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AMD will not go back to Saxony, for good reason.
Im even wondering why they ever went to Saxony. Germany is like the worst place to have anything business-related in right now, but eastern Germany totally tops it :lol: Heck, Saxons dont even speak English (in fact, they even cant speak German)!
 
The most truthful thing we have heard from you yet. :roll:
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Why would you spread garbage like that? Insulting people by saying they purposely lie is low.

It's also kinda gay coach.

But the fact remaisn that Saxony is lookign to get more for their manufacturing infrastructure.
 
Maybe AMD could ask North Korea to build a few underground fabs there. They should be able to build them quickly with their advanced technological processes.
 
AMD will not go back to Saxony, for good reason.
Im even wondering why they ever went to Saxony. Germany is like the worst place to have anything business-related in right now, but eastern Germany totally tops it :lol: Heck, Saxons dont even speak English (in fact, they even cant speak German)!
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But Dresden been berry berry good to AMD. I'm sure they wouldn't turn down a few billion for a fab.
 
The most truthful thing we have heard from you yet. :roll:
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Why would you spread garbage like that? Insulting people by saying they purposely lie is low.

It's also kinda gay coach.

But the fact remaisn that Saxony is lookign to get more for their manufacturing infrastructure.

I know you do not lie, you just skew the truth and put your own spin on in it and try to sell it to everyone as fact. :roll:


No I don't. I preface my statements to make it clear that I am speculating and if I'm not sure I say that also.

Besides, that's the same thing and even gayer coach.
 
The most truthful thing we have heard from you yet. :roll:
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Why would you spread garbage like that? Insulting people by saying they purposely lie is low.

It's also kinda gay coach.

But the fact remaisn that Saxony is lookign to get more for their manufacturing infrastructure.

I know you do not lie, you just skew the truth and put your own spin on in it and try to sell it to everyone as fact. :roll:


No I don't. I preface my statements to make it clear that I am speculating and if I'm not sure I say that also.

Besides, that's the same thing and even gayer coach.Baron.....fess-up...you got a thing going with a gay coach? :?
 
AMD will not go back to Saxony, for good reason.
Im even wondering why they ever went to Saxony. Germany is like the worst place to have anything business-related in right now, but eastern Germany totally tops it :lol: Heck, Saxons dont even speak English (in fact, they even cant speak German)!
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While i agree about the language i conclude that you seem to lack even the slightest understanding of economics. For a company that is loosing money or that invests heavily Germany is a decent choice. The region is stable, has a good infrastructure, qualified workers and the government won´t even really tax a company writing red numbers. The unions and the laws regarding employment are quite outdated - Germany almost resembles a socialist state if you look at that and most market liberal movements are crushed by conservative worker unions. Yet, most of the problematic side effects can be circumvented. Just take a looks at Siemens and Benq - if AMD needs to get rid of something it can be done and it works like a charm.
 
Baron - "Stop Loss"... learn it, embrace it... maybe then you'll stop grasping a straws.
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As if I care. I don't grasp for anything but booties. That's one of those Wall St terms. ooooooh, aren't you te kowledgeable one.


NOT!

Are you long AMD stock??? I assumed yes by your support of the company. Maybe you're an employee?

In any event, I plan on going long if it hits $5 ish... I don't have the stomach to short at a 52 week low.
 
Baron - "Stop Loss"... learn it, embrace it... maybe then you'll stop grasping a straws.
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As if I care. I don't grasp for anything but booties. That's one of those Wall St terms. ooooooh, aren't you te kowledgeable one.


NOT!

Are you long AMD stock??? I assumed yes by your support of the company. Maybe you're an employee?

In any event, I plan on going long if it hits $5 ish... I don't have the stomach to short at a 52 week low.


Neither, I just admire their business model and their guts. It takes balls of steel to do what AMD has done in the last year. Not that I think any of it was "bad." I just think they will come through. The thing about stocks is that they can go up s fast as they go down and vice versa.

Last year's $42 should be evidence.
 
When there are two (NY State and Saxony) that qualifies as plural. Maybe we should call Austin and tell them to refinance Fab25.
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Fab25 is no longer owned by AMD.... it is it's own company now, kicked off like a dirty boot and left to themselves -- sink or swim.


