being pushed up too as RT is sucking wind. Surface might have made a bigger splash if they'd have released it everywhere (not just microsoft's own stores, only now adding bestbuy/staples) and included the Tegra3+ as an option for the same price (why did they use the 1.3ghz when they could have had 1.7ghz?). But they didn't so they're now cutting production in half and pushing up PRO release date with Intel/x86. That however, will fail too as it will be competing with Tegra4/Exynos 6 products shortly after it arrives. It's saving grace is x86, but why buy that when you can get a win7 tablet cheaper anyway with more power. $700-900 for a Surface PRO? I just picked out a quadcore HP for my sister a few months ago (I5) with basically the same battery life and 17in, 8GB, 750GB HD, NV650 etc for $850. Total failure and because of MS pricing in this case.
I suggest you sign up for Lynda.com or totaltraining.com and learn how to actually use your computer. For as little as $30/25 per mo. from either you get unlimited viewing per month for ALL their courses (photoshop/dreamweaver/office2010 etc...tons of stuff to learn for that cost). Both will teach you the things I'm talking about here (user interface etc from an END-USER perspective for your OS). IF you want to go further and get your cert and learn the OS for REAL look into some $200-500 course like I purchase for everything I need to keep up in IT. Trainsignal & Testout (cheap best, and expensive best IMHO) or CBT Nuggets/Learnsmart/K.Alliance covers the rest depends on which teachers you like. I own the first three just for win7 alone...LOL. The combos I have for all of 2008 is even deeper (with a bunch of preplogic/transcender tests for all that's needed to finish my MCITPEA). I'm just gearing up for 2012 purchases but it's not all out yet. Nuggets has a jump on everyone but I'd rather wait out testout/trainsignal for that suite in a pack. It boggles my mind, that people like you even comment to people like me, when clearly you have no idea how to use the last OS. The lynda course for win7 (or even now 8, just came out less than 5hrs) is only about 10hrs. I know because I checked out converting it for my parents for the roku (unfortunately roku doesn't support flash or .mov unless streaming from playon/VLC/plex - which works BTW in all 3 cases).
I submit YOUR opinion is totally uninformed NOT MINE. The only thing that actually seems to get better in each version is rollout (opinions vary), but if I don't want to support what I'd be rolling out what's the point? Win7 has so many deployment options they have a cert just for that (70-681) but not many use it this deep therefore most choose 70-680/685 over 680/681 combo and a lot of these features just get ignored. I'm just guessing saying this part may be better, as I didn't have to get that far before I drew my conclusions and removed win8.
Can you back your opinion with anything besides statements that show your ignorance regarding the last OS? What in my statements was "UNTRUE"? From your statements about how to use win7 you don't know how to use it, nor have you ever had to support ANY OS. On the other hand, IT'S MY JOB to know & support whatever my company does. I'm in IT for Christ's sake. I OWNED a PC business for 8yrs. I'm pretty sure my opinion is very informed even if I'm BAD at my job...LOL. Can I get win8 workable? Yeah, but what for? The only reason I LEARN something new on a PC is it's going to be BETTER or significantly faster than what I already had. I have to buy new hardware to make 8 faster than 7...LOL. Win8 is NOT faster than 7 . Boot times & shutdown mean nothing...A good OS doesn't need this for weeks or months! I haven't rebooted my PC is over a month & that was for UPDATES (same when I used xp64 mostly)! Patch tuesday...LOL. I ignore everything between then and do these once a month across all my family's pc's. My PC's run all day 24x7x365 also. The only time they stop is if I rebuild or they reboot for updates. Playon/Plex force this if your a streamer and I have a business line so I can run a server all I want on cox. What are you doing doing that causes you to even notice a boot time? Still not running an SSD for your boot drive (M4 128GB goes for $80 these days on sale, S830 also)?
Argue with someone who actually doesn't know what they're doing...ROFL. I've got a great Jeff Dunham show for you... 
I digress...[citation][nom]snowzsan[/nom]Honestly, I've been using Windows 8 for the past week and have already decided it time to upgrade all of my PCs, netbook included. Ultimately, it's an amazing operating system. I've found that anyone who complains about Metro Tiles as their number one reason for not wanting Windows 8 (and the lack of a start menu is included in that) is honestly just complaining about aesthetics. It has not hampered productivity at all, I still get stuff done just as fast(if not faster!) than I did before, granted it took a week to get the thing down, and even still I'm learning different features.Google's lack of "dedicated apps" hinders nothing on my agenda. Chrome still runs and that's fine by me. It's a good back up browser as IE10 is just as amazing as the OS it comes packaged with.Overall, for $40, if you're not buying Windows 8, I believe you'll end up regretting not buying it while it was this cheap. As for this "Windows Store" garbage I keep hearing... You're honestly retarded if this is what you believe to be the "major evil" Microsoft is committing.I honestly wish people here would stop reading reviews from idiots and just try the damned thing yourself.[/citation]
>Ultimately, it's an amazing operating system.
What's so amazing compared to other OSes, or even Windows 7? There's no new feature in Win8 outside of Metro that wasn't present in other operating systems, particularly Linux, more than two years ago. Win8 is a catch-up release that also aims to lay the foundation to (forcibly) merge MS' desktop and mobile platforms. Nothing awe-inspiring there.
>just complaining about aesthetics
Does that include the Phd. user interface specialists? Is not being able to overlap windows "aesthetics"? Is every Metro app launching at full screen size, even if it only displays a few lines of text, "aesthetics"?
It is a mobile, touch-oriented OS on a non-touch (usually) desktop. That's not "aesthetics", that's fundamental usability issues.
>granted it took a week to get the thing down, and even still I'm learning different features.
Sigh... no, no you're not. You're being forcibly trained to learn the UI found on Microsoft's tablets and phones in the hopes you'll buy one to avoid having to learn another UI the next time you're in the market for a device. This is fact. Even the NY Times ran a piece about Sinofsky debating Ballmer about making Metro mandatory on Win8 and Sinofsky arguing that it was the only way they would be able to get a toehold in the mobile market. You're part of a forced training program, and you're asking "Thank you sir, may I please have another?" :-(
> It's a good back up browser as IE10 is just as amazing as the OS it comes packaged with.
Wow, this goes beyond Stockholm Syndrome...
>As for this "Windows Store" garbage I keep hearing... You're honestly retarded if this is what you
>believe to be the "major evil" Microsoft is committing.I honestly wish people here would stop reading
>reviews from idiots and just try the damned thing yourself.
The "garbage" you keep hearing is that the OS is now locked down like a smart phone. If pointing this out makes one "retarded" (you really don't have any rebuttal, do you?) then I join the proudly retarded ranks of Gabe Newell, Blizzard and the creator of Minecraft. That's nice company. If you want Microsoft to control everything you put on your PC - and it certainly sounds like you do! - have at it. The rest of us like to believe we own our own computers, thank you very much, and aren't going to let Microsoft dictate what we do with it. Have fun with "Windows Blue" when every Metro developer will be compelled to target WinPhone and Surface (despite lousy market share) or be kicked out of the Windows store. Do you understand what the anti-capitalist concept of "leveraging one monopoly to create another" is? MS is attempting to exploit its monopoly desktop position to artificially force app development onto its mobile platforms and boost its app library, while any non-monopoly would see minimal app development with those ownership numbers. That's not good for the consumer.
>I honestly wish people here would stop reading reviews from idiots and just try the damned thing
>yourself.
You do recognize the whole purpose of this website, why people come here, is to read reviews of products before purchase, right? I think your plea to "stop reading reviews" will fall on deaf ears. Naturally I assume that your definition of "idiot" is anyone who doesn't praise anything Microsoft did with Windows 8 and your rebuttal of Windows Store lock-in being merely to call other people "retarded" establishes your credentials in judging who "idiots" are. Finally, people aren't going to just go out and buy the thing to see if they like it; they'll be out their money if they don't. And if they don't like it, you'll just consider them "idiots" anyway.
>Ultimately, it's an amazing operating system.
What's so amazing compared to other OSes, or even Windows 7? There's no new feature in Win8 outside of Metro that wasn't present in other operating systems, particularly Linux, more than two years ago. Win8 is a catch-up release that also aims to lay the foundation to (forcibly) merge MS' desktop and mobile platforms. Nothing awe-inspiring there.
>just complaining about aesthetics
Does that include the Phd. user interface specialists? Is not being able to overlap windows "aesthetics"? Is every Metro app launching at full screen size, even if it only displays a few lines of text, "aesthetics"?
It is a mobile, touch-oriented OS on a non-touch (usually) desktop. That's not "aesthetics", that's fundamental usability issues.
>granted it took a week to get the thing down, and even still I'm learning different features.
Sigh... no, no you're not. You're being forcibly trained to learn the UI found on Microsoft's tablets and phones in the hopes you'll buy one to avoid having to learn another UI the next time you're in the market for a device. This is fact. Even the NY Times ran a piece about Sinofsky debating Ballmer about making Metro mandatory on Win8 and Sinofsky arguing that it was the only way they would be able to get a toehold in the mobile market. You're part of a forced training program, and you're asking "Thank you sir, may I please have another?" :-(
> It's a good back up browser as IE10 is just as amazing as the OS it comes packaged with.
Wow, this goes beyond Stockholm Syndrome...
>As for this "Windows Store" garbage I keep hearing... You're honestly retarded if this is what you
>believe to be the "major evil" Microsoft is committing.I honestly wish people here would stop reading
>reviews from idiots and just try the damned thing yourself.
The "garbage" you keep hearing is that the OS is now locked down like a smart phone. If pointing this out makes one "retarded" (you really don't have any rebuttal, do you?) then I join the proudly retarded ranks of Gabe Newell, Blizzard and the creator of Minecraft. That's nice company. If you want Microsoft to control everything you put on your PC - and it certainly sounds like you do! - have at it. The rest of us like to believe we own our own computers, thank you very much, and aren't going to let Microsoft dictate what we do with it. Have fun with "Windows Blue" when every Metro developer will be compelled to target WinPhone and Surface (despite lousy market share) or be kicked out of the Windows store. Do you understand what the anti-capitalist concept of "leveraging one monopoly to create another" is? MS is attempting to exploit its monopoly desktop position to artificially force app development onto its mobile platforms and boost its app library, while any non-monopoly would see minimal app development with those ownership numbers. That's not good for the consumer.
>I honestly wish people here would stop reading reviews from idiots and just try the damned thing
>yourself.
You do recognize the whole purpose of this website, why people come here, is to read reviews of products before purchase, right? I think your plea to "stop reading reviews" will fall on deaf ears. Naturally I assume that your definition of "idiot" is anyone who doesn't praise anything Microsoft did with Windows 8 and your rebuttal of Windows Store lock-in being merely to call other people "retarded" establishes your credentials in judging who "idiots" are. Finally, people aren't going to just go out and buy the thing to see if they like it; they'll be out their money if they don't. And if they don't like it, you'll just consider them "idiots" anyway.
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