I guess it was those bad decisions again - like bothering to fulfill the tenets of the free market and contractual obligations.


ALL HAIL THE MONOPOLY?????

No, it wasn't a bad decision at the time.... flash hung around their kneck like a dead albatross, spinning them off temporarily turned them into a money maker. It was the best thing Hector did....


Yeah, Intel just LOVES an unfair price war.


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Maybe I should a price war where they have the market share advantage.

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wow, thats amazing, i did not even know intel was in a price war, when did they lower there prices? I know amd have droped them several times but i am shocked to hear that intel has done this also 8O 8O
 
AMD might want to stay away from such a deal because labor laws in Germany (and France, by the way) are biased in favor of the employees and unions. For example it's extremely difficult to fire somebody, even for good cause.
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You say that as if it's a bad thing. More labor laws should be biased in favor of the employees if you ask me. We might have less slave labor across the planet and more even playing field. Why should they favor the employers?

But I digress.........
 
wow, thats amazing, i did not even know intel was in a price war, when did they lower there prices? I know amd have droped them several times but i am shocked to hear that intel has done this also
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Intel started the price war by undercutting all of their processors with a $183 E6300. There is not one PD faster than E6300, much less X6800.
 
wow, thats amazing, i did not even know intel was in a price war, when did they lower there prices? I know amd have droped them several times but i am shocked to hear that intel has done this also
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Intel started the price war by undercutting all of their processors with a $183 E6300. There is not one PD faster than E6300, much less X6800.

And they haven't cut the prices since release. What's your point? You're beating a dead horse with very weak stick. Let it go. The only one who seems to give a rip about Intel's pricing is you...cry more.

I'm happy it's forced AMD to drop their prices - if I can get an x2 4600 65w for my HTPC for <$100 after the April 9th price cuts then I'll be the first in line to get one, I'm big on price/performance and for that price, it's worth it... As to the "price war" if AMD can't handle the increased pressure then they need to rethink how they're getting things done...
 
wow, thats amazing, i did not even know intel was in a price war, when did they lower there prices? I know amd have droped them several times but i am shocked to hear that intel has done this also
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Intel started the price war by undercutting all of their processors with a $183 E6300. There is not one PD faster than E6300, much less X6800.

And they haven't cut the prices since release. What's your point? You're beating a dead horse with very weak stick. Let it go. The only one who seems to give a rip about Intel's pricing is you...cry more.

I'm happy it's forced AMD to drop their prices - if I can get an x2 4600 65w for my HTPC for <$100 after the April 9th price cuts then I'll be the first in line to get one, I'm big on price/performance and for that price, it's worth it... As to the "price war" if AMD can't handle the increased pressure then they need to rethink how they're getting things done...


You guys are amazing. I amnot so cheap and shallow that I won't buy the slower clocked, cheaper chip rather than hope that the bottom fals out of the market.

I guess because Rahul Sood, who agrees with me by the way, sells expensive PCs, his reasoning for not wanting commoditization is greed.

It's OK, because this is all causing Intel to make less money than it did before. They are back to 2004 levels now and THE BLEEDING WILL CONTINUE.

What happens if this all goes bad and prices rocket up to 4x what they are? Will it stil have been worth it when then your upgrade turns out to be more than it would have been without fire sale Core 2 prices.


I just find it funny that you think some magical phrase will change my mind.

From 8MM starring Nicholas Cage and Joacquin Phoenix:

"When you dance with the Devil, the Devil doesn'tchange the Devil changes you."

This seems like the problem the Brood is having.....and I even quit my job as the Devil.
 
Hey I found a pic of baron, well his alter ego anyway. King Friday of the land of make believe. :lol:

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Don't worry, I'll post more. If it's there I will post it.

And if there isnt, you will make it up as you go along, just like this topic
 
Baron - "Stop Loss"... learn it, embrace it... maybe then you'll stop grasping a straws.
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As if I care. I don't grasp for anything but booties. That's one of those Wall St terms. ooooooh, aren't you te kowledgeable one.


NOT!

Are you long AMD stock??? I assumed yes by your support of the company. Maybe you're an employee?

In any event, I plan on going long if it hits $5 ish... I don't have the stomach to short at a 52 week low.


Neither, I just admire their business model and their guts. It takes balls of steel to do what AMD has done in the last year. Not that I think any of it was "bad." I just think they will come through. The thing about stocks is that they can go up s fast as they go down and vice versa.

Last year's $42 should be evidence.

Yes, just as you persist on digging up netburst to compare to current products, you will continue to live in the past with AMDs old stockprices, and blame analysts for current stock prices rather than the dismally underperforming QFX, channel suppy shorts, ludicrous PR, overinflated prices of 1 year ago, and lack of preparedness to deal with competition etc, which are the real problems.

AMDs stocks are peforming poorly not because of the excuses you have provided, but because proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance and AMD failed to properly plan beyond K8 until they recieved the same kick in the arse from Intel that they themselves had given Intel 3 years ago. None of your excuse making can change that
 
Yeah, Intel just LOVES an unfair price war.

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Maybe I should a price war where they have the market share advantage.
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Unfair?

I believe in totalitarianism, where the strongest runs things and everyone else just obeys.
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Sounds like the totalitarianism you espoused above. Contradiction?
 
AMDs stocks are peforming poorly not because of the excuses you have provided, but because proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance and AMD failed to properly plan beyond K8 until they recieved the same kick in the arse from Intel that they themselves had given Intel 3 years ago. None of your excuse making can change that
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Precisely.... AMD enjoyed a bit of momentum, and the rapidness of the success pushed them to make poor decisions and underestimate the magnitude of Intel's response, my opnion anyway.

In purchasing ATI, they would have been better initiating the acquisition at least a year earlier and not at a time when thier percieved valuation was on the skids.... couple that with commited capital for capacity expansion, and they have written checks they can't cash.

Yup, I forgot who else it was, but you and he nailed it in another thread, whether for platforming (not AMDs marketing teams 'platformance' :roll: ) of for the fusion (though I still dont like some of the possibilities it portends) purchasing ATI was a smart move for AMD.....several years ago. As you both pointed out, the timing of the actual purchase sucked. Now they have to deal with it.
 
Yeah, Intel just LOVES an unfair price war.

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Maybe I should a price war where they have the market share advantage.
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Unfair?

I believe in totalitarianism, where the strongest runs things and everyone else just obeys.
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Sounds like the totalitarianism you espoused above. Contradiction?

When you're the strongest unfair only enters into the equation when you abuse your position.

Sounds like the CPU market to me.
 
wow, thats amazing, i did not even know intel was in a price war, when did they lower there prices? I know amd have droped them several times but i am shocked to hear that intel has done this also
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Intel started the price war by undercutting all of their processors with a $183 E6300. There is not one PD faster than E6300, much less X6800.

Baron,

Intel simply responded as any company under competitive pressure would respond.

The microelectronics industry, and MPUs specifically, has grown to be a significant portion of this country's (and the world's) GNP, as such Intel grew with it as demand increased and AMD in the past failed to generate the necessary revenue to keep up. This, of course, leads to the behemoth we have today in Intel and the cost of manufacturing has grown such that it hinges on economy of scale. To support the current business for Intel, the key for them is volume.... to return on investment for their stockholders is also hinged upon volume.

As AMD provided evidence and built credibility of a serious supplier with a better product, the natural tendency is for the market to begin buying their product.... this is what AMD did with K8. As you point out, Intel lost market share and sales to AMD, it is unreasonable, as a competitor, for them to not respond as their scale demands a certain portion of the market.

So releasing a better product than your competitor and pricing it attractively to regain lost customers is not only natural, but it is absolutely critical if Intel wishes to maintain a profitable business.

In a round about way, AMD started this price war by rising to challenge Intel.

From an AMD perspective, and I know he is not your favorite, Ed of Overclockers had it right.... AMD needs to get big or fade away as the cost of bringing new product to market is getting prohibitive. Even AMD's on financial CEO stated, there is no business model that allows them to be a niche' player. AMD is right about this, they must get big, with large volumes so they can leverage postive cash flow to develop new products, otherwise they will simply fade away.

What you are witnessing between Intel and AMD on a more global scale is AMD's need to get big and Intel's need to stay big.... hopefully in making this attempt no one actually dies (figuratively speaking).

Jack

Yeah , and the thingamajig connects to the wigamabob and enables advanced thermolajigging in cases of high kilamajabbies.
 
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